Russian Federation Council Agrees to Putin's Request for military intervention in Crimea

crazyewok

Xcathdra

Ironic... The KGB is once again overseeing the collapse of Russia.

edit on 1-3-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

How you figure that one out?

You think after a war with Russia the USA and EU will come out smelling of roses? And in one piece?

This excellent comment deserves 10 Stars * * * * * * * * * *

theabsolutetruth
Reneging such deals and taking an EU / US /NATO deal could also have caused Russia limiting Oil and gas supply to Ukraine and to other places via Ukraine. Russia provides a third of EU gas and 12% of world oil.

Using Putin's logic, this would allow the EU / West to invade Russia in order to secure sources in order to protect EU / Western national security in regards to energy / security.

victor7
You are correct, we are seeing the collapse of Russia as a nation................only that rebirth of USSR is also taking place.

Lol.. The only way for the USSR to be reborn would be for Russia to invade the former Republics. Are you saying you are in favor of Russia's "rebirth", even if it means subjugation of people who have no desire to be a part of the USSR again?

If so, explain Ukraine and Crimea with Russian interference please.

Xcathdra

theabsolutetruth
Reneging such deals and taking an EU / US /NATO deal could also have caused Russia limiting Oil and gas supply to Ukraine and to other places via Ukraine. Russia provides a third of EU gas and 12% of world oil.

Using Putin's logic, this would allow the EU / West to invade Russia in order to secure sources in order to protect EU / Western national security in regards to energy / security.

Which reminds me: all the EU needs to do is stop buying natural gas from Russia. That would cut off the country's revenue stream and there would be a popular upheaval as the economy seizes up. What the heck is Putin thinking?

victor7

crazyewok

Xcathdra

Ironic... The KGB is once again overseeing the collapse of Russia.

edit on 1-3-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

How you figure that one out?

You think after a war with Russia the USA and EU will come out smelling of roses? And in one piece?

This excellent comment deserves 10 Stars * * * * * * * * * *

edit on 1-3-2014 by victor7 because: (no reason given)

Thank you.

Some tards on ATS just dont seem to realize the possible consequences for starting WW3!

Everrything need to be done and tried before starting a war that may mean the end of us. And I mean everything.

WW3 should not be jumped into on a whim!

This chest beating pro war fools I don t think have the brain cells to grasp that WW3 wont be fought 1000's of miles away in some desert like Iraq et al But that missles, maybe Nulcear could very well be falling on there towns and citys killing there own familiys!

Xcathdra

victor7
You are correct, we are seeing the collapse of Russia as a nation................only that rebirth of USSR is also taking place.

Lol.. The only way for the USSR to be reborn would be for Russia to invade the former Republics. Are you saying you are in favor of Russia's "rebirth", even if it means subjugation of people who have no desire to be a part of the USSR again?

If so, explain Ukraine and Crimea with Russian interference please.

edit on 1-3-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

Good reply !!
Countries like Belarus, Khazakastan, Armenia, 1-2 other republics will want to join a new UNION........right at the first call. Russia need not attack or subjugade any other nation. Even Serbia would be more than happy to join the UNION.

Think of this, What "MAASSSIVVEE" economic power will be generated if Russian Union, China, India join in to make free economic zone even on one or two dozen selected goods/industries that offer competitive advantages.

DJW001

Xcathdra

theabsolutetruth
Reneging such deals and taking an EU / US /NATO deal could also have caused Russia limiting Oil and gas supply to Ukraine and to other places via Ukraine. Russia provides a third of EU gas and 12% of world oil.

Using Putin's logic, this would allow the EU / West to invade Russia in order to secure sources in order to protect EU / Western national security in regards to energy / security.

Which reminds me: all the EU needs to do is stop buying natural gas from Russia. That would cut off the country's revenue stream and there would be a popular upheaval as the economy seizes up. What the heck is Putin thinking?

He's not and that is the problem. This goes beyond Crimea... Putin is setting up his expanded term as the leader of Russia. He is not going to go quietly, if at all, when his term is up. He is former KGB and child of the cold war. He is clueless in how to act in a post USSR world and its very evident in his actions and justifications.

I still think the west should support Chechnya / Dagestan. They are being oppressed by the Russian government and should be allowed to have a vote for independence from Russia.

crazyewok

victor7

crazyewok

Xcathdra

Ironic... The KGB is once again overseeing the collapse of Russia.

edit on 1-3-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

How you figure that one out?

You think after a war with Russia the USA and EU will come out smelling of roses? And in one piece?

This excellent comment deserves 10 Stars * * * * * * * * * *

edit on 1-3-2014 by victor7 because: (no reason given)

Thank you.

Some tards on ATS just dont seem to realize the possible consequences for starting WW3!

Everrything need to be done and tried before starting a war that may mean the end of us. And I mean everything.

WW3 should not be jumped into on a whim!

This chest beating pro war fools I don t think have the brain cells to grasp that WW3 wont be fought 1000's of miles away in some desert like Iraq et al But that missles, maybe Nulcear could very well be falling on there towns and citys killing there own familiys!

edit on 1-3-2014 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)

Heck, I do not even like if my car breaks down in winter or internet is out for few hours. War brings 1000x bigger mess !!!

reply to post by victor7


lol.. Apparently you and Putin need a dictionary..

(yūn'yən) pronunciation
n.1.a. The act of uniting or the state of being united.
b. A combination so formed, especially an alliance or confederation of people, parties, or political entities for mutual interest or benefit.

The word you are confusing Union with is Occupation -

a. The act or process of holding or possessing a place.

b. The state of being held or possessed.

3.
a. Invasion, conquest, and control of a nation or territory by foreign armed forces.

b. The military government exercising control over an occupied nation or territory.

Its good to know your willing to invade countries who have no desire to be another member of the USSR. Those people are not going to go quietly when Putin tries to institute the 4th Reich.

reply to post by Xcathdra


That sounds like anti Russian propaganda more than anything.

''using Putin's logic'' etc is just name calling.

The thread is about news, not goading, this is not a kids playground, nor an excuse for venting hatred against Russia or anywhere else.

It has been reported that Putin asked for NON ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE in calls to the UK and Germany.

Besides it isn't as if the US hasn't been accused of unnecessary warmongering before is it. Glass houses, pot kettle etc.

www.independent.ie...

Russia's Putin tells EU leaders there must be no escalation of Ukraine violence

MOSCOW, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said there must be no further escalation of violence in Ukraine in phone calls with the leaders of Britain and Germany and the president of the European Council, the Kremlin said on Friday.

Xcathdra
reply to post by victor7

 

Its good to know your willing to invade countries who have no desire to be another member of the USSR. Those people are not going to go quietly when Putin tries to institute the 4th Reich.

Hey Man! are you a MORON or something???????

Did you not read the new UNION will be formed i.e. by invitation.................an invitation that many ex-Republics are giving themselves. No one is attacking nothing. All the countries in CSTO will form the Union right away and willingly.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Here is a report of ex USSR states and how they feel about being part of the USSR. Whilst it might not be the best place in the world in many ways, a lot of places would perhaps prefer being part of a USSR than their current situation and many feel ethnically Russian.

www.theguardian.com...#


www.gallup.com...

reply to post by victor7


Putin is to Crimea as Kennedy is to Cuba. Many Ruskies would have nonstop nervous twitching if a missile shield ever went up in the Ukraine. This is a Bear you don't want to wake. This is one of those events in which the greater peace requires we all just look the other way. Russia needs her security the same as we do.

theabsolutetruth
That sounds like anti Russian propaganda more than anything.

''using Putin's logic'' etc is just name calling.

Not at all.. Putin has made statements on the reason or Russia invading a sovereign nation. the logic he used is not logical at all. If anything, its an excuse in an effort to try and justify their illegal actions towards Ukraine. Ignoring that is problematic.

theabsolutetruth
The thread is about news, not goading, this is not a kids playground, nor an excuse for venting hatred against Russia or anywhere else.

So its for those who support Russia regardless? Sorry, I don't support Russian actions, I support Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity and will speak to those points, regardless if people like the info or not.

theabsolutetruth
It has been reported that Putin asked for NON ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE in calls to the UK and Germany.

While at the same time deploying close to 12k troops into the Crimea region. Putin is the one who can prevent violence. It would require him removing his troops from sovereign territory.

Secondly, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and as such is within their rights to defend against a Russian invasion. They are also within their rights to ask for assistance in that task, as they did by formally asking NATO for assistance in securing their territorial integrity.

Is there any reason you are ignoring Ukrainian sovereignty in your push to defend putin?

theabsolutetruth
Besides it isn't as if the US hasn't been accused of unnecessary warmongering before is it. Glass houses, pot kettle etc.

So apparently its ok for you to USA hate monger lol?
Had Russia not invaded Ukraine I would say you can claim the moral highground for that argument. Sine Russia did invade, they no longer get to lecture the US on actions, and it paves the way for reciprocal actions by the west.. Again, justified by using Putin's logic.

theabsolutetruth
Russia's Putin tells EU leaders there must be no escalation of Ukraine violence

Then putin should withdraw his invasion force from soverign Ukrainian territory.

theabsolutetruth
MOSCOW, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said there must be no further escalation of violence in Ukraine in phone calls with the leaders of Britain and Germany and the president of the European Council, the Kremlin said on Friday.

then withdraw Russian invasion forces and comply with Ukrainian requests.

Donkey_Dean
reply to post by victor7

 

Putin is to Crimea as Kennedy is to Cuba. Many Ruskies would have nonstop nervous twitching if a missile shield ever went up in the Ukraine. This is a Bear you don't want to wake.

There is no land based missile defense program. That has shifted to naval units for the United States. Since the Black Sea is international waters the Us navy can deploy vessels to the area, just as Russia / China can around US territorial waters.

If you guys are going to try and blame a US program for justification, maybe people should be familiar with it first.

reply to post by theabsolutetruth


Uhm, you need to read your source. That article is not about how countries that were once part of the USSR feel about the USSR. Its a report on how those countries, now independent, have faired outside of communist controlled USSR.

Secondly, its not voluntarily joining, as another poster put it, when the country is invaded / occupied.

The people in the former republics are not going to allow Russia to revert the area back to the USSR, or any form of it.

Those independent nations have a right to choose who they do business with, and who they ally with.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Straw man arguments and presumptions.

I never even gave my opinion of Putin or the situation, only reports and facts.

Your posts look like name calling and accusations of taking sides and defending Putin just because of criticising your tone and obvious hatred on a news thread, is offensive.

Also Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine, it was asked for assistance in Crimea and gave that assistance, it has military leases there and a long history of ties to the area.

Unlike the US that doesn't, nor does the EU so all the blustering should be kept down and first let the Ukraine and Russia sort things themselves first.

The last thing any nation or conflict situation needs is yelling and gesturing from loudmouths from anywhere, and any nation.

theabsolutetruth
Straw man arguments and presumptions.

I never even gave my opinion of Putin or the situation, only reports and facts.

more dismissal using false pretense... I never said you did say anything. I am telling you what Putin has stated, and has been reported. Please read my posts instead of giving half responses in an effort to divert the thread.

theabsolutetruth
Your posts look like name calling and accusations of taking sides and defending Putin just because of criticising your tone and obvious hatred on a news thread, is offensive.

I do not live in Russia so I am free to voice my opinion of Putin and his actions so long as they are within the T and C of this private website. Putin is trash and nothing more. He is single handedly screwing the Russian people over and its sad to watch people support it based on ignorance.

theabsolutetruth
Also Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine, it was asked for assistance in Crimea and gave that assistance, it has military leases there and a long history of ties to the area.

Again if you did research you would see that Crimea is not independent of Ukraine. They are semi autonomous but are still under the authority of the Ukrainian federal government. Even Russia has touched on this topic, going so far as to use the request from Crimea as a basis for an illegal invasion of Ukrainian sovereign territory.

Ironic that you bring up history when in fact you don't use it completely. You only use enough in order to justify actions by Russia. Well, lets look at the Crimea.. How did the Crimea become a part of Ukraine?

That would be because former Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, who is Ukrainian, gave the Crimea to Ukraine as a gift. At the time he did not know the Soviet Union would collapse like it did, but it does not negate the fact that Russia gave up its claims on the Crimea the moment Khrushchev handed it over to Ukraine.

So you can use historical ties argument, ethnic Russian argument.. It does not negate the fact Russia gave up its claim to the Crimea. Putin is using excuse after excuse in order to justify an illegal invasion to recover territory the Soviet Government willingly gave up.

theabsolutetruth
Unlike the US that doesn't, nor does the EU so all the blustering should be kept down and first let the Ukraine and Russia sort things themselves first.

Again, you ignore Ukraine and only invoke Russia. As I stated, you are ignoring the info that does not support your agenda in this case. Russia, being the aggressor, needs to cease operations and withdrawal all forces from the area that are not part of the Ukrainian agreement with Russia.

Ukraine is a sovereign nations and has asked for assistance, very much making it everyone's business now. If you don't want outsiders interfering in Ukraine, then Russia should stop as well.

theabsolutetruth
The last thing any nation or conflict situation needs is yelling and gesturing from loudmouths from anywhere, and any nation.

A point that Putin seems to not understand. You don't invade a sovereign nation without cause only to beg responding countries to keep out so it does not escalate.

reply to post by Xcathdra

Ukraine is a sovereign nations and has asked for assistance, very much making it everyone's business now. If you don't want outsiders interfering in Ukraine, then Russia should stop as well.

Ukraine has asked for assistance but is that being given? I doubt it !! West will not disturb it's peace for Ukraine. More so when with mere $100M of aid, Russia can make US pay $10B a month in Afghanistan again.......for years and years down the road.

You want to stir more trouble? How about Russia shuts down oil and gas to selected nations in Western Europe.

Result would be....................harsh cold winter and economic depression in Western Europe atleast........all for Ukraine??? don't think so !!