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reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman
It is amazing to see the amount of one-dimensional thinking in this thread after having read through the comments.
Politics is two-dimensional because most issues can be separated into two aspects--the "social" aspect (the y-axis) and the financial aspect (the x-axis)
What separates the left/right libertarians? Both groups would agree on issues like the legalization of drugs (because they are on the same side of the Cartesian plane that deals with social liberalism), but they would differ on financial philosophies.
The left would lean more towards socialism, while the right would lean more towards a merit-based system (like a free market). In either case, both groups would oppose state enforcement/intervention of any economic model. All state involvement is authoritarian, the only tool the state has at it's disposal to compel people into acquiescence is force, and all use of force is authoritarian.edit on 18-1-2014 by LewsTherinThelamon because: (no reason given)
reply to post by crazyewok
Look to break it down to basic terms. The right in America advocate what the framers originally intended for America to be. That's why the are called CONSERVATIVES!!! Look the framers were not FASCIST. So it's impossible to conserve something like limited government can morph into FASCISM, which requires big government.
U can not morph America into FASCISM without going through progressive means like democracy. U have to vote tyranny and big government into power, and vote down the constitution. THis is related to progressiveness. It's progressives that constantly say the constitution and bill of rights are outdated.edit on 18-1-2014 by amfirst1 because: (no reason given)edit on 18-1-2014 by amfirst1 because: (no reason given)
Only if you have trouble thinking 2-dimensionally.
reply to post by jonnywhite
Basically, the authoritarian left is going to use the state to force collectivism onto the population. Your resources are taken forcefully by the state and shared with the group (and you have no choice but to comply).
The libertarian left uses voluntarism instead of state-based force. It would be something along the lines of tribalism. Or the hippie groups that you find in the US living together in very loosely structured communes where they voluntarily share work and resources.
reply to post by amfirst1
It is very easy.
The bottom is for the freedom of personal choice (social, if you want to do drugs, go ahead). That includes left libertarians and right libertarians. If the authoritarian left or the authoritarian right does not want you to do drugs (the social aspect) they will send men to your house to hit you in the face with clubs so you can't. The top takes away the individual's right to govern their own, personal affairs. The bottom encompasses the social aspect of classical liberalism, which is modern libertarianism.
The left side of the compass, when dealing with finances/resources, whether top (authoritarian) or bottom (libertarian) says "I want to share resources." The top approach is through the power of the state (communism, you have no choice but to share), the bottom's approach is through voluntarism (hippie communes, the Venus Project, monasteries, nunneries, etc).
The right side of the compass, when dealing with finances/resources, whether top(authoritarian) or bottom says "you can only have what you have earned." They champion competition as opposed to the cooperation of the left.
TOP LEFT (authoritiarian left): socially they will not let you do drugs if they do not want you to. If they do want you to do drugs, then they force you to. Financially, they force you to give up any right you have to private property, you HAVE to be a collectivist.
TOP RIGHT (authoritiarian right): socially they will not let you do drugs if they do not want you to. If they do want you to do drugs, then they force you to. Financially, they force you to give up any idealistic notion you may have towards sharing resources. If you start a hippie commune, they will send their thugs in to smash your head in. Or take you to jail, or make you pay a fine (really, all of those things are force).
BOTTOM LEFT (libertarian left): socially if you want to do drugs...OK. If you don't want to do drugs.....OK. Financially, you can choose to live in their commune and share things, or just leave and live somewhere else.
BOTTOM RIGHT(libertarian right): socially if you want to do drugs...OK. If you don't want to do drugs.....OK. Financially, you can choose to live with the free market and competition between businesses (with zero state interference), or you can just leave and live somewhere else.
WHY is there a need to control the economy and how can you control the economy without removing individual freedoms of the peoples engaging in it?