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Work Is A Beautiful Thing. Wal-Mart To Invest $250 Billion

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posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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Ray of hope.... nice.




posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 11:44 AM
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SLAYER69
The best thing Walli could do if it hasn't already been mentioned is to allow the bulk of their already employed that are underemployed to have real full time hours.



Start there first.



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Hell even keeping them PT but paying them a living wage could work too, allow some to cut out the 2nd or 3rd job they are already working.

I doubt anyone is fooled that this is anything other than PR, with some exploitation of the demand for work thrown into the mix.

I have exstensive retail experience, in both multi-unit, and direct management, the associated losses of Skilled people is really starting to hit retail.

These places want retail drones, and they wonder why their profits are still slipping.

I luckly managed to find a direct sales marketing job, pt, for 18 an hour.

Guess what happens when you pay someone what they are worth, they produce for you.

Ill use this example,

Best buy pays their employees minimum wage, and keeps them Under 40 so as not to hit health care limit.

Best buy sales suffer immensely, retail suffers, customer service falls.

Im being paid, By manufacturers (not best buy) to go into their stores and push their products because the employees can't.

So now my PT job consist of going into a best buy (and walmart some times) to sell what their employees can't, at 18 an hour.


THE Profits, even from a manufacture side, exist to pay people what they deserve.

We just built a business model where LABOR is now a commodity to be cut and save money on, where as before Skilled labor used to be valued.

What we see happening in retail is the death of the current models, Everyone in retail knows the current trends are bad, and something needs to change to fix it.

No one seems to think the obvious, PAY your workers more, and they can spend more and will produce more for you..
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posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 12:24 PM
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benrl

SLAYER69
The best thing Walli could do if it hasn't already been mentioned is to allow the bulk of their already employed that are underemployed to have real full time hours.



Start there first.



edit on 10-2-2014 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)


Hell even keeping them PT but paying them a living wage could work too, allow some to cut out the 2nd or 3rd job they are already working.

I doubt anyone is fooled that this is anything other than PR, with some exploitation of the demand for work thrown into the mix.

I have exstensive retail experience, in both multi-unit, and direct management, the associated losses of Skilled people is really starting to hit retail.

These places want retail drones, and they wonder why their profits are still slipping.

I luckly managed to find a direct sales marketing job, pt, for 18 an hour.

Guess what happens when you pay someone what they are worth, they produce for you.

Ill use this example,

Best buy pays their employees minimum wage, and keeps them Under 40 so as not to hit health care limit.

Best buy sales suffer immensely, retail suffers, customer service falls.

Im being paid, By manufacturers (not best buy) to go into their stores and push their products because the employees can't.

So now my PT job consist of going into a best buy (and walmart some times) to sell what their employees can't, at 18 an hour.


THE Profits, even from a manufacture side, exist to pay people what they deserve.

We just built a business model where LABOR is now a commodity to be cut and save money on, where as before Skilled labor used to be valued.

What we see happening in retail is the death of the current models, Everyone in retail knows the current trends are bad, and something needs to change to fix it.

No one seems to think the obvious, PAY your workers more, and they can spend more and will produce more for you..
edit on 10-2-2014 by benrl because: (no reason given)


pay people better? you mus't be a communist!!! lol



posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 12:38 PM
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conspiracy nut

pay people better? you mus't be a communist!!! lol



LOL,

I just might, I just might...

America, has a warped twisted view of every political Ideology out there, even its own.

I could go for some Marxist communism in some things, Hell socialism in others, and capitalist market place for still more.

Nothing is Black and white, so why is our political ideology?

Social Security, Public Education, Medicare, Police and fire services, Municipal water supplies and utility, etc.

America is not 100% capitalist like the TV likes to tell you, so I wonder what other lies we have been following.


What you start to see, when you actually start looking into political systems, is nothing is really like they tell us it is.



posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 12:39 PM
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I usually don't pay attention to doom p0rn but this is scary.

The only way we can compete with a third world nation is to become a third world nation. No American can survive on wages from overseas because of our cost of living . Therefor something must happen for us to compete.


Of course their is always the possibility that a corporation who is under pressure to increase profits year after year for infinity and is a global power house just want's to do something nice for America. HAHAHA couldn't finish that sentence without laughing.


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posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 03:53 PM
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Anyone that thinks the Walmart business model is to help Americans is a fool.

readersupportednews.org...

If jobs are created; who do you think they will go to? I'll tell you...people that will work for much less, like Illegal immigrants.

Walmart will soon pressure the government to allow immigrants to get a "green card" so they can hire basically slave labor.

habla Espanol? Better learn....

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posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 05:21 PM
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Kangaruex4Ewe


One can't help but wonder WHY Wal-Mart would do this, but I guess we will have to see. It is nice to see something positive lately, and I hope that it does some amount of good regardless.

www.theblaze.com...
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It only makes sense for Walmart to be very concerned about the state of our economy because if the bottom falls out, they will suffer. When it finally reaches the point people can't buy anything, Walmart will feel it. They know its coming so why not do what they can to help stop it now before it happens.



posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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One thing I have learned from this thread is that when people hate you, there is no sense at all in trying to do anything to encourage them to like you. You can take an action for some other reason, but don't try to please the people who hate you, it's useless.

Do something, or do the opposite thing, it makes no difference. The only real solution is to disregard opinion and do what you truly believe is the best thing.



posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 10:32 PM
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This is just a big PR move by Walmart and for their own benefit after they have already done so much damage to this country from their cut throat tactics. I have not darkened the door step of any Walmart in 20 years and do not plan on it anytime in the future. There is absolutely nothing moral nor ethical that can come from this company.

The Walton Family and many of the policy makers of Walmart need to rot in Hell where they belong.



posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 10:54 PM
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charles1952
One thing I have learned from this thread is that when people hate you, there is no sense at all in trying to do anything to encourage them to like you. You can take an action for some other reason, but don't try to please the people who hate you, it's useless.

Do something, or do the opposite thing, it makes no difference. The only real solution is to disregard opinion and do what you truly believe is the best thing.



Agreed Charles. I figured the opinion would be split when I posted it. I worked at Wal-Mart for a few years a few years back. I started out above minimum wage, within a year and a half I was making quite a few dollars more than that. They treated me well. They paid me better than most places I have worked. They left me alone to do my job and go home. I understand my experience is not what everyone experiences, but they hired me after I had been out of the work force for more than 10 years when we desperately needed the extra income. A lot of other people would not even bother with an interview since my work history was so light. I was and still am grateful for that.

I am not saying they are bright beacons of angel's lights by any means, but I did not have the same experience a lot of people claim to have. I am willing to have an open mind and give them a shot at this, just like they did me.



posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 10:55 PM
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charles1952
One thing I have learned from this thread is that when people hate you, there is no sense at all in trying to do anything to encourage them to like you. You can take an action for some other reason, but don't try to please the people who hate you, it's useless.

Do something, or do the opposite thing, it makes no difference. The only real solution is to disregard opinion and do what you truly believe is the best thing.



Corporations are people my friend, and as a person, Walmart has nothing trustworthy, moral or ethical to offer based on their past record.
Would you trust a person that had a long history consisting of a cutthroat, backstabbing and lying nature?

Me and many other people don't and that is the "market" at work.



posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 11:13 PM
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Dear jacobe001,

I have to admit that I'm a little confused by your post. Please clear up my confusion.

Corporations are people my friend, and as a person, Walmart has nothing trustworthy, moral or ethical to offer based on their past record.
Actually, corporations aren't people, and the Citizens United ruling didn't change that fact. I'm not sure why it is important to call Walmart a person, though, but let's let it go.

Would you trust a person that had a long history consisting of a cutthroat, backstabbing and lying nature?
It's difficult for me to believe that any person or group is as completely bad as you portray them. Even the Mafia did some good things. (Of course, that might be my hot, Italian blood speaking.)

But why do you have to trust them? Either they put money into factories or they don't. How are you, or anyone for that matter, affected. If they open a factory and announce jobs to be filled that's good news for the people in that town (I would think). If they don't, no one is worse off.

If you don't want to shop there, fine, but don't burst a blood vessel over it. Just had a thought. Let's say that Walmart closed everything and walked away. People are fired, the store shelves are wiped clean, and the huge warehouse buildings are put on the market. What do you think will happen then? Will each Walmart store be subdivided into boutiques selling hand-crafted beads, incense, wall hangings, and iron cookware? I'm not sure you could fill a Walmart with the things our small town makes and sells. What will happen to the employees? Government welfare?

I must be missing something fundamental. Give me a hand, please.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:13 PM
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Unfortunately, the work ethic of which you speak no longer exists. Instead of feeling content for doing a days work for a days pay, the general consensus nowadays seems to be more along the lines of: How can I do 4 hours worth of work and get paid for 8?

Am I being cynical? No doubt I am....but I have run across too many youth who make statements along the lines of: "I wont sell my soul to [fill in blank] for x dollars/hour. Not realizing that they are effectively ending their career and future opportunities with such an attitude. My wife just terminated a young a$$ who made that exact statement. He had promise, was well liked but was more interested in playing computer games than getting his work right. His errors were legion, and his main interest was how early could he take off work to go home and play x game.

I cannot tell you how often I see people showing up for an interview in sagging jeans, shorts and just plain looking disreputable for a job where you will be representing the company in public settings. WTF?

And people wonder why jobs are going overseas. Getting someone who wants to work and is willing to work their way up the ladder is like pulling teeth. Like winning the lottery. Like giving birth to an Einstein lol sorry Al....

I fault the corporations as well...there is no loyalty either way.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:28 PM
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jacobe001

charles1952
One thing I have learned from this thread is that when people hate you, there is no sense at all in trying to do anything to encourage them to like you. You can take an action for some other reason, but don't try to please the people who hate you, it's useless.

Do something, or do the opposite thing, it makes no difference. The only real solution is to disregard opinion and do what you truly believe is the best thing.



Corporations are people my friend, and as a person, Walmart has nothing trustworthy, moral or ethical to offer based on their past record.
Would you trust a person that had a long history consisting of a cutthroat, backstabbing and lying nature?

Me and many other people don't and that is the "market" at work.


I try hard to not shop at Wally World. Not because I dont trust them. It's because I hate the experience. Customers that are ... socially unacceptable. Employees that do not give a damn, that will not lift a finger to help you, that seem more interested in complaining to a fellow employee (or flirt with one) than doing their work. Freaking long lines at check out with tons of unmanned register stations and if you say something to a manager you get that look that says: stfu. Inventory that is poorly maintained.

I just hate the experience.

I would rather spend an extra $40 and shop at Central Market or Whole Foods where at least I get the impression the employees are friendly and care.

Wally World has gone down significantly since ole man Walton passed.

If they are up for putting 250 billion towards manufacturing, I am all for it. This country is not exporting anything these days (at least, very little). If the manufacturing is for products that will only be sold inside the US then it is a masturbatory exercise at best. Will not help the downward spiral our economy is in.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:42 PM
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And people wonder why jobs are going overseas. Getting someone who wants to work and is willing to work their way up the ladder is like pulling teeth. Like winning the lottery. Like giving birth to an Einstein lol sorry Al....

I fault the corporations as well...there is no loyalty either way.



And I wonder, do you have sources for that? As to the people(the employees and potential employees) are to blame for jobs going over seas?

Corporations are at bigger fault by far then the few lazy types, might I add who are NOTHING new, that you've dealt with.
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posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:49 PM
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This doesn't make sense.

It goes against Walmart's prime business model, which is buying really cheap crap, marking it up 150% and selling it back to us.

I find it VERY hard to believe that they are going to create manufacturing jobs in the US, with good wages, making useful products.

IMO they'll be creating products for sale to other countries like China for example. Cheap consumer goods that nobody needs but everybody will buy.

250 billion? Yah, I'll believe it when I see the first one go up.

~Tenth



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 09:07 PM
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dreamingawake

bbracken677
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And people wonder why jobs are going overseas. Getting someone who wants to work and is willing to work their way up the ladder is like pulling teeth. Like winning the lottery. Like giving birth to an Einstein lol sorry Al....

I fault the corporations as well...there is no loyalty either way.



And I wonder, do you have sources for that? As to the people(the employees and potential employees) are to blame for jobs going over seas?

Corporations are at bigger fault by far then the few lazy types, might I add who are NOTHING new, that you've dealt with.
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Life is not that simple, that you can point at one thing and say "there is the cause". You say corporations are at fault? To some degree yes, but I would blame our govt more than them.

Corporations exist to make money. If they cannot compete in the world market with products made in the US then they have a choice: either move operations overseas or close up shop. Either way, for the factory worker it means the loss of a job.

I have 30 years in the manufacturing environment under my belt. I have also had to deal with stupidly ignorant govt red tape as well as employees with effed up attitudes who believe the company owes them a living before they even begin their workday. My sources are personal experience. The work ethic today outright sucks (in general) compared to 40 years ago.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 09:09 PM
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Bassago
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You are exactly right. Now that the economy has crushed so many people into poverty they'll be happy to work in any factory for any wages they can get. Maybe they'll be working for FoxConn making iPhones for cheaper wages than the Chinese workers get now. All part of the plan.


The reason Foxconn may be of interest is that as Reuters reports, as a result of soaring wages on the mainland, and in its ongoing strategy to keep worker compensation as razor thin as possible, the fabricator is now actively looking to expand outside of China. Among the places considered? Indonesia of course. And, drumroll, the United States! In other words, from the perspective of Foxconn, US labor now has greater wage competitiveness than China. Link




They know that the US is essentially a third world economy and it's final days are ahead. They want to get on the ground floor when it finally falls and people will love to be making 6 bucks an hour with horrible work rules just to get a check.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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Wow , what a brainwashing propaganda and people failing.Manufactoring jobs are declining everywhere in first world countries.



The number of workers in other occupations has been greatly reduced because of technological improvements. Jobs in several manufacturing occupations have been made expendable because of advances in automation. For drilling and boring machine operators working with metals and plastics, as well as for textile workers, automation has helped contribute to a more than 50% decrease in jobs between 2002 and 2012. Work in several fields, including prepress technicians and computer operators, has also been cut by improved software and automation of processes that specialists once had to do by hand.




more than half of textile jobs were cut due to the combination of outsourcing and improved automation.




Textile knitting and weaving machine workers are primarily employed to set up, monitor and operate machines used in the manufacturing of textile products. Decreases in textile worker employment have been largely the result of advancements in manufacturing technology, in addition to the growing tendency to outsource production activity to countries with cheaper labor, according to the BLS. However, while many Americans have blamed the low cost of labor abroad for the loss of such manufacturing jobs, a recent report from the McKinsey Global Institute noted that the majority of manufacturing jobs lost between 2000 and 2010 were due to increases in productivity.




According to the BLS, drilling and boring machine workers “set up, operate, or tend drilling machines to drill, bore, ream, mill, or countersink metal or plastic work pieces.” Such jobs often require knowledge of the properties of specific types of metals and plastics, so that materials are fed to the machine at the proper speed and cut to the necessary specifications. However, an increase in automation likely has contributed to declines in employment of these occupations. In the 10 years ending in May 2012, the number of workers handling such machines has fallen from an estimated total of more than 50,000 to just over 20,000.



finance.yahoo.com...



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 09:39 PM
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charles1952

Just had a thought. Let's say that Walmart closed everything and walked away. People are fired, the store shelves are wiped clean, and the huge warehouse buildings are put on the market. What do you think will happen then? Will each Walmart store be subdivided into boutiques selling hand-crafted beads, incense, wall hangings, and iron cookware? I'm not sure you could fill a Walmart with the things our small town makes and sells. What will happen to the employees? Government welfare?

I must be missing something fundamental. Give me a hand, please.

With respect,
Charles1952



Just a thought. Let's say Walmart opened stores nationwide and used cheap Chinese Labor under Communist Rule where those citizens do not have the freedoms and rights like American's do (or used to I should say) to fight back. Let's say through these policies, they put many small and medium sized local business out of work and did this all in the span of 30 years.

There is your answer.

Walmart, similar stores and our Chinese Trade Policies would not go away overnight like you are suggesting and would take time in the reverse order as they did in the previous order. I would not want Walmart leading the way, but the small and medium local business that would spring up from their demise to lead the way.

Those in power would not like that though. Most small mom and pop shops don't have stocks on Wall Street and all that power is distributed throughout those local communities. How would The Big Wall Street Banks and Politicians get a cut of the action if that power was not concentrated in their hands?

I think those Big Corporations and Banks that own our government absolutely love the upsides of Communism where the citizens do not have any rights to fight back as we are seeing, but would cry foul if the downsides were put in force where the Chinese own 80% if the business in their country.




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