They May Take Our Pound But They Will Never Take Our Irn Bru

reply to post by burns1805


So you are moving to Antarctica then?

reply to post by Elijah23


The EU have said that if Scotland becomes independent, that it will not automatically join the EU and would have to apply like any other new country.

Don't worry about the UKs EU membership, Scotland leaving would have no effect on the remaining UKs membership, we give the EU to much money every year for that to happen, but if it did it would be a bonus.

To be honest It's not something I'm really that fussed about.
I see issues and positives on both sides, for every positive there's a negative and vice-versa.

It's nice to be in charge of your own destiny and be independent.... but is swapping Westminster for Brussels really that great?
Is leaving because David Cameron is a prick really a good reason? Alex Salmond is just as much of a bell-end to be honest, they both have smug faces you just want to punch.

Cameron wont be around forever and I doubt will win the next election.

It seems like a big risk starting again, no currency, being a little nation in the EU etc.... then again, just because something will be difficult doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, if the people say yes then it has to be tried at least.

I don't know.... for all our banter, I always kind of like Britain together, the way we are.
Maybe just a renegotiation of our "treaty" would be the best idea?
Kind of how it would be for Europe too.

Then again, Cameron and Salmond are both egotistical pricks and don't want that....

I dunno.... as I said, I'm not that fussed either way but it seems like it will cause of lot of issues for both nations if it does happen, but people must be free to decide their own future and how their country should be governed and by whom.

So good luck, whatever happens.

Fat salmond and his [republican] puppets ,havent got a clue. No for me.

burns1805
I have a bitter feeling towards the UK for this. I want to be part of a peaceful country, free of greed and corruption.

ANY nation that is ruled by politicians will not be peaceful and free of greed.
You're deluded if you think that just breaking free of UK will somehow create this magic utopia of peace, love and happiness.

reply to post by coolcatt


I agree with you that the SNP's vision for independence is crap and I personally don't think we should use the pound but I am pro independence, as I want my children to grow up in a Tory free country where education is free at university level, where the healthcare system remains in the hands of a public trust and not private hands, a country where the education system isn't in a constant state of (counter) reform and a country that isn't pro-war, where the gap between rich and poor can't be seen from space and where the government knows that cutting benefits and services does the opposite of stimulating the economy and I also want a country that for better or worse, makes its own decisions that affect its own people and its own economy and the only chance of any of this happening, regardless of the Snp or tories or personal opinion, is through independence. I personally want independece then a socialist government taking power after it becomes final in 2016... its not automatically the SNPs independent Scotland...there will be 2 years after the vote for it to become final and plenty of parties will put forward their vision for an independent Scotland before we get our first vote in an independent Scotland which is just a few months after it would happen in 2016. if any of you are interested in some of those visions and ideas just now google or youtube the Radical independence conference, its got nothing to do with the SNP and I was there this year, it was excellent and had a very diverse platform for ideas.

reply to post by Redroc64


And so it begins.

reply to post by burns1805


Sad case indeed that happen to you're family. I just find it's not in the best interest for all party's I just know if it did happen it would be a sad day for UK as it won't stop there maybe the rest could follow ?

reply to post by michael1888


I agree Michael. I know next to nothing about politics but Im not stupid.
I work in a pub and one of the men who drinks in there works in oil and gas.. he said that oil and gas is in abundance in the east and they have discovered more in the shetlands. Contrary to what we are told in the msm.

Good article here.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Alex wanted the euro in 2009 and he doesn't think that we will actually go through with what Osbourne has said.

reply to post by burns1805


How will Scotland fund it self? You do know that the Oil in the North Sea has already peaked and is now declining. If Scotland had become independent in the 70's or 80's then you could have supported your GDP with Oil, like Norway has.

What about the UKs national debt of over 1 trillion pound, is Scotland going to take a share of that?

I loved Scotland when I lived there, still visit Glasgow and Glenrothes once a month for work, and the people are bit against the break up of the union. I do agree with a previous post that those in Scotland from Irish descent, mainly East Coast and Coatbridge are against the union, for the reasons given. But ask these same people have they been to Ireland and a majority will say no. It's a Catholic and Protestant issue more than a Scottish and English issue. I was surprised at the amount of sectarianism in Scotland, never knew it existed but a good example to prove this would be "Celtic and Rangers" old firm games.

I would bet that everyone for independence on this thread are Celtic supporters.

reply to post by boymonkey74


Why are people doubting Osborne about this.Ed Balls, the shadow chancellor, and Danny Alexander, the chief secretary to the Treasry, both agreed a currency union could not work.

Catholic, protestant, Scotland, England yada yada yada.
No its about Scotland!
Oil isnt all we have either, Thatcher dismantled our yards. We will start over from Govan and win our own contracts which wont be drip fed through English companies.
Did we survive before English governance?
Im not a hater, I am a lover and I love Scotland.

This was posted in the general chit chat forum and not in any political forum.
Show racism the red card and keep your football team out of it.

reply to post by flammadraco


Im not saying Oil and Gas is our only card here, just an example.
Scottish water even has a high demand overseas, look the point is
the cake has not been shared equally, we dont get out as much as
we put in. The rest of the UK needs Scotland, Im not so sure we need
the UK.

But like everyone else on here, who seem to be experts, its all speculation.

boymonkey74
reply to post by burns1805

 

So you are moving to Antarctica then?

Scottish weather isnt much different..

michael1888

Did we survive before English governance?

As you know its a whole new ball game the world we live now.

we are dependent on so many things ...mostly the # government.

reply to post by coolcatt


Yeah if you live in a "computer says no" world. Dont be fooled we are a strong country and no amount of scaremongering should get in the way of a free Scotland with a say in how it is run.

reply to post by burns1805


Just to make clear my position, I would rather Scotland stayed as part of the union.

However, the Scots have more spent per capita than any other country in the union. This is subsidised by the rest if the UK citizens. This is not a smear campaign, I can provide a link to prove it. That said no one needs Scotland more than Scotland needs anyone else.

You have three banks printing money in Scotland all backed by the Bank of England, once you become independent this goes and whatever currency you end up with will be devalued.

No matter what the SNP tells you, Scotland will have a higher tax rate than anywhere else in the UK. You only have 5,314,000 residents in Scotland, how many of these are tax payers?

Within six months of independence, a lot of Scots will move to England. If the yes vote does happen, I will make a bet with you.

reply to post by burns1805


Weather ( enough said) ,health (worst life expectancy in Europe) , Drugs ( highest rate of heroin abuse in Europe) ,finance ( £16.5bn more in UK public spending in 2009-10 than it contributed to total UK revenues - or a 'subsidy' of around £3,150 per head.), the only good thing Scotland bring to this union is there impoverished communities that supply our armies. Cut the fat I say !

On a side note I do like the people but the facts speak for themselves and if they want to go let them go , incidentally the bank of ENGLAND ( and other banks in ENGLAND) print our money ( the pound), the banks in SCOTLAND and NORTHERN IRELAND print promise notes ( a bit like a check )that are NOT LEGAL TENDER. So without invading and capturing the banks of ENGLAND , ENGLAND owns the pound... Keep printing your monopoly money if you would like, but it will never be a Great British Pound.

reply to post by michael1888


As I've said, I speak from experience as I lived and worked in Coatbridge for over six years and if you are Scottish, you will know what this town is like. On one side you have Catholics who support Celtic FC and are against the Union. The next town Airdrie are Protestant and support the union and Rangers FC. I support neither, I'm not being racist. This is an observation and first hand experience. You have Orange Order Marches and Catholic Marches. Something not seen in England.

I could also point out that I saw a lot of Anglophobia during the world cups. So I think I'm far from racist but I have experienced Scottish people who are.