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Our passage includes (vv9-10) a list of the kind of behaviour which means that people will not “inherit the kingdom of heaven”.
The OP has not highlighted the fact that the list includes homosexual behaviour.
However, we need to face up to this, and consider the point from two angles.
On the one hand, there is no denying that the statement is there, and consistent with the statements in Leviticus (ch18 v22 and ch20 v13) calling it an “abomination” that one man should lie with another man as with a woman.
On the other hand, there needs to be, at the same time, a sense of perspective.
This criticism of homosexual behaviour does not appear in isolation.
It is not even the first item on the list.
What is said about homosexual behaviour is also said about people who are adulterers, drunkards, and the just plain greedy.
Therefore nobody should be drawing any conclusions about the status of homosexuals from this chapter unless they are also drawing exactly the same conclusions about adulterers, drunkards, and the greedy.
All these people are in the same boat.
Original Text from the King James Bible
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves . . . shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
"nor effeminate" translated in verse 9 from Greek to the King James Bible is quite a broad word "malakoi" and it literally means "soft". So Paul was referring to "soft people" will not inherit the kingdom of God"
I love "Cafeteria Christians"
reply to post by schadenfreude
You are using your religion as a right to bash the LGBT community. I don't care that you state your not against "homosexuals", you obvisley are as you would not have started this thread.
(ME)No Einstein, if you had quelled your knee-jerk reaction, you would see i was actually rebuking MY brethern. (Which I stated in the Op.)
And my comment "Cafeteria Christian" is exactly what I mean. So many Christians are so well versed on Leviticus and yet not much on everything else. For example:
(ME)Which is why I didn't bring it up & even suggested it NOT be brought up! Can't you even READ?! Does nothing someone say matter if it so much as offends your delicate sensibilities?
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
(ME)This verse is taken out of context. It is talking about the fact that basically IN CHRIST, there is now no "special class". (as the Jews believed they were!)
Why not read Matthew 8:5-13 where Jesus heals a Roman Centurion's gay lover.
(ME)Nothing in that passage suggests that he is gay, but even if he were, so what?
Or read Mathew 19
Verse 4,5: “Jesus answered, 'Have you not read that the One who made them at the beginning made them male and female,' and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh”? Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate'.”
Verse 11,12: “Jesus replied, 'Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it'.”
(ME)I quoted Matt 19 and you're gonna tell me to look at Matt 19. Genius!
Being Gay is not a Choice
Being a Bigot is
(ME)Since my Op was about having Christians STFU about homosexuals & clean up their own house FIRST, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.
I'll go one better and proclaim my belief that you are an agent provocateur.
Expect no further replies from me & please stop derailing my thread with your nonsense, thank you.
reply to post by schadenfreude
Just one question from a non-christian,
I understand WHY Christians disapprove of homosexuality, I just wonder why you bring it up so much? and openly let people know, on a regular basis that you don't like them.
Is it because you want them to change? To save their souls? It just confuses me because if someone is slothful or greedy, I will let them know I disapprove if asked. However it is their lives and their eternal souls, do they not get to choose what to do with it? I find that if you still treat people who do things you disapprove of (within the realms of sanity), they could actually be very beneficial to you and the community. I know lots of gay men who regularly give to charity, will do soup kitchens etc, would you deny them this because of something they do in their spare time?
(Not trying to be argumentative, this is a genuine inquiry)
Non-practicing homosexuals have a right to attend church, just as non-practicing fornicators have a right to attend church. (Those shacked up but not married, that realize sex outside of marriage is wrong) It is not the desire that any should perish, but all come to repentance.
Homosexual feelings, IN AND OF THEMSELVES, are NOT wrong, it is ACTING upon those feelings that are wrong.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.