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AccessDenied
I believe the climate has been changing on this planet since it began. It ebbs and flows,freezes and melts. What I refuse to believe,is that man or anything he has done in the last 200 years has hastened a naturally occuring cycle.
bobs_uruncle
canucks555
DeepVisions
reply to post by canucks555
So you're saying the polar ice is melting?
Global average temperatures are going up. Fact.
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If it's a fact why did the IPCC, Al Gore and other promoters of the Church of AGW have to commit fraud and/or fudge numbers to get their point across? Go into court sometime and try and prove a point based on real factual physics, you'll find that the judge is able to change reality. We are going into an ice-age, cold is a lot more persistent than heat. I imagine you've seen glaciers before.
Cheers - Dave
xuenchen
What caused this.....
Little Ice Age (1350 - 1850)
The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period (Medieval Climate Optimum).[1] While it was not a true ice age, the term was introduced into the scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939.[2] It has been conventionally defined as a period extending from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries,[3][4][5] or alternatively, from about 1350 to about 1850,[6] though climatologists and historians working with local records no longer expect to agree on either the start or end dates of this period, which varied according to local conditions. NASA defines the term as a cold period between AD 1550 and 1850 and notes three particularly cold intervals: one beginning about 1650, another about 1770, and the last in 1850, each separated by intervals of slight warming.[7] The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the LIA suggested largely independent regional climate changes, rather than a globally synchronous increased glaciation. At most there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.[8]
Several causes have been proposed: cyclical lows in solar radiation, heightened volcanic activity, changes in the ocean circulation, an inherent variability in global climate, or decreases in the human population.
RedmoonMWC
reply to post by canucks555
I am not saying that humanity has no effect on this planet, and I wholly agree that we need to stop the destruction of the rain forests, and minimize polution.
I am, however saying that this planet, like all of the other planets in the solar system go through cyclical weather changes. To blame climet change solely on humanity is as dumb as saying that humanity has no effect at all.
Cyclical, abrupt and dramatic global and regional temperature fluctuations have occurred over millions of years. Many natural factors are known to contribute to these changes, although even the most sophisticated climate models and theories they are based on cannot predict the timing, scale (either up or down), or future impacts- much less the marginal contributions of various human influences.
While global warming has been trumpeted as an epic climate change crisis with human-produced CO2, a trace atmospheric “greenhouse gas” branded as a primary culprit and endangering “pollutant,” remember that throughout earlier periods of Earth’s history CO2 levels have been between four and eighteen times higher than now, with temperature changes preceding, not following atmospheric CO2 changes.
www.forbes.com...
There is no doubt that some on the global warming issue have finances influencing their actions.
There is no doubt that some of the global warming 'debunkers' have financial reasons for their actions.
Professor Anastasios Tsonis, of the University of Wisconsin, said: “We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped.”
Experts from across the scientific spectrum accept that temperatures have levelled off and Britain’s Meteorological Office has produced three reports on the subject.
In July, one of the studies by the Met Office’s Hadley Centre, in Exeter, said: “Global mean surface temperatures rose rapidly from the 1970s.
“But there has been little further warming over the most recent 10 to 15 years to 2013. This has prompted speculation that human-induced global warming is no longer happening, or at least will be much smaller than predicted.”
www.express.co.uk...
beezzer
reply to post by canucks555
OP?
I've looked (and couldn't find) average yearly temps going back 5,000 years, or 50,000 years. I did find the "hockey stick" chart that was proven false, but have not found anything that would indicate that temperature extremes are occurring.
I want to put this at a geological scale.
Finding something of that nature that would indicate that this is indeed, man-made, would go a long way of convincing the skeptics.
Never mind!
Found it!
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Hoosierdaddy71
If liberals want to be taken seriously about global warming they need to put a muzzle on people like al gore. He declares that the ice caps will be gone by now and they get bigger. He says reduce our carbon footprint, then lives in a house thats bigger than the high school I went to.
How about Leo decaprio, he buys an electric car.. At $100k no less.. To be green. Then he buys a ticket to space on a private spaceship. How much carbon is he blowing into the atmosphere for that little joy ride?
They gotta start practicing what they preach..
nixie_nox
bobs_uruncle
canucks555
DeepVisions
reply to post by canucks555
So you're saying the polar ice is melting?
Global average temperatures are going up. Fact.
edit on 8-1-2014 by canucks555 because: (no reason given)
If it's a fact why did the IPCC, Al Gore and other promoters of the Church of AGW have to commit fraud and/or fudge numbers to get their point across? Go into court sometime and try and prove a point based on real factual physics, you'll find that the judge is able to change reality. We are going into an ice-age, cold is a lot more persistent than heat. I imagine you've seen glaciers before.
Cheers - Dave
This is where skeptics get really, really, sad.
The IPCC scandal was nothing more than skeptics cherry picking information and trying to present it as a scandal. And this was debunked years ago.
the fact that skeptics keep bringing this up, even though it was debunked years ago, shows that skeptics are so intent on hanging onto their beliefs, that they refuse to learn any new information.
nixie_nox
beezzer
reply to post by canucks555
OP?
I've looked (and couldn't find) average yearly temps going back 5,000 years, or 50,000 years. I did find the "hockey stick" chart that was proven false, but have not found anything that would indicate that temperature extremes are occurring.
I want to put this at a geological scale.
Finding something of that nature that would indicate that this is indeed, man-made, would go a long way of convincing the skeptics.
Never mind!
Found it!
edit on 8-1-2014 by beezzer because: (no reason given)
Again, skeptics need to update their info instead of using the same arguments for a decade.
The NCAR did an independent research on the hockey stick and found that other than a few numbers wrong in the early 15th century, it was accurate.
swanne
reply to post by nixie_nox
According to GW, higher CO2 lead to higher temperature due to the greenhouse effect. This will in turn cause hurricanes to be more abundant.
Then... How come the CO2 level rise in the 1940s resulted in a small cooling?
And how come global temperatures then went back up,
then hasn't gone up since 17 years now?
And how come we have less hurricanes per year then a decade ago?
bobs_uruncle
nixie_nox
bobs_uruncle
canucks555
DeepVisions
reply to post by canucks555
So you're saying the polar ice is melting?
Global average temperatures are going up. Fact.
edit on 8-1-2014 by canucks555 because: (no reason given)
If it's a fact why did the IPCC, Al Gore and other promoters of the Church of AGW have to commit fraud and/or fudge numbers to get their point across? Go into court sometime and try and prove a point based on real factual physics, you'll find that the judge is able to change reality. We are going into an ice-age, cold is a lot more persistent than heat. I imagine you've seen glaciers before.
Cheers - Dave
This is where skeptics get really, really, sad.
The IPCC scandal was nothing more than skeptics cherry picking information and trying to present it as a scandal. And this was debunked years ago.
the fact that skeptics keep bringing this up, even though it was debunked years ago, shows that skeptics are so intent on hanging onto their beliefs, that they refuse to learn any new information.
Seriously, you are going to run with that? I've written a few threads on this and even if you use simple logic and critical thinking, can you explain to me how throwing money through additional taxation is going to fix a problem that we do not have the technology or resource capability to fix?
Sure, we have climate change, it's extreme, it has the appearance of a dysfunctional system and the trending is remaining somewhat the same, but in the end the system will fail to its ground state, its equalization point. Since the geological history of the past couple of million years shows an average of about 90% ice age and 10% temperate periods, it's common sense, logical and evidenced that the ground state is an ice age.
As far as mankind being the root cause of this mess, you give us far too much credit. Look at the sun and interstellar space as they are the greatest contributors (99.9%) of thermal transfer in the solar system and of course on earth. But maybe we should send Al Gore to Mars or Jupiter since they are also experiencing huge changes in their climates. I guess the PC crowd still thinks SUV's and cow farts drive weather in the solar system, it has apparently been a very good propaganda exercise for the church of AGW. Kind of reminds me of the mandela-is-a-hero-BS and that propaganda campaign.
Cheers - Dave
nixie_nox
bobs_uruncle
nixie_nox
bobs_uruncle
canucks555
DeepVisions
reply to post by canucks555
So you're saying the polar ice is melting?
Global average temperatures are going up. Fact.
edit on 8-1-2014 by canucks555 because: (no reason given)
If it's a fact why did the IPCC, Al Gore and other promoters of the Church of AGW have to commit fraud and/or fudge numbers to get their point across? Go into court sometime and try and prove a point based on real factual physics, you'll find that the judge is able to change reality. We are going into an ice-age, cold is a lot more persistent than heat. I imagine you've seen glaciers before.
Cheers - Dave
This is where skeptics get really, really, sad.
The IPCC scandal was nothing more than skeptics cherry picking information and trying to present it as a scandal. And this was debunked years ago.
the fact that skeptics keep bringing this up, even though it was debunked years ago, shows that skeptics are so intent on hanging onto their beliefs, that they refuse to learn any new information.
Seriously, you are going to run with that? I've written a few threads on this and even if you use simple logic and critical thinking, can you explain to me how throwing money through additional taxation is going to fix a problem that we do not have the technology or resource capability to fix?
Sure, we have climate change, it's extreme, it has the appearance of a dysfunctional system and the trending is remaining somewhat the same, but in the end the system will fail to its ground state, its equalization point. Since the geological history of the past couple of million years shows an average of about 90% ice age and 10% temperate periods, it's common sense, logical and evidenced that the ground state is an ice age.
As far as mankind being the root cause of this mess, you give us far too much credit. Look at the sun and interstellar space as they are the greatest contributors (99.9%) of thermal transfer in the solar system and of course on earth. But maybe we should send Al Gore to Mars or Jupiter since they are also experiencing huge changes in their climates. I guess the PC crowd still thinks SUV's and cow farts drive weather in the solar system, it has apparently been a very good propaganda exercise for the church of AGW. Kind of reminds me of the mandela-is-a-hero-BS and that propaganda campaign.
Cheers - Dave
reply to post by bobs_uruncle
*laughs*
Skeptics are so predictable. Still can't avoid using Al Gore even after being made fun of for it.
And also after poking fun for using the same exact arguments, you use the same ol same ol tired "its the sun" skeptic argument.
Jupiter is over five times further from the sun than Earth. If the Sun was "warming up" (though it is actually cooling, double debunk!) to warm up Jupiter, than the Earth would be a whole heck of a lot warmer than it is.
The Earth doesn't "equalize" itself. The cycles are determined by rotation, axis, and orbit, so is therefor pretty specific and predictable till something forces the climate. We are actually in the point in the cycle where the Earth should begin its cooling orbit, not warming.
Anyone who thinks that humans can't affect the planet are sadly deluding themselves. The Chinese built a dam that displaced so much water that it is causing earthquakes.
A few cowboys with simple firearms decimated millions of buffalo and caused to associative species to go extinct.
There is a mine in Idaho that is much larger than Meteor Crater, which was created by a 100ft. crashing meteor.
1/4 of the rivers on the planet now run dry before ever making it to the ocean.
The question is more like: what AREN'T we doing to screw up the planet?
canucks555
I've put this in Rant because that's what it is. I'm getting SICK and TIRED on conservative types laughing it up every time it gets cold outside and thumbing their noses at the scientific facts. You know what I mean, The Drudge report (conservative go-to msm site) mocks Al Gore continuously every time a snow flake falls, as do many other "no brain" columnists and blogs. Also the odd denying, "I want it all screw the earth" FB couch junkie.
Imo it just makes them look un-informed (aka dumb) -and is a blatant attempt to deceive an easily deceived public.
-It's all politics, problem is that it's stupid politics, Listen..Cold weather is a product of global warming.
Can you understand that? ??
Get it through your heads deniers!!
The world is getting warmer, which should mean warmer winters - right? Wrong - a new study shows that global warming produces colder winters and heavier dumps of snow for large swathes of the northern hemisphere.
environmentalresearchweb.org...
Warmer summers in the far Northern Hemisphere are disrupting weather patterns and triggering more severe winter weather in the United States and Europe, a team of scientists say, in a finding that could improve long-range weather forecasts. Blizzards and extreme cold temperatures in the winters of 2009/10 and 2010/11 caused widespread travel chaos in parts of Europe and the United States, leading some to question whether global warming was real. Judah Cohen, lead author of a study published on Friday in the journal Environmental Research Letters, and his team found there was a clear trend of strong warming in the Arctic from July to September.
www.reuters.com...
New research, however, goes further, showing that global warming has actually contributed to Europe's winter blues. Rising temperatures in the Arctic -- increasing at two to three times the global average -- have peeled back the region's floating ice cover by 20 percent over the last three decades. This has allowed more of the Sun's radiative force to be absorbed by dark-blue sea rather than bounced back into space by reflective ice and snow, accelerating the warming process. Read more at: phys.org...
phys.org...
why can't conservatives wrap their brains around this?
Is oil seriously that important to you?
Get your heads out of the stone/oil age folks.
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