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reply to post by Kali74
Indeed... That is where opinions vary and the concept of settled is a slogan coined by a man who never got much closer to science than his advisers in office.
Imagine...if global warming IS happening for that being the absolute and definitive trend ..and we spend trillions and decades to counter it ...only then to discover by accident, some natural process we could have countered much much earlier ..had assumption and presumption not ruled science for focus and outcome.
It's those little things that keep me from accepting either side of what we've watched become a global mud pit of conflicting science and/or experts. Either side, to include AGW, have very solid and persuasive points. The problem...is those aren't the sole points to come across that way.
They have told us that the solution is to institute a so-called carbon exchange or carbon tax.
But if, as you say, there is no real solution, then what are they taxing us for?
Taxes won't change that. New transportation that uses green energy might change that, if it's readily available, does not cost a friggin arm and a leg to get, and the infrastructure is there to support it.
And please: no one tell me that is what the "tax" money will be used for. The government coming up with those things.
We've seen what governments like to do with their money: they line THEIR pockets with it, and spend it on the military (or pet programs).
Beezer simply asked if that is a "solution" to a problem that is suppose to be there, because that is all taxes do: give governments money.
Then change your message.
Seriously. It's that simple.
Not surprising with things like "Climate Gate" or "Doom Cryers" who's doom hasn't shown up (not the authentic scientist, but people, bloggers, etc, declaring that NYC would be under a meter of water by 2005! or some such thing).
Here is another reason it won't work. The message that most people get is:
"Climate change is all your (humans) fault. You need to stop driving your cars, stop using the bus, stop using planes. You need to stop buying things made in factories. Stop supporting companies that pollute our world and our atmosphere! I know I'm using a product right now made of Plastic (fossil fuels), fiberglass, and electronic components made by the same factories to spread this message, but still, if we don't change our ways, all the ice will melt and civilization will pretty much end."
I can tell you right now. The current message is this: Guilt. You are all guilty! This is ALL your fault. You MUST be PUNISHED with taxes! We DEMAND that you stop living your life and revert to something much harsher!
He did not coin the phrase. This is what science itself is saying and one doesn't even have to look hard to see it. The planet is warming because we are adding greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere.
I respect others views...why (at no one in particular here) is it so hard to return that respect, when educated people come to disagree in good faith?
but, the people you present as knowledged on the topic don't cut the scientific mustard.