Utah Petroglyphs in light of the Skinwalker Phenomena.

reply to post by uncommitted


That narrative is contained in the Chris O'Brian interview i posted from youtube, i didn't directly quote him but he relates that Sherman described seeing such emerging, including one that clipped the top of a nearby tree...


reply to post by hiii_98


I know you have particular interest in the Skinwalker ranch mysteries, but for my part this is only part of a more wide ranging examination of ancient traditions regarding visitation and how this was represented in art, so when i say for example there was generally personification even Deification of phenomena which were related as having the power of flight i have quite an extensive overview, for example from Tibet, the Khyung;





Or from Sumeria the Anzu;




In these cases it is not simply a case of yeah well kinda looks like, there are recorded literary accounts of their flying capabilities, the devastating effects of such, and their function as enforcers of Celestial will. It is apparent then that an aerodynamic agency of Celestial control that zipped around the skies could be represented in quite a few different ways, we would tend to relate most to the purely abstract form, as in the the case of sky blue Anzu beads.











So my criteria here for starters was COULD the Utah petroglyphs be illustrating the flying phenomena as related by Sherman, the triangular craft and refrigerator shaped, and my conclusion is most certainly, in terms of observation of the essential shaping of the figures, the triangular forms and block shaped.

You could also consider the general scaling of the figures relative to the livestock often seen in some way associated, sometimes also smaller people, as the triangular craft has been described as around 40 feet in length, does that not correspond to the size of the figures seen...?

See beyond the superficial...



reply to post by Pearj


Yes there are no petroglyphs at Skinwalker ranch, all are from the greater Utah region or possibly even further as there are similar seen in Colorado and elsewhere.


reply to post by Baddogma


I'll believe you, thousands wouldn't, or so it often seems...

I don't see any aliens or flying machines here, but something that we can today reproduce in a lab. petroglyphs decoded

Colm Kelleher and George Knapp wrote the book Hunt for the Skinwalker. In that book they talk a bit about the box shaped craft. In Brazil they are known as Chupas. They have been reported at Skinwalker Ranch as well. They are said to emit a sound similar to a refrigerator, hence the name. Interesting to note that Vallee went to Brazil to investigate the Chupa flap because people were being injured by these things. His investigation revealed that at least five people were killed by these Chupas. A box shaped craft that wields a powerful beam of light.


ETA: its dealt with in chapter 7 if anyone wants to have a look see. Its the Colares flap that we have all heard so much about.

Vallee speculates that the beam of light may in fact be a pulsed microwave blast meant to stun people, not kill them, but at varying ranges may in fact be lethal.

One doctor in the area reported over 35 patients with these injuries.

reply to post by JayinAR


So it's more like a microwave oven than a refrigerator, that maybe helps, i do wonder though if what is seen is perceptual distortion anyway, sometimes in the Petroglyphs decidedly rectangular shaped cows are also seen, imagine if you chased after one of those and it hovered above ground and zapped you...@@

So my criteria here for starters was COULD the Utah petroglyphs be illustrating the flying phenomena as related by Sherman, the triangular craft and refrigerator shaped, and my conclusion is most certainly, in terms of observation of the essential shaping of the figures, the triangular forms and block shaped.

Speculation and personal interpretation. Intriguing, but I could look at it and have a completely different view, as could just about anyone looking at what is essentially abstract art. Please don't misunderstand my point, I like what your are doing, its just too open to loose interpretation.

It really would be amazing to have these glyphs be definitive diagrams to paranormal events witnessed by the Anasazi. I hope your right

hiii_98
Speculation and personal interpretation. Intriguing, but I could look at it and have a completely different view, as could just about anyone looking at what is essentially abstract art.

So, I was checking out your website and in the pic section I found the following. The text that accompanied the pic is included:

Nine mile canyon Petroglyph (near the ranch) depicts demon

Maybe you should take that down in light of your thoughts about "speculation & interpretation" here?

yes that was posted by me years ago. I have since changed my opinion after reviewing these for some time. Since then I have been recently shown by the locals how many of them had been defaced and some even crafted their own petroglyphs, which caused me to be even more skeptical of a "Skinwalker" connection. Keep in mind most of these glyphys are found on private property and are NOT federally protected.... the landowner or his friends, children, friends of friends ...really anyone can redraw them... add a forked tail... draw some horns ect... wah-lah Skinwalker demon. At least in regards to some of the Nine Mile Canyon drawings (which the one you have shown depicts)

Baddogma
reply to post by Kantzveldt

 

I would venture that they sure were trying to tell someone something... truer words were never typed, heh.

But what and who is the big ?

I admit I do like Red Cairo's idea about petroglyphs maybe being consciousness shorthand... for some reason it resonated with me ... I was an Anthro undergrad and have looked at too many of them... mostly in groups of three... but it's too weird for most to swallow, or even consider... but I have seen some weird "shamanic" things having to do with ESP and expanded consciousness.

It is true that these pics correspond to the spirit world as seen by cactus intoxicated aboriginals AND spectacle wearing modern nerds in white lab coats (sorry NIDs).

Spirals, wavy lines, spots and stick figures are shapes people say they see when they do those these "experiments" with chemicals. It's to do with the way the visual system synchronizes itself through gentle waves of neural activity. Due to the folding and creases of the brain combined with a particular region of the brain is used for, what may be a straight line across the surface will actually be perceived as a spiral or a geometric pattern. In image processing terms,

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Maybe they are prehistoric whiteboard presentations by a shaman, explaining to others (or maybe an apprentice) about what he sees?
"Oh these are orbs, you'll see them flying around you, those are just pollen, don't worry about the giant bugs either, they're just a side-effect from the heightened awareness - you're just seeing the original source of every bit of dust or pollen you breath in. They'll go away after a few minutes, then you'll see the shadow people. Just remain calm, they're very timid, you have to let them come up to you."

The funny thing is that In Europe, cave drawings were usually based on something practical like hunting food, with pictures of figures, animals, hills, valleys, human figures and weapons. It was almost like saying "Hunt here by digging a pit in this gap between the hills if you want to catch a buffalo".

reply to post by hiii_98



Well i guess art is one of those things were everyone's an 'expert', but if i was looking to have any sort of experience or 'contact' with the strange phenomena of the region those sites are the places i'd be heading, what is seen in the art will have relevance to the specific sites...but not that i would

These petroglyphs that were also seen on documentaries and shows on History such as 'Ancient aliens' and other TV channels are actually one credible clue that the depiction may really be encounter with foreign beings (whether outside the planet/dimension etc). This is what I call evidence worthy of investigation, especially with the high knowledge ancient people used to have which would have not come just out of nowhere, especially if humans were quite primitive primates and such.

Religious paintings debunked, there were some good explanations and I could agree were not UFOs. But the Nuremberg pic, and these ancient glyphs and of similar kind made by Native Americans are just from the good evidence of possible encounters.

reply to post by ImpactoR


Are you suggesting that the Native Americans were "primitive primates?"

long time lurker, first time poster. while I don't have any material relating to the Skinwalker ranch, I did spend quite some time living in Utah and have some photos of Ute Indian petroglyphs which should hopefully prove interesting!

forgive the less-then-professional quality, as these were all taken via my Android.

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all these photos originate from McConkie Ranch in Vernal, Utah; best known for the Three Kings.

proof of ancient alien intervention? I'd like to think so. no doubt plenty of the petroglyphs at McConkie very strongly resemble flying saucers, strange geometric patterns and otherworldly beings dressed in space age clothing. of the petroglyphs, one very interesting (and frustratingly futile to take a photograph of, unfortunately) panel depicts what appear to be two Ute priests interacting with two figures dressed in what appear to be protective hazmat suits, with glowing visors surrounded by glowing red auras.

reply to post by hiii_98


I respect your opinion about not looking into petroglyphs for "answers" but what is your take on the petroglyphs that were dynamited. It seems as though there was no rhyme or reason for said dynamiting other than to keep the bigger picture from us.

What is your understanding of the dynamiting of petroglyphs?

There is a documentary called "Angels, Aliens & UFO's (available on Netflix) at 32 minutes into the documentary it starts talking about the dynamiting of petroglyphs. Might be worth checking out. I tried to find it on YouTube but found it available also on amazon for 1.99

Kantzveldt
reply to post by hiii_98

 

Well i guess art is one of those things were everyone's an 'expert'

Art was my field of study and I'd hardly consider myself an expert....

Its worth noting that artists are inspired by what is prevalent during their time period. You have the Stone Age cave paintings like fertility gods and such, moving to Mesopotamia which provides narration in stone and art of warriors. Than on to Egyptian (self explanatory). From there we go to Greek and Hellenistic, etc, etc.

Each period reflects a way of think up through classical to modern day art. By understanding the theme you can understand the way of thinking for that time. So what's with all the ancient demons and vortex spirals from a time long past? There is more to ancient art than some give credit for. That said, interpretation is key and already stated, can vary by those who view it. Now there is a difference between someone who isn't familiar with the history of art and those who are. There is also a difference between art history majors who have an open mind to things and those who follow what they're told by history books.

So yes, interpretation is a bitch but it doesn't mean nothing can be gleamed from them.

Also worth noting that the petroglyphs of Hawaii are exceedingly similar to some petroglyphs in Utah.

For example:



This picture is from the petroglyphs field in Waikoloa, Hawaii. Notice the three "legs". Best anyone can tell is that it represents the umbilical cord ritual and the dots above the head supposedly represents the number of people in audience. That said, no one really knows for sure but interestingly the same symbol exists in Utah and represents a "lizard"... Curious and curiouser.

reply to post by SoldierCarryingHashbrowns


Thank you for sharing your photos. 2 of them really struck me:



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Why do these figures all have horns/Antenna?

How many humans do you see around you with that hallmark? I know none personally.

Star and Flag.

You got me curious on this one. Good thread.

Although, the pic does not need to be taken seriously. I'm just musing myself.

Rosinitiate

Kantzveldt
reply to post by hiii_98

 

Well i guess art is one of those things were everyone's an 'expert'

Art was my field of study and I'd hardly consider myself an expert....

Its worth noting that artists are inspired by what is prevalent during their time period. You have the Stone Age cave paintings like fertility gods and such, moving to Mesopotamia which provides narration in stone and art of warriors. Than on to Egyptian (self explanatory). From there we go to Greek and Hellenistic, etc, etc.

Each period reflects a way of think up through classical to modern day art. By understanding the theme you can understand the way of thinking for that time. So what's with all the ancient demons and vortex spirals from a time long past? There is more to ancient art than some give credit for. That said, interpretation is key and already stated, can vary by those who view it. Now there is a difference between someone who isn't familiar with the history of art and those who are. There is also a difference between art history majors who have an open mind to things and those who follow what they're told by history books.

So yes, interpretation is a bitch but it doesn't mean nothing can be gleamed from them.

Also worth noting that the petroglyphs of Hawaii are exceedingly similar to some petroglyphs in Utah.

For example:

This picture is from the petroglyphs field in Waikoloa, Hawaii. Notice the three "legs". Best anyone can tell is that it represents the umbilical cord ritual and the dots above the head supposedly represents the number of people in audience. That said, no one really knows for sure but interestingly the same symbol exists in Utah and represents a "lizard"... Curious and curiouser.

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It actually represents a plasma discharge event, and a freaking big one at that. The truth is WAY stranger and more horrifying than fiction!
PLease check the lnk for the pictures, I can't get them to load

Plasma Formations in the Ancient Sky

Plasma Formations in the Ancient Sky Plasma scientists are now comparing electrical discharge formations in the laboratory to rock art images around the world. Results in 2005 should confirm that immense and terrifying plasma configurations were seen in the sky of our ancestors. For over three decades Anthony Peratt, a leading authority on plasma phenomena, concentrated his laboratory research on the unstable formations that develop in high-energy electrical discharge. He recorded the evolution of these configurations through dozens of phases. Some of the most elaborate discharge forms are now called “Peratt Instabilities” because he was the first to document them. But Peratt’s most recent work has taken him in a new direction, and the results offer a remarkable link between plasma science and things once seen in the heavens. In September, 2000, in response to communication with David Talbott, Peratt became intrigued by the striking similarity of ancient rock art to the discharge formations he had documented. Suddenly he was seeing, carved on stone by the tens of thousands, the very forms he had observed in the laboratory. The correlation was so precise--down to the finest details--that it could not be accidental. The artists were recording heaven-spanning discharge formations above them. In his investigation of rock art themes, Peratt concentrated his field work in the American Southwest and Northwest, but he also gathered data internationally. For his on-site study he used GPS longitude and latitude positions, always noting the orientation and field of view. A team of about 30 volunteers, including specialists from several fields, assisted Peratt in the investigation, and he has since gathered more than 25,000 rock art images. The illustrations of one interesting formation—the “squatter man” shown above--are taken from Peratt's recent paper in "Transactions on Plasma Science" of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, in December 2003. Peratt states his conclusion forthrightly: The recurring petroglyph patterns "are reproductions of plasma phenomena in space". Peratt’s findings are particularly significant in their contrast to traditional explanations of rock art. The majority of rock art authorities, particularly those with primary interest in Native American sources, argue that only images of the sun, moon, and stars reflect actual celestial phenomena. Apart from such associations, most authorities claim that global patterns do not exist. Rather, they tell us, the ancient artists projected onto stone the subjective content of shamanistic trances. Peratt’s investigations say the opposite, and they confirm dozens of patterns of rock art that occur globally. Through massive labors, some apparently taking whole lifetimes according to Peratt, the artists recorded immense discharge phenomena in the heavens. The “squatter man” configuration depicted above occurs when a disk or donut-like torus around a linear discharge column is bent by magnetic fields induced by intense current flow. From the viewpoint of the observer, the edges of the upper disk may appear to point up (forming "arms") and those of the lower torus may appear to point down (forming "legs"). The underlying “hourglass” pattern, with many subtle variations, occurs around the world. To appreciate the evolution of this discharge configuration it is essential that one visualize it three dimensionally, as illustrated by the idealization above. The graphic image on the upper left utilizes a tonal gradient to indicate the structure of a translucent plasma discharge, where this structure would not be self evident in a rendition carved on rock. The key here is to recognize that rotating the configuration on its axis would not change the basic form or appearance to the observer. This fact will not be evident, however, in a simple carving on rock. To make the point, the accompanying image converts the illustration into black and white, which represents the way the configuration would likely appear in a stone carving. Our idealization shows slight variations between the upward-pointing and downward-pointing components, consistent with common variations in the laboratory and in rock art. The upper “champagne glass” form results from a distortion of a disk as the edges curve upward. In the warping of the disk below, the downward curvature is interrupted at the extremity, which bends outward to create a “squashed bell” appearance. The rock art images shown above include other variations as well. Sometimes, the “arms” and “legs” of the “squatter man” are horizontal, while at other times they are more squared than in our graphic representation, but both variations are characteristic of intense plasma discharge. Our idealization of the hourglass discharge form accents the visual relationship of the two symmetrical dots or circles to a transparent doughnut-like torus, viewed edge on. But many other nuances of such discharge configurations must be taken into account. The warping of the upward and downward extremities of the hourglass for

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reply to post by Rosinitiate



Those type of Petroglyphs do occur in Utah as you say, they extend right down into central America and out into the Pacific, my understanding of the sign is that it is a birth giving Goddess and relates to the constellation Canis Major, an idea i developed here from looking at examples from Ecuador, were it is in relationship to figures representing Orion.









Native American traditions with regards to Sirius and Orion are very complex, there is generally understood as being an eye/ear hole located at Orion through which souls migrate, the mothman creates the spiral vortex that facilitates this, the web of the spider guards the entrance.

The nature of the whirlwind, which whizzes around in circles, effects a power that can do the same to the mind, rendering the enemy confused and disoriented, It is no wonder, then, that the Sioux god Whirlwind is a deity of chance, games, and most particularly love.16 The moth is a natural exemplar of the vortex, since it circles a flame in a tightening spiral, and some species of moths also spiral downward to escape bats. Another predator of moths, the spider, is in an obscure way involved with the whirlwind. In Lakota apotropaic designs, the spider silk web indicates the whirlwind as much as does the silk cocoon. This may be because both the web and the whirlwind are circular, and form a trap.


The eye of the gods can be reborn on earth as Ear because light is strongly analogous to sound. In Hočąk symbolism sound stands for light. Wears White Feather, for instance, who is the star Sirius, has a living loon for his headdress, a bird that makes a loud call that expresses the brightness of the star. The fact that both light and sound are waves makes them radiate from a center outward in every direction. They vary in amplitude and wave length, and just as light is seen in colors, so sound is heard in pitch. This well appreciated isomorphism allows the ear to stand as a symbol not only for sound, but for light. Thus the offspring of the solar Eye of the World is Ear



...this coincides with the web of the spider who guards the hole in the sky, and on whose back is frequently displayed the cross or even the circled cross. This comports well with what we would expect given the spider's presumed supervision of that center from which the transmigration of souls takes place. On the Hidatsa model, Spider Man controls the hole in Orion through which these souls travel. It is this hole which Morning Star tears in two and displays on his Hyades-shaped, bifurcated tail.

Rise of the Morning Star


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Thanks for those some nice examples, particularly with regards to the spirals. In some of those there are lines radiating outward, in a sunlight manner, the easy answer is always that it is the Sun, but of course not necessarily so.

reply to post by Rosinitiate


You do realize that many native american tribes utilized head dresses with horns?



I really think this is a stretch. People can read whatever they like into such carvings or cave paintings. The reality is that we don't know what the creators intent was. They could be recording ceremonial dress and rituals (which is what most of these images look like to me), dreams, visions induced by hallucinogenic herbs/plants/fungi, depictions of their religious and/or spiritual ideas and myths, etc. Combine all of that with the fact that we are dealing with a primitive people who had no advanced artistic skills, and the box like figures really aren't all that remarkable. In fact, that's how I used to draw people when I was 4. It's nothing but wild speculation to suggest these are primitive depictions of aliens.

For instance, this is what I see:



This clearly looks like ceremonial attire to me. In the next image, we see almost identical features: Head dresses, Necklaces, earrings, etc, with one difference:



We can see the bottom part of the figures more clearly. What are they wearing? Loin cloths. Why would aliens be running around on a foreign planet wearing necklaces and loin cloths?

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There is obviously cultural personification of the figurative archetypes to differing degrees, they interest me more when they tend most toward the abstract, at no point have i suggested those figures do represent aliens surprising as that may seem