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BDBinc
So you came to a fork in the road and spent 38 years[ 3hrs a day] thinking about meditation [being a self proclaimed "devil"]
When you are watching porn [and smoking] does that count as part of the 3 hours a day you think about meditation?
arpgme
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ipsedixit
I'm very experienced but I'm no "holy guy". I still smoke. I watch porn.
Despite my shortcomings, and they are numerous, I do know what I'm talking about.
You define "holy" as not smoking or watching porn, and you say you have numerous "short comings". What were you using the meditation for and what did it do for you? It seems like you are not very detached from thoughts and still holding on to defining yourself through many conceptions. I could be wrong, but this is what it seems like based off of how you speak.
Three meanings of the word “bodhisattva”
There are three principle meanings of the term “bodhisattva,” each of which I will discuss in more detail below:
1. In early Buddhism, bodhisattva meant “the previous lives of a (or the) Buddha.”
2. In Mahayana Buddhism, bodhisattva refers to a human being committed to the attainment of enlightenment for the sake of others. Becoming a bodhisattva is the goal of Mahayana Buddhism.
3. Bodhisattva may also refer in Mahayana Buddhism to archetypal bodhisattvas: mythical beings such as Avalokiteshvara and Manjushri, who are objects of devotion.
ipsedixit
BDBinc
So you came to a fork in the road and spent 38 years[ 3hrs a day] thinking about meditation [being a self proclaimed "devil"]
No. Reread my post more carefully.
When you are watching porn [and smoking] does that count as part of the 3 hours a day you think about meditation?
I never think about meditation. Rereread my post. Thinking and meditation are different things, at least in Buddhism.
ipsedixitSerious meditators come to a fork in the road. Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation.
ipsedixitThe great Tibetans don't think.
Avalokitesvara is possibly the most popular of all Buddhist deities, beloved throughout the Buddhist world. The word avalokita means “observes the sounds of the world” and isvara means “lord”. The full name has been variously interpreted as “the lord who hears/looks in every direction” and “the lord of hearing the deepest”. The great vow of Avalokitesvara is to listen to the supplications from those in difficulty in the world and to postpone his own Buddhahood until he has helped every being on earth achieving enlightenment. Therefore, he is treated as the embodiment of all the Buddhas' compassion, the lord of infinite compassion in Mahayana Buddhism.
Mañjuśrī (Skt: मञ्जुश्री) is a bodhisattva associated with transcendent wisdom (Skt. prajñā) in Mahāyāna Buddhism. In Esoteric Buddhism he is also taken as a meditational deity. The Sanskrit name Mañjuśrī can be translated as "Gentle Glory".[1] Mañjuśrī is also known by the fuller Sanskrit name of Mañjuśrīkumārabhūta.[2]
ipsedixit
reply to post by Kashai
Vajrayana meditation practices require visualisation, and recitations of prayers and mantras usually. Thinking in the sense I mean, involves logical deduction, experimentation and occasionally visualization, dreaming etc.
Meditation practices can result in insights but these arise spontaneously without a process of "thinking".
Generally western thought concretizes phenomena whereas meditation practice treats it as illusory.
ipsedixit
reply to post by Kashai
Vajrayana meditation practices require visualisation, and recitations of prayers and mantras usually. Thinking in the sense I mean, involves logical deduction, experimentation and occasionally visualization, dreaming etc.
Meditation practices can result in insights but these arise spontaneously without a process of "thinking".
Generally western thought concretizes phenomena whereas meditation practice treats it as illusory.
Kashai
You are getting back to "being"….
You seem to suggest there are no experiences beyond the common senses.
BDBinc
ipsedixitSerious meditators come to a fork in the road. Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation.
ipsedixitThe great Tibetans don't think.
So you say they greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation? Yet then you contradict yourself.
P.S Are you still a "devil"?
dominicus
Oh, and he's very reluctant to teach. I found him through word of mouth from a friend who is in India on a year long pilgrimage, who has access to an area of the Himalayas where there are caves with Masters meditating in them, being brought food & water by an ancient order/organization of people from small villages who have been donating to those seeking Enlightenment in the caves for over a thousand years now. Some refuse to see or teach people. Others have asked to be completely shored up in the caves with rocks/bricks and not to be brought food or water anymore, only to emerge a decade or two later still alive and full Enlightened.
Specimen
He saying hes not the Pope(which doesn't seem holy these days), or even how Hitler viewed himself as some right hand of god. He's saying he human, with a sense of humor tone.
ipsedixit
BDBinc
ipsedixitSerious meditators come to a fork in the road. Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation.
ipsedixitThe great Tibetans don't think.
So you say they greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation? Yet then you contradict yourself.
Let me clarify. They don't think in the sense that we do in our culture. There is no Tibetan science apart from meditation. There are some Tibetan folk tales and historical chronicles. There is no Tibetan sociology. There is no Tibetan political science. There is no Tibetan history of critical analysis applied to anything but Buddhist philosophy and psychology. These analytical writings are not thinking in the normal sense. They are travelogues of the inner life, in a manner of speaking. There is debate in Tibetan monasteries but this is all "by rote". There is Buddhist logic, Madhyamaka, etc. but it is all related to establishing an intellectual connection to the realization of Shunyata. It is used to combat the Hindus on the intellectual playing field. No other religions are even in this ballgame.
There is Tibetan medicine but no biological research in the western sense beyond what is realized through meditation.
Basically the Tibetans meditate, they don't think, as we in the west do, as a vehicle for the advancement of the culture. Of course that's a broad overview of the situation. I'm not saying that Tibetans don't have common sense or can't conduct politics or commerce.
P.S Are you still a "devil"?
I never said I was a devil. I used the devil smiley to characterize my search for occult power.
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ipsedixit Either meditate or think. The two are quite different. Generally speaking, the greatest meditators in Tibet only thought about meditation. The great Tibetans don't think.