Adamski Revisited

My bet is still on German propaganda...there are numerous fakes out there in this genre of German UFOs, to play upon the Allies fears of "foo fighters" being top secret German weaponry.

Quite frankly, if they DID have such technolgy, we'd all be speaking German right now....

The pictures just posted look pretty much faked to me.A grey-brown hue is deliberately added to give the impression it's old.Stories about German flying saucers didn't really surface untill the late 60's, before that there were only a few comments, some in relation to the Foo Fighter phenomena.
Supposedly a whole range of German scientists developed different series and types of flying saucers, yet none have been reproduced after the war.
Did you by any chance look at the 'characteristics' of the Haunebu II? Supposedly it flew 6000KpH and even had 'ray-guns', KSK stands 'krahl straft kanone' if I'm not mistaken.So this craft went fast and was well-armed.Look at the date, 7 November 1943.'They' already tested and knew what the craft could do, otherwise you don't know the characteristics.Such a machine could have easily won the war for the Germans if they would have taken it into production.But nothing, that's why I have such a hard time accepting it.

Many technical concept plans can have approximated performance characteristics... Not saying it's authentic, just pointing that out... Don't forget that some attempts at Nazi saucer craft are fairly well documented through identified papers....but of course, they are similar to some of our failures on that front as well...everything from using rockets, rotors, and jets, to propellers, etc.

Still, we're getting a little off topic here...

I think I'm going to embark on a project some time over the holidays, and see if I can find both his original story (in '49), and his first book, and see how the two compare... We already know the general subject matter is similar (i.e. meeting aliens from Venus and going to the moon and Venus), so it'd be interesting to see the similarities and differences between the two...as one is admitted fiction, and the other, supposed fact.

Ok, back on topic.

While it is true that some people recanted their support for Adamski other people did not, even after they had a falling out with him.C.A. Honey was one of them.A ghostwriter and associate of Adamski, he even witnessed events first hand.He also commented that he had seen stronger material for Adamski's case but that it remained in the vault.The answer he got 'was that the time wasn't ready'.Later on even a lawsuit transpired between Adamski and Honey because the latter started publishing Adamski material by himself, this was some time after they went on their seperate ways.Nonetheless Honey still supports Adamski's original claims but also readily admits that later on things went wrong.

Laura Mundo, another associate of Adamski has a similar story to tell.Although she didn't like him, she started experiencing matters first hand.Excerpts from her article;

"I first met Adamski in march 1954 at the Detroit
train depot when he arrived from California to lecture
for the first Detroit-Adamski committee, with me
handling the unprecedented pioneering promoting of
the lecture itself. Adamski drew in his breath sharply
when he met me and I knew he had met his opposite
polarity. I had to fight personality-wise to survive all
the time I escorted him about locally to radio, tv and
newspaper interviews, or introduced him from the
platform. He was a male chauvinist and tried to push
me into a corner whenever he could, which I learned
not to allow. He began to discuss me unflatteringly
behind my back. Which always got back to me, of
course, and he insulted women in general, and me
in particular whenever he could.

Despite that I went on to promote his out-of-town
lectures for several years and in time I had my own
proof beyond my intuition, of his authenticity.
The same type of bell-like saucer he had photographed
over his home in California came over my home in
Dearborn, Michigan, later in 1954. Later a small
electronic disk came down across the street from
my house one night when I was sitting on the porch.
Picking up my atomic vibrations which the spacepeople
(from a mother ship up high out of sight remotely
controlling the disk) do when they want to keep track of
you. Later a message (vocal) came over a mobile amateur
radio set-up telling me they were aware of my efforts to
help prepare their coming, and that "time is short!"
when I had been underway for a while I got a phone
call in the middle of the night from the three men in
black warning me to get out of civilian saucer research
because I had come too close to the truth!

I have had other saucer sightings since then but they
dimmed by importance when I became aware of the
space people amongst us trying to help us to help
ourselves as all comes to a climax rapidly. If we watch
the weather and other planetary developments, the
sunspot acceleration, the instability of our money
system (which will go also, along with other changes;
it does not exist on the other planets, spacepeople
have said keeping god from helping us as it would,
especially a disasters increase on the planet),
difficulties in governments, and general world-wide
upheaval, you will know how close the planetary
change-over is.

If you are so busy telling every one about the more
advanced, physical, visible space people coming to
help us in their physical ships, you will find yourself
at the right place. That is the only advice that one
can give.

There will be much that will try to come into your
mind that will try to convince you otherwise, but
release all to pre-being (god). You want to be only
where God wants you to be, don't you? Or where it
knows you qualify to be, spiritually.

And that is when you will meet space people,
face-to-face (don't settle for anything else!!)..because
they are trying to do the same thing..since so many
earth people who have the understanding to inform
the public as the planetary/sunspot peak nears,
are not doing so.

In the radio message that came to me from a spaceman
in september, 1954, he said "time is short!" but now,
short days, weeks, months, overnight?

We can only suggest that you keep our advice based
on our experiences in mind as unprecedented
developments might occur in your life in the days to
come. Because Adamski may have been a rogue in
his younger days before meeting Orthon, and I am
an attractive glamor girl with my share of masculine
attention doesnt make the roles we play today any
the less authentic and worthy of consideration;
somebody had to play them. Just consider yourself
lucky that you did not have to do so, or perhaps
didnt owe it to God, or did not qualify, but dont
ignore them, either."

May, 1981 Laura Mundo

Don't you find it awkward that people in proximity of Adamski start witnessing matters for themselves?

Regards,
TerraX

[edit on 24-11-2004 by TerraX]

Don't you find it awkward that people in proximity of Adamski start witnessing matters for themselves?

Not really...delusion through association is fairly common in cult-like groups....

Time was short in '45 eh? I don't know about the spacemen, but over half a century later...isn't considered "short" in my book, hehe...and we're still waiting....

Curious how a male chauvinist was so well-received by Venusian women, no?

Originally posted by Gazrok

Don't you find it awkward that people in proximity of Adamski start witnessing matters for themselves?

Not really...delusion through association is fairly common in cult-like groups....

Time was short in '45 eh? I don't know about the spacemen, but over half a century later...isn't considered "short" in my book, hehe...and we're still waiting....

Curious how a male chauvinist was so well-received by Venusian women, no?

Hah, delusion through association. That was on the top of my list when Indigo_Child asked for the most foolish sceptic explanations. You just had to pick'm.Indigo also stated that some people need an authority making conclusions for them, Indigo seems correct in that regard and my respect for that person has increased.
Saying it's a 'cult-thing' doesn't fly.True, some people witnessed things while they were friends with Adamski, others didn't belong in the category of friends.And again Gazrok, here's the account of 3 police officers seeing the same thing Adamski photographed, were they part of the cult? Btw, are cops trained obervers?

Timothy Good - Above Top Secret (page 115-116)

Structured UFO Encountered by Three Police Officers

""On a January night in 1978 Sergeant Tony Dodd and Police Constable Alan Dale were driving in the vicinity of Cononley, near Skipton, Yorkshire, in their official line of duty, when a strange aerial machine came into view.'We were going down a country lane,' Sergeant Dodd told me, 'and you know what it's like up there - it was dark - and the only light you've got is your headlights.Suddenly the road in front of us lit up.Of course, the immediate reaction is, where's the light coming from? But it was coming from above.We stopped the car, looked up, and there was this thing coming from our
right to our left.' The object was about 100 feet away, moving at less than 40 mph.'It was glowing; like a bright white incandescent glow, and it came right over our heads,' the police sergeant recalled.'The whole unit was glowing.It was as if the metal of what this thing was made of was white hot.And there were these three great spheres underneath, like huge ball-bearings - three of them equally placed around it.There was a hollow area underneath and like a skirting around the bottom, but these things protruded below that. 'It was absolutely awe-inspiring to see it.I don't know how to explain it to you - it was such a beautiful-looking thing.It seemed to have portholes round the dome - an elongated domed area.And what stood out more than anything else was the coloured lights dancing round on the outside of the skirt at the bottom...which gave the visual impression that it was rotating.Now whether the thing was going round, or whether it was just the lights that were going round and give that impression, I don't know.I would say it was the lights that were going round because, when you were looking at the portholes, they didn't seem to be going round in a circle as you would have expected.'The object was completely soundless. 'When the thing had passed over our heads it sort of went into the distance then suddenly appeared to come down: there's a big wood to our left, right on a distant hillside, and it appeared to go down in that wood,' said Sergeant Dodd, who added that a third police officer had seen the object. 'We carried on along this road and as we got towards the village we could see these lights coming towards us from the other direction - it was another police car.We stopped, and he said, "I've just been watching this damn great UFO, and it seems to have come right down somewhere over here!"'' The three spheres seen under the craft have been observed in a number of incidents, most notably by the much vilified George Adamski, whose photographs and film of this type of craft taken in 1952 and 1965 have been ridiculed and denounced as hoaxes.I have spent enough time with Tony Dodd to know he is completely sincere, and the fact that a highly unusual and silent machine was seen by three police officers must surely count as compelling evidence in the search for proof of UFO reality.""

Time short in '45? I don't know what you're talking about.If you're bend on taking the negative approach the least you can do is get the facts straight, that way I get the impression you're being serious and trying to make a real effort.The year was 1954.

"Curious how a male chauvinist was so well-received by Venusian women, no?" Have you ever met a woman who thought the same thing of you?

I wonder why some people set the 'standard' so immensly high in ufology.Suddenly eyewitness testimonies aren't that convincing enough.Strange, if a person would steal something from your house when you're not at home and somebody in your street would witness the theft and i.d. the perputrator, you'd be more then happy to use that in order to catch the guy and recover your property.Persons have been convicted in court solely by eyewitness testimonies but in ufology those same testimonies are pretty much downgraded and suddenly not good enough.

What also happens in ufology is that a persons character is targeted.If a person lied then prosecution for that is not far away.Especially contactees suffer the full brunt.Strange, in other walks of life persons have also told outright lies but in the end didn't suffer at all for it.Let me give you an example.Jim Morrison, lead singer of The Doors, lied to the press by saying his father had died when in fact he was still alive.Nowdays Jim Morrison is only remembered for his music and outrageous lifestyle which most fans view with a sense of admiration.He's not remembered for telling a big lie.
Another example.President Bush didn't exactly tell the truth when it came to the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction program, now did he? This was the premise for going to war and it still hasn't turned out to be truthful.Yet this didn't stop 55 million Americans re-electing him.

Now why does the standard change so radically in ufology? People can do some self-digging on that one.

Timothy Good is regarded as one of most thorough researchers out there in the field.His book 'Above Top Secret' was on the nr.1 spot of the bestsellers list for many weeks.He's one of the few people that can make a living doing full-time ufo research but if you have read Above Top Secret, you'd see where all the work went into.That book is filled with reports, sightings and released documents under the Freedom Of Information Act which clearly shows governments interests behind the scenes.

Good also looked into the 'contactee phenomena' and perhaps shocking for some reaches the conclusion that something did indeed happen to certain contactees.His book 'Alien Base' is filled with such accounts.Both sides of the coin are addressed, negative as well as positive aspects are listed to inform the reader.Perhaps surprisingly Good doesn't dismiss all of Adamski's claims, he acknowledges that certain elements were mostlikely untrue yet other elements, after thorough research, seem to be genuine.

Another important factor why he thinks that Adamski was partially telling the truth can be found in the book Alien Base.Before embarking on ufo research, Timothy Good was a violin player for the London Philharmonic Orchestra and on tour in the U.S.When he was in California for a show he decided to look up Adamski at Palomar Gardens and check out for himself what this person was all about.Good probably had read some or one of his books.Due to the travelling schedule he couldn't make it, there wasn't enough time.In a restaurant in California, Timothy Good was having lunch when he noticed a woman whom reminded him of one of women Adamski had described in his book.Probably having read a little bit on telepathy to, Good decided right then and there to do a little experiment.In his mind he formulated the question "are you an alien?" and directed it towards the woman.He saw that the woman responded by walking over to his table where he was sitting and stopped right before him, next she bowed and smiled at him.She walked over to another table and sat down with a 'dead-pan expression', as Timothy Good put it.

Why do some people still claim some of Adamski's claims were true? Simple actually, seeing is believing.

Are there any photos of the aliens?

Other thing, where can I found any videos? I searched, but found nothing.

Originally posted by Peronemlin

Are there any photos of the aliens?

Other thing, where can I found any videos? I searched, but found nothing.

Hi Peronemlin,

Frank E. Stranges, who also claimed to have been in contact with people from 'Venus', allegedly photographed some of them.However they look completely human.Howard Menger, another contactee also claimed to have photographed some.
www.galactic-server.com...
www.algonet.se...

Adamski's film from 1965 can be viewed on the following link, under 19-videos, nr 4
www.universe-people.com...

The following link is a 'pay-site' for ufo films, sadly.I've tried hard to find additional films by Adamski and Menger and this pay-site unfortunately has them.
ufo411.com...
(! Just checked, the site is off-line for the moment, hopefully it'll return soon.)

Hi,

Thanks for the links. As for the alien pictures, as you said, they look completely human, the pictures proove nothing. Something I didn�t realized until now. How can they be from Venus? That planet can�t possible held human-like life...

The video looks strange. What really impressed me was the fact that the UFO keeps changing its shape. I�m not saying I believe it to be real, but I can�t think a way to produce that effect...maybe someone has any ideas?
Also, it looks like hanging from a string (although you can�t see the string) and it looks too small compared to the trees behind it.

It's not uncommon that the ETs, in some cases, look completely human.Sometimes minor differences can be noted.The ETs Adamski described looked like basic Earth people, different hair colors, normal sized bodies, different tans, with the exception that some had a higher forehead.Strangely this last physical observation has been reported by other witnesses during a close encounter, these witnesses were nowhere near Adamski.The report by E.A. Bryant is one of those and there are more.(I'll post them here shortly.) If you read many books on contacts you'll see that some aliens look really out of this world but others are remarkably similar which causes some people to believe there's a genetic link.

The Adamski film has caused quite some controversy.The other witness present, Madeleine Rodeffer, still claims till this day that it was genuine and not a model.The underside of the craft seems to 'transform', practically impossible to do with a model.One of the 'ball-landing-gears' seems to retract up the craft and come down again.The film has some intriquing aspects yet this didn't stop some die-hard sceptics to come up with the most silly and unfounded explanations such as a model was filmed in a distorting mirror.There has been some research done on the film by a qualified Kodak engineer, if you like I can post an excerpt of it.The result however wasn't conclusive.

On 20 August 1954, two well-educated sisters, 24 year old Edith
Jacobsen and 32 year old Asta Solvang, claimed to have met an
extra-ordinary man and his flying machine near their home town
of Mosjoen in northern Norway.
It was a sunny afternoon and the women were picking
berries.Suddenly they saw a man in the distance whom they
assumed at first to be another berry picker.'We walked towards
him and wondered who he was', recounted Edith Jacobson.

"As we got near him he smiled and stretched out his hand.I, too,
smiled and held out my hand, but he only brushed my palm with
his.Then he began to talk, but we didn't understand a word.It
didn't resemble any language I had heard or studied.The
stranger's language was very soft and melodious.It seemed to
have a few consonants and no gutturals at all.
When we gathered that the man must be a foreigner from some
distant country we took a closer look at him.He was of medium
height, had pleasant, regular features and long hair with a
natural wave.He was rather dark.We didn't notice the colour of
his eyes, but I believe they were slightly oblique.His hands were
beautifull and expressive, with fine long fingers; rather like the
hands I imagined a fine pianist would have.He wore no rings.
He was clothed in a kind of overall, but as he wore a broad belt it
could have been trousers and a blouse.The blouse fitted closely
at the neck, but was otherwise loose.I could not see any buttons,
zippers or fastenings.We didn't notice how he was shod."

What impressed the women particularly was the genuine
friendliness the stranger emanated, giving them a sense of
security.When it became evident that they did not understand
each other, the man produced what they 'took for granted' to be
paper and pencil and drew some circles, pointing out over the
moor and then at the sisters, then pointing at himself and
another drawn circle.'I had at once the impression that he
wanted to tell us something about the solar system,' said
Jacobson, 'but perhaps I was mistaken.'
The man then motioned to the sisters to follow him and turned
and walked out along the fen.They followed, and not far away
saw a curious contraption parked on the ground.

"It was grey-blue and looked like two giant pot-lids placed
together.It was about 10 feet in diameter and about 4,5 feet in
height.Because the man was still so calm and convincingly
friendly we were still not afraid, even though we thought this a
very curious thing to find in the wilds.We approached the thing,
but he made a sign that we were not to come too close.He then
opened a kind of hatch on the top of the 'rim' which encircled the
thing, crawled in and shut himself in.
Presently, we heard a faint humming, like the droning of a large
bumble-bee, and the curious vessel rose slowly while rotating
on its own axis.Then, and only then, did all I had read about flying
saucers come to my mind.When the saucer reached about 100
feet it hovered for a moment and then started rotating very
fast.Finally it rose at tremendous speed and disappeared."

The sisters agreed not to discuss the incident with anyone, but
eventually Asta told her husband and the story spread around
the community.A reporter asked to be taken to the site of the
landing.No traces were found.Subsequently, the women were
ridiculed and harassed.'The whole thing is so fantastic that I can
readily understand why people who have known me all my life
refuse to believe me,' said Edith Jacobson.Finn Nostrom, who
interviewed the sisters, found no discrepancies in their
accounts.Other journalists confirmed that all the people they
spoke with in the town of Mosjoen found it diffecult to believe that
the sisters would have invented such a story.
It is of course possible that, owing to its remarkable similarity to
George Adamski's description of his 'Venusian' in Flying
Saucers Have Landed, the sisters could have invented their
story; however, as Gordon Creighton pointed out, although many
features in their account of the pilot are identical with those
described by Adamski,'when they come to describe the UFO it is
not Adamski's but a contraption "like two gaint pot-lids placed
together"'.

Source: Timothy Good - Alien Base

[edit on 26-11-2004 by TerraX]

And again Gazrok, here's the account of 3 police officers seeing the same thing Adamski photographed, were they part of the cult? Btw, are cops trained obervers?

Funny, I don't remember the police officers stating the occupants were from Venus, and said, "Hey, do you know our pal Adamski?"...

Three "engined" UFOs are (again) very common in UFO folklore...so their sighting resembling Adamski's description is not all that remarkable. They are not claiming that Adamski is correct. It was just a remark by the author to help illustrate the UFO described in the case. It doesn't mean he's trying to justify Adamski's claims necessarily. Even if it did, it's a pretty thin straw to compare such a sighting to Adamski's claims.

Time short in '45? I don't know what you're talking about.If you're bend on taking the negative approach the least you can do is get the facts straight, that way I get the impression you're being serious and trying to make a real effort.The year was 1954.

Damned dislexic typing...of course, we're still looking at half a century here...


BTW, thanks for the video link, been a long time since I've seen that... I needed a good chuckle... Do all Venusians fly drunk? Of course, I'm sure the old "distortion field" will come out to play, but the edges of the model are fairly well defined for such a field to be very plausible here....

Three "engined" UFOs are (again) very common in UFO folklore...so their sighting resembling Adamski's description is not all that remarkable. They are not claiming that Adamski is correct. It was just a remark by the author to help illustrate the UFO described in the case. It doesn't mean he's trying to justify Adamski's claims necessarily. Even if it did, it's a pretty thin straw to compare such a sighting to Adamski's claims.

Hey Gazrok.
So 3 "engined" UFOs are common but *shrug* they don't give any credence to Adamski's case who 'sorta' took many pictures of them and had witnesses, that don't mean nothing.Weird, it's either a 'cult thing', models, fake photographs and false claims, or the 'Adamski craft' has been sighted and is common (your words).Your reasoning displays the 'lights in the sky' barrier.You can accept UFOs have been sighted by a lot of people but what comes next meets much resistance.You don't have to feel ashamed about it, many people have that barrier.Somehow it's diffecult to phatom that those 'lights in the sky' are actually intelligently controled.
Personally I think a connection is there when independant 'outside' source confirms what Adamski first described.Definately.

BTW, thanks for the video link, been a long time since I've seen that... I needed a good chuckle... Do all Venusians fly drunk?

Of course, I'm sure the old "distortion field" will come out to play, but the edges of the model are fairly well defined for such a field to be very plausible here....

I don't know if they fly drunk but I bet they took a drink now and then after seeing all the garbage that has been written about them.Btw Gazrok, can light bend around a high gravity source? Yeppers.
There are even rumours that the Army/Navy are making theoritical concepts of bending light around their respective vehicles in order to camouflage it.But by all means, wait till your told what is the truth.

It was about 16.45 on 21 October 1954, a beautiful, if cold and
frosty day.Jessie Roestenburg's husband was at work for the
Staffordshire County Education Department, her two sons were
still at school, and she was at home at Vicarage Farm Cottage in
Ranton, Staffordshire (UK), with her little girl and the dog.
'I took my little girl out for a walk, as usual,' Jessie recalled.'I
had to light fire so I could make the evening meal.( We had no
running water or electricity and it was hard going.) I started to get
washed and changed in the outhouse, when I heard this noise,
a sort of hiss like when a blacksmith puts hot iron into water but
much louder.I thought it was a plane crashing.

"I was worried because the boys hadn't got home from school as
they should have done by then.I went out to see what was
happening and to my amazement they were lying flat on the
ground.They shouted to me: 'Mummy, there's a flying saucer!' I
said what any mother would say:'Don't be silly!' But they were as
white as sheets so I could see there was something wrong.
Then I found I wasn't in control of myself.I walked up to the water
pump in the garden and turned round, but it was as though
somebody else was making me do it.I wanted to look at the boys
and ask them if they were all right, but I couldn't.Then I saw,
suspended in the air, a massive disc, bright silver and shaped
like a Mexican hat.In the middle was a tubular light going round
very slowly.It had a dome, like glass, and inside it were two
beings looking down at us.They were the most beautiful people I
have seen, but they weren't human.
Their foreheads were large in proportion to the rest of their faces
and they had long golden hair.I could only see them from the
chest upwards, and they were wearing what looked like vivid
blue polo neck jumpers and what looked like fish bowls over
their heads."

The craft was hovering at a tilted angle.Jessie Roestenburg
recalls that although the figures looked like women, she felt sure
they were men.They gazed down at the witnesses with a
seemingly stern, though compassionate expression.'I couldn't
move.I was absolutely paralysed.I wasn't frightened at that stage
but I was mesmerized.It seemed to last for ages but it could only
be for a few minutes.I felt all the tension go from me and I felt a
sense of peace I have never felt since.'

"I asked the boys if they had seen the same thing and they said
yes.We ran into the field to see if we could still see it and I
thought it had gone but one of the boys said: 'Look, there it is.' It
circled the cottage and then shot up vertically and disappeared.
By now we were scared to death.We went into the cottage where
I locked all the doors and hid under the table until my husband
came home."

When Tony Roestenburg arrived home, Jessie told him what
had happend.'I could see he didn't believe me.He questioned
the boys seperately and decided to report it to the police.The
whole of Ranton had never seen so many policemen.We had
people from all over the place, newspapers, the lot.'
Jessie's health began to deteriorate.'I went to see my doctor,
who had read about what happend,' she said, 'but he just
thought I was round the twist.I insisted on seeing a psychiatrist
and he said: "There is nothing wrong with your mind but you do
need to go to the hospital." He took me himself and they did a
blood count.It was so low they couldn't understand how I was
still alive.They said they wouldn't be surprised if I was suffering
from radiation sickness.For a while, I was in a terrible mess but
gradually I got better.'

'To this day I don't know what they were,' she told reporter Neil
Thomas in 1996.'I don't believe they wanted to do us any
harm.They are far more intelligent than we are.We must have
looked a pitiful sight, standing there next to a water pump while
they were in a space ship.'

Source: Timothy Good - Alien Base

Hey Gazrok.
So 3 "engined" UFOs are common but *shrug* they don't give any credence to Adamski's case who 'sorta' took many pictures of them and had witnesses, that don't mean nothing.

No, they do...but... Adamski's pie in the sky trips to Venus (who the hell goes to Venus but forgets their camera?) etc. blow it all to hell.

I can accept the idea of aliens interacting with humans. I can even accept the idea that perhaps they'd pick one person to initiate contact with.

What I CANNOT accept, is the idea that such a person would not take pictures of the interior of such craft, or pictures of visiting Venus, the moon, etc. to thus prove their claim. I also can't accept that if the aliens were allowing such a contact to film them, that they for some unknown reason, cannot allow a CLEAR film of the ship flying (and not in such a way as a model suspended from a string, such as in the Adamski and Meier videos), and then landing, with the occupants then coming out, as well as the interior of the ship. Sorry, but it reeks of bull... I also find it hard to believe that aliens would initiate such contact, only to not reveal themselves to all soon afterwards. Obviously, they have no problem with publicity, as such "contacts" put forth numerous books, etc...so why so camera shy? The reason? It's a con job...pure and simple.

I can accept the idea of aliens interacting with humans. I can even accept the idea that perhaps they'd pick one person to initiate contact with.

Hmm, you fooled me at times but nevermind.

What I CANNOT accept, is the idea that such a person would not take pictures of the interior of such craft, or pictures of visiting Venus, the moon, etc. to thus prove their claim. I also can't accept that if the aliens were allowing such a contact to film them, that they for some unknown reason, cannot allow a CLEAR film of the ship flying (and not in such a way as a model suspended from a string, such as in the Adamski and Meier videos), and then landing, with the occupants then coming out, as well as the interior of the ship. Sorry, but it reeks of bull... I also find it hard to believe that aliens would initiate such contact, only to not reveal themselves to all soon afterwards. Obviously, they have no problem with publicity, as such "contacts" put forth numerous books, etc...so why so camera shy? The reason? It's a con job...pure and simple.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if Adamski had taken black&white photographs of the interior of a ship.Perhaps some people would have reacted by saying "nice movie-set" or something of that nature.I guess there'll always be scepticism no matter what.
But it is a fair question.Why didn't Adamski take pictures of the ETs? From what I read he wasn't allowed to for various reasons, meaning the ETs didn't want to be photographed.While I understand that for a person like yourself this is probably not good enough, there are a lot people who wouldn't be
reluctant to view the ETs as saviors or start worshipping them for their wisdom.In a religion dominated world this isn't a farfetched notion.So I'm afraid the world is a bit bigger then mine or your standards Gazrok.
If you recall, the Adamski case started in the 50's.I wonder if the time was right back then for full disclosure.Do you have the same opinion? Would we here on Earth be vonurable, or in other words would there be side-effects to the disclosure of the ET reality? Could all people take it with no problem whatsoever?
In my opinion, the contactee phenomena is there to let us gradually get used to the idea of UFO's and ET's, that partially explains why they're camera shy and no definative proof is delivered.Discussion boards like this one show the ET's quite nicely just how ready we are for contact.When the time is right, proof beyond a doubt will be delivered but the majority of this planet has to be ready for that.

Originally posted by TerraX
From what I read he wasn't allowed to for various reasons...
In my opinion, the contactee phenomena is there to let us gradually get used to the idea of UFO's and ET's, that partially explains why they're camera shy and no definative proof is delivered.

There�s something I don�t understand here. In case the spaceships were real, all those detailed pictures and films wouldn�t be a definite proof?

And what proof could be the release of these ET�s pictures? They are supposed to look like human...it wouldn�t be much disturbing.

If ET were not allowed to be photographed, at least I would like to see a picture of a landed UFO with Adamski next to it, to proove they were real sized and not models...but there�s nothing like that.

There�s something I don�t understand here. In case the spaceships were real, all those detailed pictures and films wouldn�t be a definite proof?

Sure they would be proof, yet on the other hand it depends on the people who accept it or not.( And as I mentioned before, the ET's could have inserted false material so that the person researching the case can make up their mind either way.It's not so outlandish, just look at this board how certain people handle certain information.)

And what proof could be the release of these ET�s pictures? They are supposed to look like human...it wouldn�t be much disturbing.

Unless 'out of this world' physical characteristics are shown in a photographs, there wouldn't be much disturbance and people can always say; "well, that doesn't look like an alien".On the other hand there are a few pictures out there which supposedly shows a Grey, how are those received? There's always controversy, no matter what.

If ET were not allowed to be photographed, at least I would like to see a picture of a landed UFO with Adamski next to it, to proove they were real sized and not models...but there�s nothing like that.

Au contraire, mon Peronemlin.To my knowledge Adamski didn't produce a photograph of an ET standing beside his craft.Howard Menger, another contactee supposedly involved with the same people, ...did.The picture is in B&W and taken in the dark so not very sharp.Nevertheless it's intriquing.Go to;
www.universe-people.com...
under 6 - almost 2000 images
black and white pictures
-> nr 035a