BREAKING NEWS: 37 Nuclear Missile Launch Officers in Scandal

reply to post by FreedomKnight


Well, you either tighten down on those sending EAM's,
or you get me riding bronco out the bomb bay doors.

And once I'm out of the gate, there's no going back.

SAVVY?

this kind of debate-thinking is falling right into the trap that the 0bama regime is playing:

reply to post by WhiteAlice

How certain are you that the officers being fired were for the reasons the media is telling us? What if these officers actually were trying to stop the moving of the missiles that was ordered by a "higher power"?? What if they were defying orders to save our lives??

reply to post by FreedomKnight

In that case, I don't believe you would hear anything about it.

This info is most likely pumped up charges... see 0bama has already fired some 200 top level military Generals, Admirals, etc... anyone that conscientiously follows the Oath to Protect & Defend the Constitution... which will include firing upon civilians in a homeland battlezone operation.... are being target for removal from the services if their allegience is not for 0bama above all else


the Obama-muslim-progressive-socialist regime is purging further the ranks of the military...with mid-level officers being the targets of this made up (exaggerated) scandal... to make all of the regimes past actions (unwarrented Purges)against the military seem right-on-target and correct.



Remember the MSM is in cahoots with the administration in news coverage... i suspect the 'drugs' were not 'black-tar-heroin' anything like that, but just everyday pharmaceuticals which are every-day abused by 80% of the population at large every day -(including those officers for months or years even)
and i suspect the compromised test was a matter of the officers passing insider gleaned hints that such-&-such formulas or problems would be on the question list


i cannot prove it --- but this seems the work of covert activity designed to scandalize mid-level officers so that the whole military universe is pressured or even bullied into submission or be axed by the higher-ups who are themselves just agents for the WH planned debasement of the military


that's my theory for this thread and your decision




here's the latest report on the now 37 officers... more details contained in the text and a video embedded in the report:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Air Force Secretary: 37 Nuclear Missile Launch Officers Involved In Drug, Cheating Scandal (VIDEO)

By LOLITA C. BALDOR and ROBERT BURNS 01/15/14 04:02 PM ET EST AP

...Some of the officers apparently texted to each other the answers to a monthly test on their knowledge of how to operate the missiles. Others may have known about it but did not report it.

wayyyyy overblown IMHO

Some had mentioned a propensity for this administration to be removing high ranking officers associated with nuclear weapons in particular. It's worth looking into. If so, this latest is even stranger, and troubling.

reply to post by FreedomKnight


It's called "Occam's razor". Some people have a tendency to cheat on tests. It's a common problem in grade school and universities. Why should it be any different within the USAF? Secondly, drug use and abuse is a common enough problem as well. Two common problems among officers of a branch of the US armed forces, who are, in fact, human beings. This is an example of poor oversight in the USAF and mud in the face. Why do you think the article is so stinking small? Because it's an embarrassment but there is some obligation to report it.

I don't put cheaters and drug abusers up on pedestals or make them into something other than what they actually are--especially if they are in a position as fragile as that. Same goes with doctors who cheat on their medical exams. Sure wouldn't want that guy operating on me either...

P.S. this "purge" that is being claimed. Were you aware that the DoD has not produced a single viable annual report for several years now? We're talking about an entity that spends trillions annually and they had severe internal control issues (increases risk of fraud and theft), improper accounting procedures, limitations of scope and more. Trillions of dollars are spent annually in this specific branch of the government and they can't even account for it or even know precisely how much they've spent. The margin of error one year was around over $300 billion. The DoD does need to get its house cleaned.

FreedomKnight
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

How certain are you that the officers being fired were for the reasons the media is telling us? What if these officers actually were trying to stop the moving of the missiles that was ordered by a "higher power"?? What if they were defying orders to save our lives??

And this is what the ATS version of the topic should have been, 37 nuke officers framed and fired over drugs, lies

the title right now is just the misleading prepackaged MSM coverstory crap indeed =D

reply to post by WhiteAlice


There is always one! Why is it when people read of Occams razor they feel the need to apply it to everything?

The simplest explanation is preferred when the parameters are known and equal, well in this case we have a good idea of the amount of lies the media and the government spew, so using your logic, its more likely the government amd media are spinning this for their own ends- again, rather than 30 odd highly trained specialists all being dishonest and unreliable .

Although I am not claiming to know the truth, I do know not to believe everything the statist media publishes and I do know there are some very bad people in control of the white house who have no problem whatsoever in deceiving and or killing civilians, whether its false flag attacks or just their attack on our freedoms - they have lost all credibility.

Occams explained

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - Pluralities ought not be posited without necessity.  Or, in simple English, "of two equivalent theories or explanations, all other things being equal, the simplest one is to be preferred."

The common bastardization is, "the simplest explanation should be assumed to be right," or -- even worse -- "the simplest explanation is true."  This is  at all what William of Ockham's writings explained.  Galilei's Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems made fun of this but people haven't stopped.  Mostly because no one reads his sh**t anymore, me included.

So, anyway:  Explain to me how Ockham's original version is fallacious.  Not the common bastardized version, which we all know is.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Also I have to add, who is putting these guys on a pedestal? And how do you know they abused drugs and or cheated?

I take offence at your condescending attitude towards "drug abusers", who are you to judge? And I can almost guarantee you admire somebody who used drugs regularly, whether its an author or a musician or even a family member - just because someone uses non state sanction substances it does not mean they deserve any less respect - you have written of these guys without even knowing the full details.

I hope you never get jury duty.

reply to post by Soapusmaximus


Occam's razor is a whole lot easier to say or explain than trying to explain about the probabilities associated with recurring human behavior. Some people cheat. Some people do drugs. In that sense, it's not a huge surprise that both cheaters and drug users would be found within any entity. There are 450 active missile sites within the US. 34 officers cheated on the tests. 200 have to retake it. If we use the assumption that there is at least 1 officer at this site on an 8 hour shift, that means 450 *3 provides us with possibly around 1350 officers in that position at this time.

Recently, in a poll, 75-98% of college students admitted to cheating at one time in their academic career. Considering that statistic, then really is it that hard to believe that 34 officers cheated on their exam? Statistically speaking and using the above estimate, that means that around 3% cheated (34) and 15% (200) possibly cheated. Pretty good statistically speaking in comparison if it weren't for the fact that these particular test cheaters were in charge of something so bloody important.

Now which do you prefer--a simple "Occam's Razor" or a mathematical explanation of why it probably is that they cheated?

P.S. the guy I was responding to was. And for the record, I've been summoned for jury duty twice and got out of it both times.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


I understand what you are explaining, but we don't know all of the parameters because the exact govenment agenda is unknown we only have recent history to go off.

Like I said I don't claim to know the truth and I am not arguing for either side (although I would never defend the establishment) but as you pointed out the human aspect is the wild card and why we should be sceptical of throwing in with the govenment (unless ike is right they are humans) .

My point was Occams is too simplistic for a situation like this, in fact in can't apply to this situation. I would prefer the math, but that is also flawed considering statistics are unreliable, especially comparing uni drug use to active military drug use - I am sure plenty of soldiers use drugs but I would bet on the students partying harder.

The bottom line, is that we need to be vigilant and document cases such as these as signs of a possible purge - just to be on the safe side, I just don't trust the people in control of these weapons.

he was caught cheating at Blackjack at an Indian casino,

My understanding was he was banned from the casino for card counting.(if you have a counting device that is illegal. )
www.billrini.com...
www.blackjackforumonline.com...
Card counting is not illegal in most states but IS against casino rules.

In states like Nevada if caught you go into the nevada black(list) book(Griffin book) and you can no longer play.

reply to post by gardener


I chose the title because the officers are being fired due to an alleged scandal...now I don't believe that to be the truth but this is why all of us on ATS have the right to speak our minds and give our opinions...God Bless free speech

onequestion
How does Alex Jones really get this type of info?

Sparse facts.. He then makes the rest up
to get sensational swoops.

reply to post by FreedomKnight

When I was in college working as a waiter, I lost my job over a wine exam. I was in the manager's office getting something else and saw it sitting there. So I flipped the page to see how many questions. We all aced because it was simple, not because I looked at it. Anyways, one of the cooks saw me looking, reported it and they fired me and made everyone else retake the exam. I imagine this was more a case of this, rather than them willfully cheating. The place went downhill quickly after that and the guy that fired me is a failed real estate developer. Serves him right for being WK.

Edited to add: I then got a job at another place that held monthly meetings for an association he was in. I would change the name place to make sure he was at my table each time. I would never do anything to his food, but I guess the thought of it made him buy an expensive lunch and not eat it about 10 times a year until I graduated.

reply to post by FreedomKnight


So basically he needs to get rid of the commanders who will not launch missiles on there own nation and replace then with commanders that will.

Sounds like he is preparing to launch nuclear missiles on America and blame it on terrorist(or someone else) so he could ignite WW3 and thus gain a one world government, remember you heard it here first!

reply to post by jashn20002000


Wow...this is deeply troubling. Especially when you look at this:


www.pakalertpress.com...


These bills were certainly proven to be prophetic:

www.youtube.com...

Time to start diggin' deep, storin' heirloom seeds, guns, bullets, water 'n booze! Glad I got me a CDV-700 to see when it's clear to come outta my hole...

The answers were probably on the back of the test and nobody said anything.

I have to say, I'm far more concerned that they were stupid enough to have to cheat, on the ones who got busted for that. I don't know about the other ones or whether those charges are real. Some seem easy enough to fudge or fake ..but cheating is stupid.

There is a certain cryptic site out there that had a whole series of the Missileman/Crew/Handling etc handbooks and tests. I got a B if anyone is hiring for a boring job I could surf the net at all day... There wasn't that much to it for difficulty, which is what I note as disturbing for cheating.

Kinda like cheating on a standard drivers license exam, if it isn't your first time taking one in life. Umm.. Really? Oh..for shame guys.

ANNED

he was caught cheating at Blackjack at an Indian casino,

My understanding was he was banned from the casino for card counting.(if you have a counting device that is illegal. )
www.billrini.com...
www.blackjackforumonline.com...
Card counting is not illegal in most states but IS against casino rules.

In states like Nevada if caught you go into the nevada black(list) book(Griffin book) and you can no longer play.

My understanding was that he was caught bet capping, which is sneakily placing an extra chip on a bet that's already been place when you have already won, or you have a better chance of winning. People do this on roulette tables a lot because dealers are more distracted dealing that game than most, and also blackjack, when a player shows a ten card, etc.

He could have been caught card counting, but that's not a matter of law or morality, in my opinion, I'm sure every casino manager ever would disagree... But, I really think that even though you might be able to be 86'd from a casino for it, I can't imagine anyone losing their job over it. Using a math system to take a little bit of the edge away from the house is just good money management.

reply to post by St Udio


well... it seems that others support the content...here is an article that is just published...
endoftheamericandream.com...

Why Are Dozens Of High Ranking Officers Being Purged From The U.S. Military?
By Michael Snyder, on January 16th, 2014

the article lists the axed officers and poises the question if this is jut business-as-usual or is there really a Purge going on at the behest of the WH cabal of intellects that are hell-bent on 'transforming America' and dismembering the military...with special efforts directed at the Nuclear Forces personnel & leadership


snip:

Since Barack Obama has been in the White House, high ranking military officers have been removed from their positions at a rate that is absolutely unprecedented. Things have gotten so bad that a number of retired generals are publicly speaking out about the “purge” of the U.S. military that they believe is taking place. As you will see below, dozens of highly decorated military leaders have been dismissed from their positions over the past few years. So why is this happening? When I was growing up, my father was an officer in the U.S. Navy. And what is going on right now is absolutely crazy – especially during a time of peace. Is there a deliberate attempt to “reshape” the military and remove those that don’t adhere to the proper “viewpoints”? Does someone out there feel a need to get officers that won’t “cooperate” out of the way? Throughout world history, whatever comes next after a “military purge” is never good. If this continues, what is the U.S. military going to look like in a few years?

the article from endoftheamericandream.com goes on to list the forcibly retired or discharged offices for the years 2011-present that is making the rounds on the internet... the WH wants complete loyalty to 'them' and to the executive branch ---not the Officer's Oath to protect & defend the Constitution


add this to the list of actions of this regime which demands Rep. Boehner to start impeachment proceedings...
www.facebook.com...


Speaker Boehner Severely Criticized on Facebook for Not Moving to Impeach Obama

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
January 16, 2014
www.infowars.com...

reply to post by FreedomKnight


What the Hell were 2 top officals doing in russia in the first place.
Giving away Nuke access Codes ?
Strange