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posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 03:31 AM
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Excerpts from the Glenn Steckling interview;


Glenn Steckling head of G.A.F. International/Adamski Foundation[gafintl@a...] P.O.1722 Vista, CA 92085 U.S.A. answer some questions

Q: I would like to know when and how you got involved with the Adamski Foundation, was it before or after you had seen a flying saucer?

A: My parents - Born in Germany - witnessed both Saucer and Cigar shaped UFO's during the war years and my father already tracked such worldwide sightings on a large planetary map. In 1960 we immigrated to the United States and again witnessed several sightings during our travels. One such dramatic sighting was in the spring of 1963 - a Bell shaped Saucer hovering clearly visible between one and two thousand feet directly overhead in Downtown Washington D.C. More than 30 other witness were present including a newspaper reporter who published the account the next day in the "Washington Daily News." [original article is in our archives] Upon seeing this type of craft so close, my father researched and found the exact duplicate photographed by George Adamski. This lead to contact and eventual direct association with George until his death in two years later in 1965. During this time we had the honor of shared experiences and sightings while in his company. Ever since Adamski's passing, we have been involved in the Foundation. In the mid 1970's, my father shared directorship with Mrs. Alice Wells - a long time associate and also witness to the Desert Center meeting of 1952. He served as sole Director after Mrs. Wells passing in the early 1980's and upon my fathers passing in 1991, my mother and I - along with numerous dedicated volunteers, continue this work and now jointly administer the Foundation. Therefore one could say, I have been immersed in this field my entire life.

Q: Have you ever seen a "Venusian Saucer" if so when and where? Were you alone? Are you a relative to Fred Steckling? the author of "We Discovered Alien Bases On the Moon"

A: Yes, several times, in several locations. Typically in the company of others but sometimes alone and occasionally while piloting aircraft as well. I am Fred Steckling's son. I assisted my father on the original text of "Alien Bases on the Moon, and since his passing in 1991, by request, I have added several new chapters to the newer edition now available.. " Alien Bases on the Moon II"

[edit on 27-11-2004 by TerraX]




posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 01:37 AM
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"There, sitting on a rock by the brook, was the most exquisite
woman my young eyes had ever beheld! The warm sunlight
caught the highlights of her long golden hair as it cascaded
around her face and shoulders.The curves of her lovely body
were delicately contoured - revealed through the translucent
material of clothing which reminded me of the habit of
skiers...She seemed to radiate and glow as she sat on the rock,
and I wondered if it were due to the unusual quality of the
material she wore, which had a shimmering, shiny texture not
unlike but far surpassing the sheen of nylon.The clothing had no
buttons, fasteners or seams I could discern.She wore no
make-up, which would have been unnecessary to the fragile
transparency of her Camellia-like skin..."

Thus wrote Howard Menger, describing his first claimed
encounter with an extraterrestial, in High Bridge, New Jersey, in
1932, when he was but 10 years old.Menger, who rose to
prominence as a charismatic contactee in the late 1950's, has
been widely dismissed as a charlatan who simply jumped on
the bandwagon in the wake of publicity following George
Adamski's stories.For me (Timothy Good), this is too dismissive
a judgement.As with Adamski, I am unable to reject arbitrarily all
of Menger's claimed experiences, though I believe some of them
to be delusional.
The lovely lady explained to Menger that she had 'come a long
way' to see him, because she and her people had been
observing him, and that she had known him for a 'long, long
time'.'We are contacting our own', she added cryptically, implying
perhaps that Menger had been linked with her people in the
past.She impressed on the pubescent youngster that though he
would not understand much of what she told him, he would
begin to do so later in his life.
Menger had no idea who she was or where she came from: he
knew nothing about extraterrestials, even though already he had
had several sightings of peculiar flying discs, including one that
landed briefly, mostly in the company of his brother.In any event,
no spacecraft could be seen nearby.After giving further
information to Menger about his future role in life, to include
meetings with others of her people, the lady asked the boy to
leave first.He simply walked slowly away from the scene,
pausing to look back at her as she sat smiling on the rock.

(My own comments;
Howard Menger's accounts, if true, has tremendous and
exclusive value.This is the first account where a contactee
claimed to have been contacted at a young age.Something we
see later on in other cases.The fact that the ET's 'contact their
own' is also exclusive with remarkable implications.
From the above we can also gather that the ET's have
knowledge over future related events which becomes even more
clear in the further accounts of Howard Menger.We can also see
that the UFO era is basicly pushed back to the 1930's.)

Howard Menger's second self-reported encounter with an
extraterrestrial being occured in 1942, while he was serving in
the US Army in an armour division near El Paso, Texas.He was
wandering through the nearby Mexican town of Ciudad Juarez
one night when a taxi pulled over to the kerb and the driver
pointed to a man sitting in the back seat.
The man had long blond hair which hung over his shoulders,
and suntanned skin.Taller and heavier than the average
Mexican, he spoke in English with a slight Mexican accent,
inviting Menger to get inside the cab with him as he needed to
talk to him.Menger declined, but later wondered if he had made a
mistake.Could this man have been one of the 'others' referred to
by the lady on the rock?
Some time later, while posted in military service at Camp Cook,
California, Menger was greeted by a uniformed man who initially
addressed him telepathically, then verbally, confirming that he
knew about both the earlier encounters with his people.In
appearance, the man was rather unusual, said Menger:

"He was a fine looking man.Although there was something
definitely unusual about him, he could have passed - and did -
for an ordinary GI.The singularity of the man probably was not
because of the finely chiseled features and the luminous, almost
liquid quality of his eyes, but in communication I felt.I could
sense that the man was kind, wise, emotionally and spiritually
developed beyond anyone I had ever met.Although a kind of
reserve he wore as if a part of him set him apart from an
ordinary person, I somehow accepted with no surprise the
emergence of an underplayed, yet natural sense of humor..."

In referring to the Juarez contact with one of his people, the
spaceman began by saying that he fully understood Menger's
reluctance to get inside the cab with such a man ('We told him
he should cut his hair'!).He also appreciated the fact that Army
regulations encouraged caution in such areas and that Juarez
was hardly the best place for an interplanetary meeting.The
stranger went on to explain that his people had established
contact with humans in Mexico many centuries earlier.

'Long before the time of the Conquistadores, we made contact
with the Aztecs.We helped these people in many ways, and it is
too bad the conquerors came in war instead of good will and
friendship; for there were many things the Aztecs could have
taught them.Instead, they withheld these secrets, and these
perished with the civilization'.

Some of these secrets supposedly related to the use of sound
and light to produce power and run machinery.A number of the
space people came from a planet (which he did not name) to
contact 'remnants of his own people still living on Earth,
descendants of an ancient race which originally came here from
his own planet............'

The spaceman told Menger that his Army unit would soon be
moved to Hawaii, and that he would be put on detached service
with special duties which would give him more free time for
'certain tasks' he was to perform, and where he would have yet
another contact.These events, as it transpired, came to pass.
In Hawaii, Menger became batallion topographical
draughtsman.Later, he told me, he was transferred by
regimental headquarters and put on detached service working
with Naval Intelligence and his Army battallion on various
top-secret inventions.On 'impulse' one evening, he borrowed a
jeep and headed for a cavern area several miles away from the
batallion headquarters, where he encountered yet another
gorgeous girl from elsewhere.

She was dressed in a sort of flowing outfit of pastel
shades.Under a kind of flowing tunic, translucent and pinkish,
she wore loosely fitted pajama-type pantaloons.She stood about
five feet six inches, with the dark, wavy hair falling over her
shoulders and the tunic floating gracefully around the shapely
contour of her body...this girl, too, exuded the same expression
of spiritual love and deep understanding.Standing in her
presence I was filled with awe and humility, but not without a
strong physical attraction one finds impossible to allay when in
the presence of these women.

Menger emphasized that the space people he claims to have
met, though far superior to us in terms of physical, mental and
spiritual abilities, were still much like us.At first he found it
daunting that these visitors were able to read his every thought,
but 'one suddenly realizes he cannot hide anything, and
becomes completely honest, both with himself and the
visitors'.During the lenghty discourse, the 'Martian' spacewoman
foretold, correctly, that Menger would be posted in early April
1945 to Okinawa, where he served with the 713th Tank Battalion.
Menger had his first close encounter with the horrors of war
when shrapnel from an exploding shell entered his eye, causing
infection and temporary blindness.During his stay in hospital, he
relates that one of the Army nurses who looked after him, whom
he believes may have been from somewhere else, assured him
that his sight would be restored.She also predicted correctly
another contact near the time of his release from hospital.
Two weeks after his release, Menger claims he was nearly
bayoneted by three Japanese soldiers, but managed to
overpower them.During the skirmish, he was filled with the
strong impression that he should not kill the soldiers - an
impression he attributed to the mental influence of his space
contacts.
Menger alleges that the following night he had yet another
contact, in the northern part of Okinawa, with a very tall man
dressed in Army khaki.Eventually, the man claimed that he came
from Venus.One of his predictions, according to Menger, was
that the Japanese would soon surrender, 'for they are about to
be blasted into submission by a power which will shock the
world'.A few weeks later came the atomic bombing of Hiroshima
and Nagasaki.
After the war, Menger says he had his first encounter with a
landed spaceship and its crew.In June 1946 he was visiting his
parents in High Bridge, New Jersey, when a craft, similar to
Adamski's famous 'scout', landed.Two men, dressed in
blue-grey ski-type uniforms and with long blond hair, stepped out
of the craft through an opening on the flange, followed by the
same girl Menger had encountered in 1932.'This lovely creature
had not changed at all,' said Menger.Although looking only about
25, she claimed to be 'more than 500 years old'! (In later
contacts, the space people generally were much 'younger', e.g.,
79 Earth years.)During the ensuing conversation, Menger was
told that he would have continuing contacts which would 'further
instruct and condition' him.
In late 1947, two supposed space people met Menger and
showed him to a secluded farm area, one of several sites to be
used for future landings and contacts, where no one could be
harmed by 'the electromagnetic force which emanates from our
craft'.Menger would be advised of these appointments by
telephone.

Source: Timothy Good - Alien Base

(Continued in Part 2)
TerraX



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 01:41 AM
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Howard Menger's incredible experiences continued into the
1950's, as he became increasingly involved in helping the space
people establish themselves on our planet.Such tasks were not
without their moments of humour, Menger recalled:

"Often I purchased clothing and took it to the points of
contact.Visitors just arriving from other planets had to be attired
in terrestial clothing so they could pass unnoticed among
people.I remember one time when I was asked to purchase
several complete outfits of female clothing.Feeling it would be
embarrassing and somewhat difficult to explain why I was
buying so many outfits, I purchased them in seperate shops.
I bought what I thought was the appropriate size and showed up
at the point of contact.The women went into the next room from
which I soon heard a series of giggles and groans.Finally the
door opened and the bras were flung out.They apologized,
saying they just could not wear them, and they never had.They
also had difficulties with high heels.They teetered and wobbled
and suffered, but took it in good humor.They realized they would
have to learn how to wear them, though they often complained,
'Why can't your women wear sensible shoes!'

On several occasions, Menger says he acted as barber for some
of the new male arrivals.'I don't know if they save their hair or
not,'
he remarked, 'however, all evidence of the meetings was always
carefully gathered up by the space people before they
departed.'Some of the men had unusually fair skin, without hair
on their arms or faces, and apparently they had no need to
shave.'After three months on Earth, however, they became hairy
and grew beards.' Some of the visitors requested dark glasses;
some specifically of red glass, though the reason for this was
not given.
'Thus I had the oppertunity to meet people from other planets in
all stages of progress and development,' claimed Menger, 'from
those who spoke not a word of our language to those who spoke
it fluently; scientists and technicians to helpers and assistants.I
briefed them on our customs, slang and habits.Although they
utilized instruments to learn a language quickly, the machines
couldn't always cope with the colloquialisms.'
Although acting as one of the space people's liason men,
Menger says that he was never asked to obtain identification
papers, nor to seek jobs for them.

Ocassionally, Menger was asked to bring food for the space
people.

"They asked mainly for frozen fruit juices, canned fruit and
vegetables, whole wheat bread, wheat germ and the like.They
refused to drink milk, avoided fresh oranges, lemons and
grapefruit.They preferred tree-ripened fruit when I could find it.I
remember one time I bought five bushels of tree-ripened apples
from the local orchard.They tested the apples and found the
mineral and vitamin content much lower than similar fruits of
their planets.This was due, they said, to our poor soil.They
explained that chemical fertilizers were not the correct answer to
the problem because they did not replenish the organic
materials our soil sadly lacks."

While chemical fertilizers have widely been regarded as
unhealthy for many years, it should be pointed out that this was
not the prevalent view in 1959, when the above information was
published in Menger's first book, From Outer Space to You.He
continued:

"Most of the time they brought their own food, in a dried,
preserved state.I sampled some of it and while it was tasty, it
was hard and dry.I tasted other food which was delicious.They
had put the dry foods through some sort of processing which
returned the moisture and at the same time expanded it to its
natural size and state.I ate one of their tubers which was far
superior in protein and mineral content than any vegetable we
now have.We could grow the same here, they said, if our soil
were healthy."

During a contact at one of the landing sites in April 1956, Menger
claims to have been shown an 'observation disc' at close
quarters, similar to those reported by George Adamski.The
object seemed to be lying on the ground.'It appeared to be a
circular, translucent object about a foot thick and three or four
feet in diameter,' he reported.'It was pulsating different warm
colors.As we approached it, the colors changed from white to
blue and back to white with a tinge of yellow.'
According to Menger's contact man, the disc was controlled
remotely from a nearby spaceship, and was capable of
recording all emotions, thoughts and intentions.'Don't worry, it's
white,' said the spaceman.'When it changed to white I knew you
were all right', adding that the same colours were being
displayed on an instrument panel in the ship and would be
recorded permanently.

During several contacts, Menger was able to take a number of
photographs and films of the spacecraft and on a couple of
occasions their occupants; alas, only in silhoutte, owing to the
darkness.At 00.45 on 2 August 1956, for instance, he took
Polaroid photos of one of the craft as it came in for a landing.

"I snapped away, hardly able to wait for even a minute while the
pictures developed, but in the darkness could not see just how I
was doing.I noticed that one of the three ball-like objects under
the craft became distorted and looked like rubber as it seemed
to stretch and grasp the ground.I could see the other two balls
through the translucent flange.I wondered how they could make
metal appear translucent, and also become plastic, certainly
alien to our earthly physics...
An opening appeared and a man stepped out.He stood tall and
straight, his long, blond hair blowing in the soft warm summer
breeze.I could see the beautiful structure of his body; his broad
shoulders, slim waist, and long, straight legs.He approached
and when he was about 50 feet away I snapped his picture.He
was silhoutted against the glowing craft, a dramatic pose which I
hoped would turn out better than my previous picture.But in the
picture the craft seemed distorted and looked as if a gaseous,
swirling haze encircled it."

The spaceman explained that the pictures had come out slightly
distorted 'due to the electromagnetic flux around the craft', an
effect which is seen clearly in the frames from the 8mm movie
taken by George Adamski in Silver Spring, Maryland, in 1965.

The following evening, Menger was taken on board one of the
spacecraft for the first time; a short hop from one of the landing
sites to another.Just before entering the craft, one of the
spacemen pointed an instrument at Menger and a bluish beam
of light struck his head, producing a rather pleasant tingling
sensation.
'We projected the beam on you to condition and process your
body quickly so you could enter the craft,' Menger was told.'What
actually happened was that the beam changed your body
frequency to equal that of the craft.Thus you felt entirely
comfortable inside the craft and suffered no ill effects.'
In the small hours of 5 August 1956, Menger says, he was taken
for a longer ride.

"We stepped into a large circular room.In the center of it was an
ample-sized round table made of translucent material.Under the
table-top pulsating lights of many colors moved.The
dowel-shaped stem supporting the table was set in what
appeared to be a huge magnifying glass, itself set into the
floor.Approximately one third of the circular room was devoted to
instrument panels containing many colored lights blinking on
and off.In front of the control board was a frame containing what I
guessed was some kind of viewing screen."

One of the spacemen waved his hand over a section of the table
and two chairs came out of the floor.Menger and his guide sat
down, and on the screen appeared a scene on Earth.After
take-off, the magnifying lens on the floor zoomed in to reveal
another terrestial scene, with two people whom Menger knew,
driving along a highway.'The image appeared as if in broad
daylight,' said Menger.'I could see everything clearly and I could
hear the two voices as if the people were in the ship with us...'
In the second week of August 1956, in the Blue Mountains area
of Pennsylvania, Menger claims that, together with two other
people he knew (not named), he was taken into space aboard
another craft and shown the Moon, as well as large meteorites,
through a viewing screen.
Like Adamski, Menger reported seeing colours (blues and
greens) in a crater on the Moon.But his description of what Earth
looked like is interesting, in that it conforms to what our planet
does actually look like in photographs taken years later by the
astronauts: 'At one time we caught site of Earth in the distance,
glowing bluish-white with tinges of red, floating like a tennis ball
in an inky black pool...
Menger took five photographs of Earth and the Moon through a
porthole, of which three came out.Unfortunately, as he himself
admits, these particular photographs are blurred and do not
furnish satisfactory evidence.

Source: Timothy Good - Alien Base

(Continued in Part 3)



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 01:45 AM
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In September 1956, also in the company of Earth people (again,
not named), Menger says he was taken for a trip to the
Moon.This trip, it was pointed out by the extraterrestrial hosts,
would be longer than the others, and would require 'processing'
the humans' bodies.'Each atom of your physical body will
undergo a processing which will change its polarity, frequency
and vibration, to adjust your body from its balance to the earth's
attractive inertial mass to that of the moon's,' the host
explained.'This will require approximately a week and one half,
Earth time.'

Menger and the others were led to their sleeping quarters on the
craft, consisting of three bunk-beds per compartment.'The bed
didn't feel overly soft.' Menger reported, 'instead it seemed to give
just the correct extent to support the contour of the body.I laid my
head on a flat pad of soft material, and pulled the single warm
but extremely light coverlet over myself.'
In the morning, the guests showered in a compartment
containing three or four cubicles, partitioned by translucent
walls.'When I stepped inside one of the cubicles the door closed
behind me and lights went on automatically,' Menger
reported.'Three shower heads, one above me and two at waist
level, could be operated separately or all together.'

"I pushed a button and a flow of water, apparently mixed with
warm air for it was quite bubbly, fell over my body.I had never had
a shower so invigorating.I looked around for soap, but there was
none.Seeing another button I had not previously pushed, I put my
finger on it and a stream of colorless solution came from the
shower heads and completely lathered my body; at the same
time the water was turned off.I pushed the 'soap' button, then the
'water' button, alternately, enjoying the novelty like a small boy
would have done."

The lavatory bowl reportedly looked 'very much like one on Earth,
except that the bowl was lower to the floor and was made of a
hard white translucent material, not a ceramic'.In a mirror above
a kind of basin, Menger was surprised to notice that he did not
need to shave, which was just as well, since he had not brought
a razor with him.And interestingly throughout the estimated 10
day trip, he said, the guests found it unnecessary to shave.
Food was served in the main compartment of the spacecraft.

"Our instructor opened a compartment in the wall and withdrew
some items of processed food, which he put into a deep well, or
pot, set into a sink like unit.He pushed a button and the pot filled
with liquid.He allowed the food to steep in the liquid for about five
minutes, then he drained the liquid from the pot.He pushed
another button and almost instantly the appearance of the food
changed and steam rose from it.It had been cooked in little more
than a second! He removed the food from the pot by means of a
large, deep strainer and transferred it to plastic-like plates which
he said were dispoable."

The food supposedly consisted of vegetables such as potatoes
with 'a meaty, nut-like flavor', cabbage, carrots, parsley ('much
larger than our variety'), 'green mineral salt' for seasoning, 'very
large wheat kernels', nuts of various kinds, served in slices, and
a fruit about six inches in diameter, orange-red in colour, that
tasted like a combination of peach and plum.
'I am not certain how long we spent,' Menger reported, 'but
estimating by my watch, I believed it to be about 10 days.I have
often thought that time might have been different on board,
possibly because my beard didn't seem to grow; but that could
have been a result of our conditioning - however, all our other
bodily functions seemed to progress normally.'

On arrival at the Moon, Menger began to take more photos, with
the aid of some coloured filters given him by his hosts.These
particular Polaroid pictures - showing a domed structure rising
out of hilly terrain and a saucer hovering above - are interesting,
though not unequivocal because they might have been
fabricated.
After the spacecraft landed at a dome-shaped building , about
150 feet wide and 50 feet high, the guests were taken, in
different groups, for a guided tour of the Moon, in a 'long
train-like
vehicle with ten or fifteen coaches with plastic domes over them'
which glided noiselessly about a foot above a 'copper
highway'.Menger's description of his alleged lunar visit
understandably provoked as much ridicule as that heaped on
Adamski's story.

"We passed mountains, went through valleys, visited
underground installations...Huge cliffs and mountains made our
own look like ant hills.One particular desert locale brought to
mind 'The Valley of Fire' in Nevada.There we stopped long
enough for our guide to open the door and permit us to stick our
heads out for a brief moment, which was all one could take, for it
was terribly hot outside - like a blast furnace.I was certain no one
could have lived outside very long.
Finally we came to another large dome-shaped building, where
we halted and our guide told us we could get out on the moon's
surface where we could breathe the air with little or no
difficulty.My first impression was that I was in the desert.The air
was warm and dry.I could see little wind funnels forming on the
ground, drawing up dust particles like tiny whirlwinds.I looked up
at the sky.It was a yellowish color.When looking I had the queer
impression that if I walked some distance I would fall off, since
the horizon seemed foreshortened.The ground beneath our feet
was like yellowish-white powdery sand, with stones and
boulders and some minute plant life showing here and there as
we looked around us."

In addition to the group of 'learned' Earth people he travelled with
in the spacecraft, Menger professes to have spotted 'hundreds of
Russians, Japanese, Germans and other people from other
nations' who also were being taken on a guided tour of the
Moon.This seems absurd, because, if true, surely by now at
least one other tourist would have come out and spoken about
his or her experiences.

Source: Timothy Good - Alien Base

(Continued in Part 4)



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 01:51 AM
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Howard Menger's claimed liaison with the space people - and
there were many more contacts - continued until the late
1950's.A month after his assumed visit to the Moon, Menger met
Carla (Connie) Baxter, whom he married after divorcing Rose,
his wife of 17 years, in 1958.Connie helped Howard run his
sign-painting shop in Somerville, New Jersey, and also became
deeply involved in his less down-to-earth pursuits.In company
with many people in Menger's study group, she had some
extraordinary experiences which tend to support some of her
husband's claims, and which are now published, together with a
fully updated version of the original book, entitled The High
Bridge Incident.
Several individuals claiming to have witnessed some of
Menger's contacts came forward and spoke on The Long John
Party Line, hosted by 'Long' John Nebel on radio station WOR,
New York City.One of these witnesses was Menger's father.Here
follows part of that interview:

NEBEL: Would you say these were normal-sized people?
MENGER Sr.: Oh, no.I would say one was about six-feet-two or
three, and the other was about six feet.
NEBEL: Were you close enough to observe their features?
MENGER Sr.: No, that I wasn't.
NEBEL: Did you notice what they wore?
MENGER Sr.: To a certain extent, yes.As far as I could see, they
wore something similar to ski-suits, tight at the wrists and
ankles . . . It was a dark night . . . but these people seemed to
have a glow to them.That is how we discovered they were
coming towards us - by the glow.When these people left us, the
grass there (and I know positively because I had cut some of it)
was three feet high.And they went through that grass like it was a
nice concrete walk, with no exertion at all . . .
NEBEL: You have seen the ships, too, haven't you?
MENGER Sr.: Oh, yes, I have seen them in the air and in the
daytime I saw them, and at first was very sceptical.

Witnesses were not restricted to Menger's family.'I had many
witnesses - sane witnesses,' Howard told me when I (Timothy
Good) interviewed him in 1978.

"One was a doctor's wife, one was a physicist at Princeton
University, and they all saw it.They all said the same - which is
unusual - on radio, to back me up.I had photos and movies.In
other words, in my case, there was definite proof that we were
being visited, not necessarily by aliens from another planet, but
people who were more advanced than we were in technology,
spirituality, and general human engineering, and that all this
evidence would be admissibe in a court of law . . ."

The physicist referred to was 'Dr Tom Richards', at the time a
graduate student at Princeton (and whose real name is Richard
Berry, Menger told Good).In September of that year, with the
permission of the space people, he and others were invited by
Menger to witness one of his contacts.'The visitors landed about
a quarter of a mile to the rear of the house in a secluded wooded
area,' wrote Menger.According to investigator Peter Jordan,
Richards first sighted two disc-shaped objects, about six feet in
diameter, which pulsated irregularly and hovered silently only 20
feet in front of him, radiating a variety of bright colours.These
were also observed for nearly twenty minutes by Menger and his
wife, Rose, and a young high-school student named Hotchkins.
Because Menger had not permitted any of the witnesses to
come closer than 20 feet to the objects (due to the potentially
dangerous level of electromagnetic energy he believed
surrounded them), Richards's scientific scepticism was never
completely dispelled.'But,' said Jordan, 'Richards admits that he
did find the experience striking, and finds it difficult, given the
incredible sophistication of the display, to accept allegations of
fraud freely advanced by so many of Menger's detractors.'


Later that night, Richards was treated to an even more
impressive demonstration.The visitors reportedly walked down
to where the witnesses were standing, hurdling a fence in an
apple orchard, where Menger advanced and spoke to them in full
view of the witnesses.'These men from another planet were very
tall, close to seven feet,' said Menger, 'and I defy any Earthman to
equal the physical abilities they displayed.'
According to Jordan, Richards watched for over 15 minutes as
three beings of above average height 'ran, bounded, and jumped
in a swift fashion across a yard, at times . . . attaining almost
'superhuman' speeds'.

"The entities, surrounded by a whitish glow, hurdled fences over
five feet tall, and exhibited incredible gymnastic prowess in their
movements.This demonstration, said Richards, could have
been duplicated only had Menger enlisted the services of
professional gymnasts . . . the experiences that evening
presuaded him that Menger's claims, unacceptable as they
appeared to many others, may have contained more truth than is
generally assumed."

Another of the many witnesses to some of the phenomanon
which seemed literally to surround Menger at the time was 'Mr X',
a physicist who later became a businessman.On 10 January
1957 he testified on The Long John Party Line that on one
occasion, together with three other witnesses, he had seen and
heard Menger communicating with extraterrestrials.

Mr X: ...the five of us went out and Menger took us through very
rough terrain.The underbrush was kind of high...and Rose
Menger pointed out a glowing light between the trees...It would
take about 15 seconds to grow dim, and another 30 seconds to
get brighter again.It was pulsating at about that rate...about 200
or 300 feet away.And it could be seen only through the trees.We
were in an open clearing about 50 feet in diameter, and at the
end of this clearing were the trees...Howard Menger suddenly
said, 'Wait here', and he walked off toward the light.He didn't go
very far.It must have been about 40 feet, and then he stopped
and we heard two male voices talking...Menger walked right into
the trees.He was probably about 15 or 20 feet into the trees...
NEBEL: Now, you heard two voices, one that you recognized as
Mr Menger's - and do you feel the other voice could possibly have
been Mr Menger's?
Mr X: No, it had a different quality to it.It was more sing-songy
than his voice...I couldn't make out the words.I listened as
acutely as I could...And this conversation went on for at least half
an hour...While he was talking we were facing Mr Menger and
this person...whomever he was talking to.
NEBEL: You could not see him, could you?
Mr X: You could see a silhoutte, a dark shadow.
NEBEL: Do you know it was another form there?
Mr X: It looked like two forms.I could not distinguish any facial
characteritics.But I could pick out two forms...the other individual
was slightly taller.While we were looking in that direction we
heard somebody walking along the edge of the trees, walking
toward our right, and stopping...Then we heard another person
walking.We could hear the underbrush crackling and they
walked around almost to the rear of us among the trees.In other
words, we were surrounded...I am quite sure there were three of
them...then Howard Menger came back and he said, 'Gee, I'm
awfully sorry, I know how you feel, but I can't take you up
there'...he looked very, very disappointed.I am sure he wanted us
to see what was going on.
NEBEL: Did he imply that these people were from outer space?
Mr X: Yes.He did say there were three people: two men and a
woman.I asked him what they said, but he said, 'I can't tell you...I
would like to tell you but cannot', and it seemed to be something
personal...
NEBEL: Could this have been a 'set-up'?
Mr X: Well, we had a difficult job finding that spot.Howard Menger
had not been there before.It was obvious we were lost when we
started.And we had a lot of difficulty getting to this spot.We were
going through underbrush and actually had to fight our way
through.I am quite sure he had never been there before

The physicist, Menger told Timothy Good in 1997, is now in his
eighties and lives in Arizona.He prefers to remain anonymous.


Yet another witness to a number of weird events was Richard
Thompson (pseudonym) who, like Dr Richards, suspected that
the heavy concentration of reported phenomanon in the High
Bridge area during the mid- to late 1950s was something more
than coincidence.He could not comprehend how Menger,
hampered as he was by his limited income as a sign-painter,
'could possibly have perpetuated such a combination of hoaxes,
each perfectly timed, and brilliantly executed'.
In 1957, a large number of dehydrated vegetables, fruits and
nuts were found in Thompson's home at Plukemin, New Jersey,
as well as in open fields near High Bridge, which he says he
was 'drawn to by apparent telepathic means'.The food appeared
to have undergone an odd, 'freezefried' process.A potatoe
(believed to have come from the Moon!) was given to Menger,
who suggested that it should be analysed by a professional
labatory.Samples were taken to LaWall-Harrison Consultants in
Philadelphia.Analysis revealed:

Total weight of sample 5.20 grams
Moisture 7.23%
Ash 4.49%
Fat (ether extract) 0.95%
'N' as Protein (NX 6.25) 15.12%

Owing to the abnormally high protein content (terrestial potatoes
- at least undehydrated ones - typically contain no more than 3
per cent) Menger decided to obtain a carbon-14 test (to date the
samples) at LaWall-Harrison, but the latter explained that this
would cost about $2,000.Balking at such a fee, Menger
declined.The consultants then recommended that Menger take
the samples and their report to a certain doctor at a certain
government agency (CIA) which, they said, would continue the
research at no cost.At the agency laboratory, Menger and
Thompson spoke to the doctor, a 'polite, intelligent man who
appeared to be completely fascinated with the specimens,' wrote
Menger.'We left the samples with him, feeling we were on the
right road.'
Two weeks later Howard and Connie went back to the laboratory
to see how the analysis was progressing.As Menger reported:

"We where shown into a room where a piece of a specimen was
in a container of water, another piece was in another container
and a small fragment was under a huge microscope...the outer
surface of the specimen appeared like a crystalline beach of
sand (possibly) due to an intense contraction of structure.I then
told Dr ----- what had been explained to me about the method of
collapsing the molecular structure, which probably gave the
specimen a dehydrated nature...We were told they would run all
sorts of tests on the specimens left with them and keep us
informed...Since my friend had been given the potatoes in the
first place, we left the arrangements in his hands.That was in
June, 1958, and the last we heard from the laboratory.I
understand that this may have become 'classified' information..."

Thompson believes that the potato was 'impervious' to
radioactivity; that it was intended to warn him of the dangers of
'impending nuclear catastrophe'; and that the agency deliberately
withheld information on its analysis for fear that publicity would
have produced 'panic and scientific disorder' - a veritable 'hot
potato'! He saved a few of the remaining samples, which he
claims remained in their original state, thus testifying to their
unique method of preservation.

Source: Timothy Good - Alien Base

(Continued in Part 5)



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One of Howard Menger's more exotic claims, one 'endorsed' by a
court of law, relates to an incident which occured one night in the
spring of 1957.This incident suggests that during his contacts
with the extraterrestrials, he seemed to become imbued with
some of their phenomanol abilities.
During a coffee break at a gathering of his study group in
Plukemin, he allowed his mind to wander back sentimentally to
his light-green 1950 Plymouth station wagon which he had
recently traded for a new model.'In my mind's eye I drove it along
a blacktop road, picturing many things in vivid detail.Then I left
the reverie, returned mentally to the group, and becoming aware
of the discussion, joined in, without giving another thought to my
vivid experience.'
At the next meeting, the police station in Bedminster Township, a
few miles from Plukemin, telephoned to advise Menger that he
had a driving summons awaiting collection.'Sergeant Cramer
claims you were speeding and went through a red light in his
district about 11.40 p.m. on [ he named the date of the last
meeting],' Menger was informed.
'It couldn't have been me,' Menger responded, 'because I was
here at that time and there were at least twenty people here with
me.Besides, I do not have a 1950 station wagon, sir; I have a
1957 Plymouth station wagon, and incidentally, it could not have
left the premises because it was blocked in by other cars, and I
had the keys in my pocket.'
The police officer was unconvinced: finally, the summons was
delivered personally to Menger by Police Chief Kice.Menger
opted to appear in court, taking along seven witnesses, and
pleaded not guilty.According to Sergeant Cramer, he saw a
light-green Plymouth station wagon (licence number WR E79)
speed past him.With Cramer in pursuit, the car went straight
through a red light without stopping, then 'disappeared'! After
commenting tersely on the 'phantom car' and listening to the
testimony of the witnesses, the judge declared a verdict of not
guilty.
A check with the auto agency in Philadelphia where Menger had
traded in the 1950 Plymouth established the fact that it was still
in the shop undergoing repairs prior to resale.So what had
happend? In view of the fact that he had been thinking about
driving his old station wagon at the precise time it was spotted
'speeding', Menger believes in the possibility that his thoughts
'had manifested into an actual projection'.

In 1961, following a period of seclusion, Howard Menger
returned to the public eye on The Long John Nebel Television
Show.Paris Flammonde, producer of the show and later the
author of two scholarly books on the UFO phenomanon, wrote
that Menger, 'to the astonishment of supporters and opponents
alike, recanted the vast majority of his personal legend,
suggesting that all of his experiences may well have been
"psychic".
As author John Keel quotes Flammonde: 'Vaguely, aimlessly,
rather embarrasingly, he avoided and vacillated...'

"Howard Menger, Saturnian husband to a Venusian traveler in
space [he believed one time that he and his wife were
reincarnated from those planets], friend of extraterrestrials,
annonator of 'authentic music from another planet, master of
teleportation, and saucerological saga extraordinaire -
recanted!...His saucers might have been physic, his space
people visions, his and Marla's other planethood, metaphoric."

Later, in letters to investigators Jim Mosely and Gray Barker
(publisher of From Outer Space to You), Menger described his
book as 'fiction-fact' and implied that the Pentagon had given him
the films of saucers and requested he participate in an
experiment to test the public's reaction to extraterrestial contact.'
He has helped us, therefore, to dismiss his entire story as not
only a hoax, but a hoax perpetrated by the US Government,' wrote
Keel.
It's not that simple.For one thing, Menger has not recanted to the
extent implied here.In 1967, for instance, during a rare
appearance at a convention in New York, he confirmed at least
one of his purported encounters with extraterrestrials, in High
Bridge in August of 1956:

"The craft came down from the west.It looked like a huge fireball.I
was frightened.Gradually, as it came closer, it slowed down.The
pulsations subsided...it turned into what looked like a
man-made craft, reflecting the sun as it came close to the
ground.It was a beautiful sight...It stopped about a foot and a half
from the ground.An opening appeared in the side of the
craft.There was a small incline or platform.Two men stepped
out, very nicely dressed in shiny space suits...One man stepped
to the left, and the other to the right, and then another man
stepped out, a man I will never forget as long as I live.He was
approximately six feet one, maybe six feet two.He had long blond
hair over his shoulders - yes, long blond hair.He stepped toward
me, and the message he gave, of course, was what most
people don't want to hear, a message of love and
understanding.He said he had come from outer space, which is
what most people really don't believe in.Someday they will."

Menger went on to stress the hardships faced by contactees
following public disclosure of their claims.'If you realize what
people go through when this happens to them.If you really think
you have guts enough to come out and tell people.Of course,
nowdays it might be a little easier, but in the early Fifties it was
very, very rough, especially when you are in business and you
are trying to act like a reputable citizen.'

So what really happened to Howard Menger? For several days in
1978 I (Timothy Good) interviewed Howard at his home in Vero
Beach, Florida, in the presence of his wife, Connie, and my
friend Lou Zinsstag.I found Howard, as always, to be a
gentleman.
'Howard, when I first met you in 1969,' I began, 'you told me that
you stood by the story in your book, but that you no longer knew
where the space people came from nor what they were doing
here.You also said to me that you'd swear on the Bible, to God,
or whatever, that that book was true - that it happened to you.'
'Of course it was true,' he replied.

"What I wrote in there and what I had photographed and
everthing is absolutely true.However, at that time, I think I made
some mistakes.In one case, they said, 'We have just come from
the planet you call Venus.' I believe it's a possibility that I might
have distorted that.It doesn't mean that they're Venusians.That
means they might have a base there.There's evidence they've
had bases on the Moon, and they could have bases anywhere.In
a craft, I saw [on a viewing screen] something which I thought
was the surface of Venus - they led me to believe it..."

Menger gives serious consideration to the possibility that the
visitors he encountered might have originated from Earth, rather
than on other planets.

"There are so many theories - this thing is so complex.One
theory is that the Earth is the only one in this solar system which
was given the gift of life, and this life developed a long time ago
on this planet, and reached a civilization far beyond ours, in
technology and spiritual ideas, thousands, maybe millions of
years ago, and they have left, perhaps because of a
cataclysm...those that survived probably would go underground,
or under the ocean.Let's call them 'Atlanteans'.Most of this is
myth, but suppose Atlantis was real? The people might have
gone under the ocean and have cities there.It's very
possible.UFO's have been seen going into the ocean, and
coming out...It's possible they don't want us to know that they live
here on this planet, that they would probably throw us off the
track by telling us, you know, 'Venus' or 'Mars'."

'Are you sure that you actually went to the Moon? I asked ,
incredulously.
'Well, over the years I've given it much thought,' he replied.' I
believed at the time it was the Moon.They said it was one of our
satellites.I don't know what they meant by that - we have only
one! I think it was the Moon, yes.I took a picture from a porthole:
that was the Moon I took a picture of!'
'But how did you manage to survive in the airless atmosphere,
when they opened that door in the "train" and you were struck by
a blast of hot air?'
'I don't know.But I was under their control, which would make a
lot of difference,Their technology is so advanced...'

In her section of The High Bridge Incident (much of which she
published originally in a quasi-fictional book in 1958) Connie
Menger claims that Howard told her about an alien base, located
about 150 miles from High Bridge, in the Blue Mountains of
Pennsylvania, where supposedly Howard had made 'periodic
trips'.It was there, he said, that he saw Connie's 'psychological
chart' - 'a flat square, about a quarter of an inch thick, made of a
plastic-like material...Across the face of this chart, a series of
colored globes of light appear when it is connected to the
machines, and this indicates the emotional and mental state of
an individual.'
Howard made no such claim during our interviews, but he did
talk about having seen the alleged base.

"In the Blue Mountains, when I was out there one night, I see this
huge slit in the mountain.I'm watching this slit, and the light
coming out of it -it started to light up the whole area.It's getting
bigger and bigger...There was a section in the mountain - I
would say 100 feet of mountain - with trees on it and everything,
opening like a garage door, only opening out.It's blinding me
because I hadn't been used to the light: I'd been there for an
hour, with my camera, waiting for a UFO to come down.I couldn't
even take a picture, it's so bright.When I finally got used to it, I
dropped the camera! And I see spaceships - at least three of
them - in this cotton-picking mountain garage! And men walking
around in shiny silver suits - they've got these tight-fitting suits
-
walking around, doing maintenance and work and
everything.And a couple of guys came out in some kind of a
vehicle, like a motorcycle without wheels.He's sitting on it and
he's coming toward me! That's one time I didn't stay - I got in my
station wagon and took off."

'I think that one of the main reasons they're here is mining,'
Howard continued.'I think they're mining some stuff.We don't
even know what that stuff is, and if we did we'd probably be way
ahead in our technology.It's something they use - maybe for
energy.'
Menger's hypothesis is not entirely uncorroberated.In her book,
Silent Invasion, researcher Ellen Crystall claims that two US
government agents told her that aliens were mining beryllium,
titanium and zirconium in the area of her investigations around
Pine Bush, New York.Both Crystall's and independant research
has discovered that such ores are found in that region (and
elsewhere).All three ores are used in nuclear engineering
projects.Of particular interest here is that zircon is found in Berks
County, Pennsylvania, among several other locations.While this
area is only about 60 air miles southwest of High Bridge, New
Jersey, it is also just to the south of the northeastern end of the
great Blue Mountain ridge in central eastern Pennsylvania.

In talking with Howard Menger, I found him convincing when
discussing some of his original claims.At other times I had the
impression that he was fantasizing.This impression was
reinforced when he began regaling us with incredible tales of
having been involved in building and flying a saucer, together
with scientists and military personnel who had hired him to help
them out, utilizing the knowledge gained from his extraterrestrial
friends.He also professes to have put 'thousands of dollars' of
his own money into the top-secret project.
'We built a huge craft,' he stated. 'My part in this thing was the
design of the skin of the craft - the power system.And I did
design the manual control, and from the manual schematics the
other guy computerized it...I took it up with the four other fellows,
I'd guess about 1,000 miles in five minutes.Of course, we didn't
take any trips out of the atmosphere...'
If this is pure fantasy - as I believe to be the case- why do I not
reject all of Howard Menger's claims? Because, as with George
Adamski, some of the evidence suggests that he did indeed
have encounters with apparent extraterrestrials, some of which
were observed by credible witnesses.And regarding the
photographic and cine film evidence (he took both 16mm and
8mm movies), my feeling is that some of it is genuine.
As to allegations of fraud, Richard Thompson suspects that
elements of 'untruth' may have been woven into Menger's story to
promulgate a more widespread belief in extraterrestrial life.'But
[Thompson] does not believe, based on his own experience,'
stated Peter Jordan, 'that deception was as pervasive an
ingredient in Menger's story as his detractors were later to
maintain.'

Perhaps the last word in this chapter on Howard Menger's
claims should go to Berthold E. Schwartz, MD, a distinguished
psychiatrist and investigator of the paranormal, with whom I have
discussed the case, and who also lives in Mengers' home
town.In his introduction on The High Bridge Incident, he writes
that, for Menger: 'There have been no rewards except the ivory
chisels of ridicule, harassment, sometimes persecution, and
even an alleged attempt at assassination.Throughout the years
Howard has remained an honorable, outstanding citizen of his
community...He has (by choice) avoided the spotlight for
decades and never sought to profit from his extraordinary
experiences...
'How influential, specific and relevant to his UFO adventures
were the horrors and traumas of his son's, his brother's and his
mother's deaths - all within a short period of time [in the
mid-1950s]? Did these tragedies carve and prepare him for the
UFO events and kindred dissociative paranormal happenings?
Dr Schwarz continues:

"Both Howard and I have lived in northern New Jersey... my own
professional studies of [him] have involved interviews [with] the
Princeton physics student and his friend who were witnesses to
the discs [and] several of the New Jersey State Police who, when
they realized that my purposes were confidential and scientific,
recalled the furor and unexplained mysteries at the time...
Although the Howard Menger story is sometimes seemingly
bizarre, even by Fortean standards, Howard never deviates from
his original, fundamental assertions which are voiced again and
again like a hymn, a gesture of communion: contact with the
unknown has occured...."



Source: Timothy Good - Alien Base



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 11:41 AM
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Excerpt from book review;


O.K. let's get to the incident proper, what's all this about the
Benhar Encounter ? Well it occurred to two people, Bill and
Sheila (husband & wife) who live in Fauldhouse West Lothian
Central Scotland. On Sunday the 19th of March they took
off in their car to visit friends. As they were driving down the
B7O66 in the direction of Harthill, they observed a
tremendous white light in the sky which was accompanied by
a strange 'humming' sound. There was a glow in the trees, and
parts of the tree (the leaves), were being sucked up into the sky.
They stopped the car, got out, and were shortly met by
beautiful Nordic looking men, who kindly invited them aboard
their space-craft. Not wanting to disappoint them, they kindly
obliged, and began walking up a slopping ramp. Upon walking
into the craft, they both became aware of an overpowering
smell, like 'an electric smell', they also heard a soft whine
coming from somewhere.

Conversation was by telepathy, and by way of a thank you,
Bill rushed out of the 'craft', went back to his car, opened the
glove compartment, and took out a bicycle light which he
promptly gave to one of the Nordics. Their stay aboard this
'craft' was short lived, and after a period of time the event
was closed and this Adamski type UFO, for that is what the
witnesses saw, took off into the night.



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 11:43 AM
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And another sighting;

www.nuforc.org...



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July 7, 1957

This is an English Translation by Lou Zinsstag of
Switzerland.

IT IS REPRINTED FROM THE DOMENICA DEL CORRIERE
DELLA SERA of JUNE 1962.


(EDITOR'S INTRODUCTION) - WHEN WE ASKED OUR
CORRESPONDENT, MR RENATO ALBANESE, TO GO
AND VISIT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN ITALY WHO CLAIMED
TO HAVE SEEN UFOs, MR. ALBANESE LAUGHED OUT
LOUD. BUT KNOWING IT IS ONE OF HIS PROFESSIONAL
DUTIES TO FOLLOW THE TRACKS OF INTERESTING READER
STORIES - EVEN IF THEY SOUNDED LIKE HALLUCINATION -
ALBANESE MADE THE TRIP. WE EXPECTED HIM TO COME
BACK STILL LAUGHING, STILL MAKING FUN OF THE UFO
STORY, BUT HE RETURNED IN A VERY DIFFERENT, VERY
EARNEST MOOD. HE SEEMED TO BE DEEPLY EFFECTED.
"FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY," HE SAID. "I HAVE
HEARD SUCH AMAZING THINGS. IF THOSE FLYING
CONTRAPTIONS DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS A STILL
MORE UNBELIEVABLE STRANGENESS BEHIND ALL THlS.

ALBANESE'S INTERVIEW WITH THE MECHANIC LUCIANO
GALLI OF BOLOGNA, ITALY

GALLI IS A SIMPLE NORMAL MAN, 42 YEARS OLD, RATHER
SMALL IN STATURE. HE DOES NOT LOOK HIS AGE BECAUSE
THE EXPRE8SION OF HIS FACE IS SOMEWHAT CHILDLIKE.
HE IS SHORT-SIGHTED AND WEARS HIS GLASSES
CONSTANTLY. GALLI IS MARRIED AND HAS THREE
CHILDREN. HIS FLAT IS SOMEWHERE NEAR THE VIA
CASTIQLIONE. I RECEIVED HIS ADDRESS THROUGH ALBERTO
PEREGO AT ROIIE. GALLI IS A MODEST MECHANIC AND
HEAD OF A SMALL WORKSHOP. HIS FREE TIME IS SPENT IN
FISHING.

I HAD ARRIVED IN A RENTED CAR. WITHOUT FORMALITIES,
GALLI TOOK THE WHEEL AND DROVE ME WITH COMPETENCE
TO THE SPOT WHERE HE HAD MET THE UFO CRAFT. THIS
HAD HAPPENED ON JULY 7TH, 1957. OUR CAR LEFT THE
TOWN, WENT AROUND SAN RUFFILLO AND FOLLOWED A
SMALLER ROAD OVER A HILL. FROM THERE WE CAME TO A
RIDGE NAMED CROARA, 57 KM AWAY FROM BOLOGNA. WE
LEFT THE CAR AND WENT TO A LOWER GROUND. THE
GROUND WAS SURROUNDED BY MUSKY ROCKS. HERE,
GALLI SAID, THE UFO AWAITED HIM, HOVERING ABOUT
2M ABOVE THE GROUND.

GALLI DESCRIBED THE COLOR OF THE OBJECT AS SHINING
GRAY. HIS DETAILED DESCRIPTION REMINDED THIS
INTERVIEWER MUCH OF GEORGE ADAMSKI'S PHOTOS OF
BELL-SHAPED CRAFT. YET, GALLI WAS READY TO TAKE AN
OATH THAT AT THE TIME OF HIS EXPERIENCE HE HAD NOT
EVEN HEARD THE NAME OF ADAMSKI. (IN FACT NO ONE
KNEW ABOUT ADAMSKI'S SIMILAR EXPERIENCES AT THAT
TIME IN ITALY, WHOSE BOOKS WERE ONLY IN ENGLISH.)

LATER, IN ORDER TO MAKE ME (ALBANESE) BELIEVE THAT
HE WAS NOT TELLING FAIRY TALES HE WANTED TO SIGN A
DECLARATION: "I DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO SAY THAT I
MADE UP THIS STORY IN ORDER TO GAIN PUBLICITY OR
MONEY. WHAT I HAVE TOLD IS THE NAKED TRUTH."


HERE ARE THE PARTICULARS OF HIS STORY:

ON JULY 7TH, GALLI LEFT HIS HOME AT 14:20 IN ORDER TO
GO BACK TO WORK AFTER LUNCH. AT THAT TIME HIS
WORKSHOP WAS SITUATED IN A BLIND ALLEY OFF VIA
CASTIGLIONE. HE WAS NEARING THIS ALLEY WHEN
SUDDENLY A BLACK CAR, A FIAT 1100, STOPPED IN FRONT
OF HIM. OUT STEPPED A RATHER TALL GENTLEMAN OF
THE DARK TYPE, WITH REGULAR FEATURES AND VERY
DARK EYES. "HIS FACE WAS OF THE KIND WHICH INVITES
YOU TO BE FRIENDLY," GALLI SAID. THE GENTLEMAN
WORE A DOUBLE BUTTONED SUIT COMPLETE WITH COLLAR
AND TIE, AND HE SPOKE FLUENT ITALIAN. AT THE WHEEL
OF THE CAR WAS ANOTHER MAN WITH DELICATE FEATURES,
HE WAS DRESSED IN A LIGHT COLORED COSTUME; HE WORE
NO MOUSTACHE LIKE THE DARK ONE, AND HE NEVER SAID
A WORD. "I KNEW THE MAN WITH THE MOUSTACHE FROM
SIGHT," GALLI EXPLAINED. "I HAD NOTICED HIM SEVERAL
TIMES IN TOWN, HE EVEN SEEMED TO FOLLOW ME ONCE,
I REMEMBER, I WALKED WITH A FRIEND THROUGH THE
ARCADES OF VIA CASTIOILONE WHEN I SAW THIS MAN
AGAIN. AS ALWAYS HE LOOKED STRAIGHT INTO MY EYES
AND THIS TIME I WANTED TO ADDRESS HIM, BUT
SUDDENLY HE DISAPPEARED FROM VIEW.

NOW THIS VERY STRANGER WAS STANDING BEFORE ME,
ASKING ME IF I REMEMBERED HIM. I SAID YES. "WON'T
YOU COME WITH US, HE ASKED." WHERE TO? "HAVE
CONFIDENCE, NOTHING BAD WILL HAPPEN TO YOU."

GALLI TOOK A SEAT IN THEIR CAR AND RODE AWAY WITH
THE TWO MEN. AT 14:30 HOURS THEY ARRIVED ON THE
CROARA RIDGE. A ROUND UFO WAS AWAITING THEM.
FROM THE BOTTOM OF IT A METALLIC CYLINDER CAME
OUT AND A KIND OF OPENING APPEARED IN THIS
CYLINDER. THROUGH IT GALLI ASCENDED INTO THE SHIP.

GALLI, WHO IN THE BEGINNING HAD BEEN AFRAID, FELT
CALM AGAIN AS SOON AS HE WAS INSIDE THE VEHICLE.
HE WAS NOT YET COMPLETELY IN IT WHEN TWO LIGHTS
FLASHED UP. "DON'T BE AFRAID, SAID THE MAN WITH
THE MOUSTACHE, YOU ARE ONLY BEING PHOTOGRAPHED."

"WHAT KIND OF CLOTHES DID YOU WEAR THAT DAY?"
ALBANESE ASKED "EXACTLY THE SAME AS NOW, MY
WORKING OVERALLS," WAS THE ANSWER. "AND WHAT
DID YOU SEE IN THE INTERIOR OF THE SHIP?"


"THE PILOT'S CABIN WAS SPACIOUS AND ROUND WITH A
LOT OF INSTRUMENTS AROUND, PANELS WITH MANY
LIGHTS. THERE WERE ALSO HATCHES, AND THE SEATS
WERE FIXED SOMEHOW TO THE FLOOR. IN THE MIDOLE
OF THE FLOOR WAS A KIND OF CIRCULAR WINDOW,
ABOUT ONE METER WIDE. THROUGH IT WE COULD SEE
THE EARTH FALL AWAY FROM US. FIRST THE EARTH
LOOKED LIKE (FROM) ONE OF OUR OWN PLANES, THEN -
WHEN WE WERE ALREADY IN THE DARK ZONE - SHE
LOOKED LIKE THE MOON ANO LATER LIKE VENUS OR MARS."


"WERE YOU ABLE TO TALK TO THE MAN YOU CALLED
COMMANDER?" "YES, VERY WELL. HE SPOKE A PERFECT
ITALIAN. I ASKED HIM HOW HE HAD MANAGED TO LEARN
OUR LANGUAGE SO WELL. HE ANSWERED THAT HE HAD
USED A VERY GOOD METHOD."

SUDDENLY GALLI DISCOVERED THROUGH A HATCH THE
SILHOUETTE OF AN ENORMOUS DIRIGIBLE. ITS LENGTH
WAS AT LEAST 600 METERS. THE ONE END WAS CUT LIKE
THE END OF A CIGAR. THIS HUGE SHIP EMITTED
PHOSPHORUS LIGHT AND ON TOP OF THAT IT LOOKED AS
IF STRONG LIGHT BEAMS WERE DIRECTED TOWARD IT.
UNDERNEATH THE CUT END, SIX OPENINGS CAME INTO
VIEW, OUT OF WHICH AND INTO WHICH SMALL FLYING
DISKS WERE SEEN COMING AND GOING. (THESE WERE
NO DOUBT REMOTE-CONTROLLED DRONES.) EVERY
OPENING WAS DIVIDED BY A PARTITION WALL INTO
SIX SMALLER CUBICLES, EVERYONE WIDE OPEN. THIS IS
ONE OF OUR SPACESHIPS," GALLI'S COMPANION SAID.
"WE HAVE MANY OTHERS."


Now GALLI GAVE A DESCRIPTION OF SUCH UNHEARD OF
DETAILS INSIDE THE CIGAR-SHAPED CRAFT THAT HE
HAS TO TAKE OVER THE WHOLE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
HE SAID THAT WHEN COMING NEARER TO THE SHIP THEY
SAW THAT THE OPENING WERE BIG HANGERS, CAPABLE OF
ACCOMODATING AT LEAST 5O SMALLER SAUCER-SHAPED
CRAFT. NO LESS THAN 400 TO 500 PEOPLE WERE STANDING
AND WALKING AROUND IN THE HANGERS - BOTH MEN
AND WOMEN. THIS IS WHAT GALLI SAID ON OATH.

ALL THOSE PEOPLE WORE CLOTHES OF A SHINING PLASTIC
OR SILKY MATERIAL. WHEN THEY PASSED BY HIM, THEY
SMILED. THE WOMEN WERE VERY BEAUTIFUL AND FRIENDLY.
GALLI ASKED HIS COMPANION, SPELL-BOUND, FROM WHERE
CAME THIS SHIP. "FROM A BASE NEAR THE PLANET YOU
CALL VENUS," WAS THE ANSWER.

LATER ON GALLI WAS SHOWN THROUGH A BIG HALL, A KIND
OF LIBRARY, INTO ANOTHER BIG ROOM WHICH HE TOOK
FOR THE COMMANDER'S. "I CAN'T REMEMBER IF SUCH
THINGS AS BEER OR A CIGAR WERE OFFERED TO ME" HE
SAlD SMILING.


SOME TIME AFTERWARDS HE WAS SHOWN BACK TO ONE OF
THE HANGERS AND INTO THE SAME SCOUT CRAFT, ALWAYS
IN THE COMPANY OF THE MAN WITH THE MOUSTACHE AND
A FACE LIKE AN ANGEL IN PLAIN CLOTHES. HE WAS BROUGHT
BACK TO THE VERY SPOT NEAR CROARA RIDGE. "MY TRIP
BEGAN AT 14:30 HOURS OF JULY 7TH AND ENDED ABOUT
17:20 HOURS OF THE SAME DAY, SAME MONTH, SAME YEAR.
THE WHOLE TRIP WAS COMPLETED IN THREE HOURS AND
TEN MINUTES."

AT THE CONCLUIION OF THIS FANTASTIC INTERVIEW THE
JOURNALIST ASKED GALLI IF HE WAS SURE THAT THOSE
THINGS HAD NOT HAPPENED TO HIM WHILE IN TRANCE OR
UNDER HYPNOSIS. "I HAVE NEVER BEEN HYPNOTISED,"
HE ANSWERED. "I TOOK THIS TRIP IN MY PHYSICAL BODY,
THIS IS INDEED SO. WHAT I SAY IS NOTHING BUT THE
TRUTH." -

LUCIANO GALLI - ITALY



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 02:17 AM
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At 6pm September 1, 1984, a six-year-old girl named Nao Nishimoto was playing with her friends riding bicycles in the front yard of her apartment in Takamatsu, Kagawa-ken, which is not far from Tokyo, Japan. Young Nao went to the end of the yard on her bike when she saw a large round luminous object in the sky over the rice field. She stopped at the fence and stared intently at the object, but she didn't call to her friends.

The brilliant object was coming in from the right, and as it became closer and bigger, she perceived a large ring of colorful lights flying outside the object at the same time. To her surprise, the ring was just like a huge necklace with brilliant beads of many kinds of colors. As it approached the front yard its shape changed from a cross to a rectangle, then to a circle. It was a very beautiful sight and as the hazy outlines of the luminous craft became clear, the "necklace" disappeared. The object seemed to be the same kind of bell-shaped ship George Adamski photographed through a telescope December 13, 1952.

First the object came in a zigzag movement over the rice field. When it hovered a few meters high from the field for awhile, the ears of the rice plants swayed as if in a wind. Then the domed saucer moved to the left and hovered near a kindergarten school. It was only about twenty five meters distant from the girl, so she could see its cabin as large as a six or eight mat room of a Japanese house. (See drawing).

According to Nao, the UFO had a large dome with four portholes and a small golden ball on the top which was very bright. Three large circular structures protruded at the bottom. The color of the hull gradually changed from orange into silver.

While Nao stared at the fantastic ship, a nice-looking little boy appeared at one of the four round windows - the second one from the left - and when he looked at the girl standing at the fence, the boy smiled showing his white teeth to her great surprise.

The following is from an exclusive interview with Nao at her home in Takamatsu October 25, 1984. Nao said the boy she saw had long hair, pulled back from his face and it reaches his shoulders. His hair was golden in color and his face was round. Nao said his skin color was the same as hers; he had large round eyes, small nose and ears.

In the interview Nao talked about her encounter with a very serene state of mind for her age and she had a very good memory. There is no doubt she must have seen a being from another planet.

Nao said she only saw the upper half of the boy. So, it seemed that his shirt was gray and a little shiny. His shirt had a v-shaped neckline. She felt sure he was a boy because of his eyes.

As Nao watched the scout craft that afternoon, it flew over the roof of the kindergarten and disappeared. Nao left the fence and hurried to the kindergarten on her bike in an attempt to see the craft once again but it was moving away. She advanced along a footpath between the rice fields. When she reached the end, where the tableland or mesa of Mt. Yashima could be seen, and the ship was hovering at a low altitude over the field.

No sooner had she looked at the boy looking out the window than he smiled again and waved his left hand. At first he slowly raised his hand showing the palm, then he let it down, and again he raised the hand slowly. The sleeves of his clothes were long enough to reach the wrists.

Soon after that the scout craft began to circle over the rice field in addition to rotating on its axis and flew toward the mountain. When it came to the top of; the mountain, about 300 meters above the sea, the ship flashed twice and suddenly disappeared. Nao said all this took about 15 minutes from the beginning to the end of the encounter.

She was in the first grade of an elementary school at that time, but now she is in the second grade and lives in the city of Fukuoka with her parents. She waited two days before she told her mother. At the time Nao just didn't know what to say, or just how to tell what she saw. She is a young girl, her mother said, who does not tell lies. Nao's parents believe this kind of an experience was met to happen to help people understand better about life on other planets. The family was contacted again a few years ago by reporters and little Nao stands by her story. She says it did happen just as she said it did. And people throughout the world still continue to see and photograph the same type of craft Nao saw Sept. 1, 1984.

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posted on Jun, 11 2006 @ 12:05 AM
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I'm posting here cause this came up in a search for Haunebu.
Perhaps they were in Roswell and Antarcica.
I'm doing my post of the day here as well:

The begining according to author Lyne in 'Pentagon Aliens":


From the moment that the electro-propulsive saucer's full potential became evident in the
early 1930s, forward to the present, rocket projects have been a cover for the "real thing", and
ironically, this sham was first actualized in 1937, at Los Alamos, New Mexico, based on stolen
Tesla technology, under the tutelage of Wernher von Braun. Hitler had appointed the Prussian
Illuminist as "Herr Doktor Professor of Research" and project leader to run his Vergeltungswaffen
("revenge weapon") center at Peenemunde, before his collaboration with the American rocket
pioneer, Dr. Robert Goddard, at his laboratory in Mescalero, New Mexico, and rocket test site at
Eden Valley, New Mexico.1 Afterward, von Braun would never allow the high priority ("p2",
"KT-p2") 'space travel' project to be too far away from his watchful eye. While collaborating with
Goddard at Mescalero, von Braun ran the Illuminati flying saucer project at Los Alamos called
"p2", between 1936 and 1938!2 He was given a leave of absence by Hitler for this espionage, and
was brought to America by the Smithsonian Institution, the Guggenheim Foundation, and the
American Rocket Society, who financed his work and paid for his trip!


So American investments started it off, developed till the end of WWII,
some went to Roswell NM and others to Antartica (see Operation High Jump
on the web) some are now triangles in UK and Europe.

Note disc of lightning at craft bottom where Tesla flat coil is located.
If you see tube type you will see beam of light at front and back both
downward and upward directed, perpendicular to motion of flight
and perpendicular to radial magnetic field of the pancake coil.

Well see videos at google and youtube.

Still looking for a rare Haunebu picture.



posted on Jun, 11 2006 @ 04:05 AM
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Personally I'm not that impressed with the Nazi UFO Hypothesis. My main argument is that if Germany had these crafts which supposedly outperformed any Allied craft, then why weren't they used in the war? There are more problems with the hypothesis and most are centered around a complete absence of evidence.

Reading that von Braun was involved in obscure building projects only adds to what it is, a conspiracy theory. Allied forces, when they captured Germany, found many military installations. Not one instance has a flying saucer type craft been reported. Other unusual designs such as the Horten flying wing are documented. Operation High Jump is another fine concocted story. Look at the official records of that operation, most of all at the losses of men and material. No great battles with Nazi flying saucers there.

The Haunebu "design" itself, in my opinion, was created in someones attic where an individual got a little creative with an "Adamski scoutcraft". Great disinformation, and still effective.



posted on Jun, 11 2006 @ 11:44 AM
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As always TerraX I am incredibly impressed with your posts. It is much to read and I havent finished reading this thread yet. I think I remember Semjase once saying that other planets in our solar system have had life living on them on the surface at different times. I don't remember the exact quote. There ships have the ability to travel in both time and space. If you were to arrive on the moon say millions or billions of years in the future or the past you might find a time when such life described by Adamski may have been on that planet.



posted on Jun, 11 2006 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by TerraX
Personally I'm not that impressed with the Nazi UFO Hypothesis. My main argument is that if Germany had these crafts which supposedly outperformed any Allied craft, then why weren't they used in the war? There are more problems with the hypothesis and most are centered around a complete absence of evidence.

Reading that von Braun was involved in obscure building projects only adds to what it is, a conspiracy theory. Allied forces, when they captured Germany, found many military installations. Not one instance has a flying saucer type craft been reported. Other unusual designs such as the Horten flying wing are documented. Operation High Jump is another fine concocted story. Look at the official records of that operation, most of all at the losses of men and material. No great battles with Nazi flying saucers there.

The Haunebu "design" itself, in my opinion, was created in someones attic where an individual got a little creative with an "Adamski scoutcraft". Great disinformation, and still effective.


I totally agree. if the Nazis had UFOs and flying saucers, we would be speaking German instead of English. They would have kicked our butts good.

They were toying with the possibility of flying discs. But none ever came close to fruition.



posted on Jun, 11 2006 @ 07:50 PM
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there was mentioned in earlier posts something about 'foo' fighters
& possibility that the Germans made propaganda out of them.


this is not meant as an explaination, but there is a optical trick which does happen

...first consider that up there in the bombers in WWII, the craft used red-lights
instead of white lights.
..now put this together with this observable test

(found at ) www.unmuseum.org...
(at the bottom of the page you will see the after-image test graphic)


my point is, there might be a connection with the crewmembers being accoustomed
to RED lights/light sources....then when looking into the night sky their eyeballs &
brain got this same type of after-image...and the crew/pilots might have seen these 'orbs' which disappeared or darted around much like those 'floaters' we see on occasion in our field of vision...
this visual trick eventually was propagandaized into secret German 'foo' fighters...
because the Germans were aware of the trick of the optics/brain message and
made use of the phenomena to their advantage.

just a thought



posted on Jun, 12 2006 @ 01:34 AM
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What may have happend is that German aircraft designers made a circular craft on the drawning table. History shows that during those times Germany experimented with many designs and variations within the same design. Ironicly this helped their downfall since it prohibited mass production of one decent design. It might be entirely possible a flying disc was drawn up but with conventional propulsion, propeller or jet engine. After the war the experimental Avrocar was constructed which may have had the inspirational origins from Nazi Germany, although officially the designer was John Frost. en.wikipedia.org...
Nonetheless, the Avrocar prototype was a dissmal failure, as far as we know.

What I also find striking about the Nazi UFO hypothesis is the alleged secrecy of the particular branch of developers compared to the Nazi leadership. It doesn't make sense. Researchers found out, especially recently when Russian documents captured from the Nazi's were made availible, that the Nazi leadership was highly chaotic. But..., they didn't let things get out of their control. Make no mistake about it. The Nazi UFO hypothesis claims that the flying saucers (Vril's and Haunebu's) fell under the responsibility of the SS. Himmler was in charge of that and only reported/answered to Hitler. What happend to these individuals when Germany was defeated? Hitler committed suicide and Himmler, head of the SS and of the Nazi UFOs, gets caught near the Danish border dressed as a Gendarmerie with fake i.d.'s. en.wikipedia.org...
Practically all of the Nazi German leadership gets caught or commits suicide.
en.wikipedia.org...

My argument here is, why didn't the leaders and generals of Nazi Germany escape with these alleged flying saucers? The best reason I can come up with is, those flying saucers weren't there.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 02:52 PM
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There were ufos over Washington DC and a movie was made.

One plane chased it and fell apart.

Actual papers reported it, unless all the worlds libraries were scoured.

We might have started to hunt them down, not sure if we went to Anartica
after them or Greenland.

Some say blackouts are caused whenever they want something, like big
money transfers; only a suggestion.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 04:15 AM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
There were ufos over Washington DC and a movie was made. One plane chased it and fell apart. Actual papers reported it, unless all the worlds libraries were scoured. We might have started to hunt them down, not sure if we went to Anartica after them or Greenland. Some say blackouts are caused whenever they want something, like big money transfers; only a suggestion.

Well, that's what the German flying saucer theory is, a suggestion with little basis in actual fact. Other word for it would be 'fairytale'.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 07:32 PM
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Retired prison guard E.A. Bryant who lives in the South-Western
part of England near Dartmoor prison, was having an afternoon
walk on the 24th of April, 1965.At around 5:30 PM he reached a
spot with a nice panoramic view.Suddenly, out of nowhere he
saw a flying saucer at approximately 40 meters.


The numbers here have meaning. April 24 or 424 is a number also used by those who claim to have come from the "wolf planet".



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by grasshopper
The numbers here have meaning. April 24 or 424 is a number also used by those who claim to have come from the "wolf planet".

It doesn't ring a bell with me. But I'm not in to numerology, I think if you toy around with numbers enough you can often get to digits with symbolic meanings such as 666. I don't exclude looking at dates to see if there are things such as exact time intervals, things that point to structure.



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