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That is not what I am talking about, a lodge having a talk about esoteric subjects of an evening ie guest speaker who may or may not be a mason...
"esoteric ritual" practiced by a room full of masons and since you are able to attend these rituals in various lodges it is open to all masons then?
Ok meaning the ritual initiations .
Change the ritual, and the Order would no longer be the same Order, even if everything else remained the same.
That is what happened to Freemasonry, modern speculative masonry is only a shadow of operative masonry, a bit like a fruit from which all the juice was sucked only leaving the worthless and dry husk.
In order for you do know this and be able to prove it, you would have to have some evidence of what was taught to ancient masons.
Speculative masonry exists for a specific purpose. It's lessons are taught the same way they have been so the message isn't lost.
If you pay attention to the rituals, you learn that first in the First degree lecture, and then in the Third degree second section ritual. But you would have to be a member to see it and understand it. Which is why it amuses us when a non member tries to explain masonry definitively.
So your not talking about
1: attending other lodges to be part of the initiation ritual team on initiation nights or to be a member of the viewing audience.
And how did these candidates become qualified on esoterica? who initiated them so that they are in possession of these teachings.
Anyone can create a ritual to impart a teaching but if you don't have the teaching in the first place then your not qualified to hide it in a ritual.
These extra initiations you are creating are intended to be taken when, effectively creating more initiation rituals will produce more degrees of initiation (more then 32)
So essentially you are saying those who passed the degrees and have managed to interpret them correctly may be invited to take these additional degrees?
Since the rituals have been mutilated these people essentially would have had to acquire their knowledge elsewhere which is quite amusing, they are being used to rescue modern Freemasonry. If the knowledge was already in the rituals of the 32 degrees there would be no need to create additional ones.
Many of the rituals are now out in the open so I am free to examine them and determine their content. I am also free to examine older rituals of operative masonry and observe if something has been removed.
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So all the mystery schools taught the same stuff?