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reply to post by victor7
NATO is not restricted as to membership, so im not sure where you are getting that NATO must remain at the elbe.
At what point do you consider a country sovereign? Those nations that are former republics / east bloc are sovereign and can align / join whomever they wish.
Last I checked no former republic has to obtain permission from Moscow to run their nations as they see fit. Or is it your position that a nation is only sovereign when it agrees with Moscow?
I believe it is, but I think it will need to come from NATO and the EU first. There needs to be a recognition of Russian interests and the previous agreements which were signed into law by the former Ukrainian government. Russia isn't going to budge without assurances that it's naval base and it's economic interests will be respected. Those assurances also need to be made by the Ukrainian government as well.
I think if that much is done, Russia will be willing to withdraw troops and sit down at the negotiating table. But if the west insists that Russia abandon it's interest on western terms, it will not end well and Russia will refuse to budge. The problem here is that neither side wants to lose face. The west doesn't want to appear soft, and the Russians don't want to send the message that they will not defend their interests.
Crimea is a Russian port where the navy is situated. Russia hasn't made a move on mainland Ukraine or Kiev. There's probably many secrets and possibly nuclear weapons there. So far all Russia has done is protect its strategic naval force.
Your logic holds true partially however when two SUPERPOWERS disengage from certain "dangerous scenario" like in 1991, they make certain terms and agreements, so that " HOSTILE REENGAGEMENT" does not take place.
NATO broke those agreements of 1991 and now "HOSTILE RE-ENGAGEMENT" is taking place.
Sovereign nation logic holds fine but the same logic will also hold fine when Russia places its nukes in Cuba?
Sovereign nation logic DOES NOT hold fine when direct interests of NUCLEAR SUPERPOWERS are at stake......for the sake of the human race!
Russia is not the same power as the USSR. But nukes wise, it can still blow up the earth several times.
Would not want to hear this Sovereign nation logic anymore !!
edit on 1-3-2014 by victor7 because: (no reason given)
I was watching a documentary on Russian Special Forces and there one guy said
"Russians have the patience of Donkeys. But when that patience is broken, then it is bad for the aggressors."
Russia has clearly expressed via recent actions that its patience has crossed the limits.
There is no turning back now !!
Wise heads in the West...............take note of this fact !!