I met a fully Enlightened "Buddha". Here's what he said:

reply to post by dominicus


i have one question
in belly sometimes i feel 'a hole' opening up during exhale
is that the crack?

peace

BDBinc
So you came to a fork in the road and spent 38 years[ 3hrs a day] thinking about meditation [being a self proclaimed "devil"]

No. Reread my post more carefully.

When you are watching porn [and smoking] does that count as part of the 3 hours a day you think about meditation?

I never think about meditation. Rereread my post. Thinking and meditation are different things, at least in Buddhism.

reply to post by Kashai

Vajrayana meditation practices require visualisation, and recitations of prayers and mantras usually. Thinking in the sense I mean, involves logical deduction, experimentation and occasionally visualization, dreaming etc.

Meditation practices can result in insights but these arise spontaneously without a process of "thinking".

Generally western thought concretizes phenomena whereas meditation practice treats it as illusory.

reply to post by dominicus


Let me get this straight.

You were in the presence of a (supposedly) fully enlightened buddha, and you didnt take a picture?

arpgme
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ipsedixit
I'm very experienced but I'm no "holy guy". I still smoke. I watch porn.

Despite my shortcomings, and they are numerous, I do know what I'm talking about.

You define "holy" as not smoking or watching porn, and you say you have numerous "short comings". What were you using the meditation for and what did it do for you? It seems like you are not very detached from thoughts and still holding on to defining yourself through many conceptions. I could be wrong, but this is what it seems like based off of how you speak.

He saying hes not the Pope(which doesn't seem holy these days), or even how Hitler viewed himself as some right hand of god. He's saying he human, with a sense of humor tone.

reply to post by ipsedixit

Three meanings of the word “bodhisattva”

There are three principle meanings of the term “bodhisattva,” each of which I will discuss in more detail below:


1. In early Buddhism, bodhisattva meant “the previous lives of a (or the) Buddha.”

2. In Mahayana Buddhism, bodhisattva refers to a human being committed to the attainment of enlightenment for the sake of others. Becoming a bodhisattva is the goal of Mahayana Buddhism.

3. Bodhisattva may also refer in Mahayana Buddhism to archetypal bodhisattvas: mythical beings such as Avalokiteshvara and Manjushri, who are objects of devotion.

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Further reading

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You are on target.

ipsedixit

BDBinc
So you came to a fork in the road and spent 38 years[ 3hrs a day] thinking about meditation [being a self proclaimed "devil"]

No. Reread my post more carefully.

When you are watching porn [and smoking] does that count as part of the 3 hours a day you think about meditation?

I never think about meditation. Rereread my post. Thinking and meditation are different things, at least in Buddhism.

Yes I re read it.

ipsedixitSerious meditators come to a fork in the road. Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation.

ipsedixitThe great Tibetans don't think.

So you say they greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation? Yet then you contradict yourself.
P.S Are you still a "devil"?

Avalokitesvara is possibly the most popular of all Buddhist deities, beloved throughout the Buddhist world. The word avalokita means “observes the sounds of the world” and isvara means “lord”. The full name has been variously interpreted as “the lord who hears/looks in every direction” and “the lord of hearing the deepest”. The great vow of Avalokitesvara is to listen to the supplications from those in difficulty in the world and to postpone his own Buddhahood until he has helped every being on earth achieving enlightenment. Therefore, he is treated as the embodiment of all the Buddhas' compassion, the lord of infinite compassion in Mahayana Buddhism.

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Mañjuśrī (Skt: मञ्जुश्री) is a bodhisattva associated with transcendent wisdom (Skt. prajñā) in Mahāyāna Buddhism. In Esoteric Buddhism he is also taken as a meditational deity. The Sanskrit name Mañjuśrī can be translated as "Gentle Glory".[1] Mañjuśrī is also known by the fuller Sanskrit name of Mañjuśrīkumārabhūta.[2]

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ipsedixit
reply to post by Kashai

 

Vajrayana meditation practices require visualisation, and recitations of prayers and mantras usually. Thinking in the sense I mean, involves logical deduction, experimentation and occasionally visualization, dreaming etc.

Meditation practices can result in insights but these arise spontaneously without a process of "thinking".

Generally western thought concretizes phenomena whereas meditation practice treats it as illusory.

Calm Abiding....

ipsedixit
reply to post by Kashai

 

Vajrayana meditation practices require visualisation, and recitations of prayers and mantras usually. Thinking in the sense I mean, involves logical deduction, experimentation and occasionally visualization, dreaming etc.

Meditation practices can result in insights but these arise spontaneously without a process of "thinking".

Generally western thought concretizes phenomena whereas meditation practice treats it as illusory.

You are getting back to "being"....

In quantum mechanics conservative scientist claim that there is complete randomness in everything. But one can consider that in such a construct there is order outside our ability to perceive beyond the common senses.

You seem to suggest there are no experiences beyond the common senses.

What evidence do you have for that?

reply to post by dominicus


"If you meet Buddha on the road Kill him"
Lin Chi

Of course that might not get invited to dinner by his family.

Kashai
You are getting back to "being"….

I was attempting to contrast meditation practice with thinking.

You seem to suggest there are no experiences beyond the common senses.

In Buddhism there are the five senses but also mental awareness.

reply to post by dominicus


Cool and beautiful, respectfully remember that even this experience is simply an arrow pointing you in the right direction. Let this go too. That is once you come back down from that divine sunlit peak of this experience.

Refreshing.

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That is figuratively speaking. In other words don't get caught up in what shows you your own inner divinity. Do not stop at a cheap imitation, be authentic. Even a fake Master can help the true seeker to find enlightenment and in the same sense even a true Master cannot help a fool. They all throw you back into yourself, and yet in the presence of a Buddha, in the Buddha field it is so indescribable and can easily be mistaken as ones own, when in fact it is just field energy resonance, a reflection in the water.

BDBinc

ipsedixitSerious meditators come to a fork in the road. Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation.

ipsedixitThe great Tibetans don't think.

So you say they greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation? Yet then you contradict yourself.

Let me clarify. They don't think in the sense that we do in our culture. There is no Tibetan science apart from meditation. There are some Tibetan folk tales and historical chronicles. There is no Tibetan sociology. There is no Tibetan political science. There is no Tibetan history of critical analysis applied to anything but Buddhist philosophy and psychology. These analytical writings are not thinking in the normal sense. They are travelogues of the inner life, in a manner of speaking. There is debate in Tibetan monasteries but this is all "by rote". There is Buddhist logic, Madhyamaka, etc. but it is all related to establishing an intellectual connection to the realization of Shunyata. It was used in ancient times to combat the Hindus on the intellectual playing field. No other religions are even in this ballgame.

There is Tibetan medicine but no biological research in the western sense beyond what is realized through meditation.

Basically the Tibetans meditate, they don't think, as we in the west do, as a vehicle for the advancement of the culture. Of course that's a broad overview of the situation. I'm not saying that Tibetans don't have common sense or can't conduct politics or commerce.

The following might help to make the situation understood in the right way.

Among real Vajrayanists one might say that the brain and "thinking" are related in the way that the computer and thinking are related among Western "thinkers". In using the computer people push buttons, feed in data, apply the correct program and wait for the answer to pop out. There is thinking involved but only in a rudimentary way, for most people. Westerners using a computer don't "cudgel" it, normally, to get results, but they "cudgel" their brains. Vajrayanists don't cudgel the brain, they just feed in the correct prayers and mantras and wait for the answer as a Westerner would do with a computer.

Furthermore, pointing to the profundity of the difference between "thinking" in the West and meditation among Vajrayanists, computer programmers must "think" in order to write their programs. In Vajrayana all the programs are already written and are simply discovered through meditation and then passed on by the discoverers.

Of course sophisticated western "thinkers" probably realize that they too are discovering programs that are already written in their own minds, or might suspect that that might be the case. At high levels science and Buddhist meditation start to converge, but one must remember that Buddhist meditation reached its summit 2500 years ago. It's later history is all just footnotes.

Thinking is not the "done" thing among Vajrayanists, if they are really into being Vajrayanists.

P.S Are you still a "devil"?

I never said I was a devil. I used the devil smiley to characterize my search for occult power.

dominicus

Oh, and he's very reluctant to teach. I found him through word of mouth from a friend who is in India on a year long pilgrimage, who has access to an area of the Himalayas where there are caves with Masters meditating in them, being brought food & water by an ancient order/organization of people from small villages who have been donating to those seeking Enlightenment in the caves for over a thousand years now. Some refuse to see or teach people. Others have asked to be completely shored up in the caves with rocks/bricks and not to be brought food or water anymore, only to emerge a decade or two later still alive and full Enlightened.

That's awesome. And frustrating at the same time. The world needs competent (Enlightened) teachers now more than ever! What good to sentient life is a bunch of Arhats and Buddhas sitting around in dark caves bathing in the eternal light of awakened consciousness while leaving the rest of us wayward souls to fend for ourselves in a failing society and civilization which is crumbling around us? I know most of us deserve our fates karmically-speaking, but that could be resolved if the lost sheep among us had more truly exemplary human role models to aspire to learn from rather than celebrities and fox news and twitter and facebook and....

...lol, I think I suddenly realize why they prefer to live in a cave. Whatever, I guess in the end we all find our way in our own time. I'm sure they have a logical and compassionate reason for keeping their distance. I just wish it weren't so

Imagine an enlightened human society where these awakened beings were accepted and respected and emulated instead of rejected and ridiculed and abused? What a world that could be. Come out of the caves Buddhas! We're not all bad.


Namaste

reply to post by dominicus


I have no freaking clue what you just said.

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He saying hes not the Pope(which doesn't seem holy these days), or even how Hitler viewed himself as some right hand of god. He's saying he human, with a sense of humor tone.

I was surprised to hear that the age of consent was just 12 in the Vatican city until it was changed this year. The law was changed, however the pope has also made another new law which prevents whistleblowing.
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ipsedixit

BDBinc

ipsedixitSerious meditators come to a fork in the road. Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation.

ipsedixitThe great Tibetans don't think.

So you say they greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation? Yet then you contradict yourself.

Let me clarify. They don't think in the sense that we do in our culture. There is no Tibetan science apart from meditation. There are some Tibetan folk tales and historical chronicles. There is no Tibetan sociology. There is no Tibetan political science. There is no Tibetan history of critical analysis applied to anything but Buddhist philosophy and psychology. These analytical writings are not thinking in the normal sense. They are travelogues of the inner life, in a manner of speaking. There is debate in Tibetan monasteries but this is all "by rote". There is Buddhist logic, Madhyamaka, etc. but it is all related to establishing an intellectual connection to the realization of Shunyata. It is used to combat the Hindus on the intellectual playing field. No other religions are even in this ballgame.

There is Tibetan medicine but no biological research in the western sense beyond what is realized through meditation.

Basically the Tibetans meditate, they don't think, as we in the west do, as a vehicle for the advancement of the culture. Of course that's a broad overview of the situation. I'm not saying that Tibetans don't have common sense or can't conduct politics or commerce.

P.S Are you still a "devil"?

I never said I was a devil. I used the devil smiley to characterize my search for occult power.

edit on 23-2-2014 by ipsedixit because: (no reason given)

Yes I noticed you used the devil to characterize your search for power.
Sorry you did not explain your contradiction clearly enough for me, I'm sure everyone else understands what you mean and I kind of just like the quote]

ipsedixit Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation. The great Tibetans don't think.

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