posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 01:06 PM
This thread is MAINLY addressed to my Christian brothers/sisters in Christ, that doesn't mean that I won't respond to non-Christians, but it DOES
mean that if you address me & call me a bigot, you can just sod off right now b/c I WON'T be responding, period.
What I am trying to do today, (b/c frankly I'm sick of it) is to clear the air on the obvious hypocrisy of Christianity & their skewered views on
Let me be clear upfront, I do NOT support homosexuality, but not b/c of the reasons most Christians give. I will give detailed biblical reasons for
this, as well the reason why the world (justly) condemns Christianity on this view, as well as WHY I AGREE WITH THEIR CONDEMNATION.
You'll also be pleased to know that I will not be including anything from Leviticus. If you wish to use strawman arguments about stoning, type of
clothing used, etc, again don't expect a response from yours truly. That was a different time and I am not Jewish!
So let's get the standard verses from the NT out of the way, shall we? (Unless otherwise indicated, all verses are from the KJV, for those that
Matt. 19:3-6 3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said,
For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more
twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
This should end the silliness that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality; the idea of marriage has always been between a man & woman for the
purposes of procreation within marriage. Yes, this passage specifically deals with divorce, but you can't have a divorce before you have a marriage,
so can we please bury this strawman forever? It's insulting.
Rom. 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is
unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Here is clearly another NT verse saying that these acts are wrong, and not from the OT either.
"But that's by Paul, not Jesus, it doesn't count." It certainly does. 2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Now that I have slightly dealt with the inevitable detractors, allow me to address the brethern.
We're hypocrites, plain & simple. That is why the world condemns us & calls us names. (and rightly so) This is NOT "persecution", go to China or
Iran or ANY M.E. country where your faith causes you your LIFE & your church gets burned down, THAT is persecution, this is not. Now, am I implying
persecution doesn't exist here in the U.S.A? Obviously not, but your reaction is flawed & judgmental, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT JUDGE YOURSELF FIRST, nor do
you even acknowledge your own sin. (Judgment begins at the house of God FIRST) 1 Pet. 4:17
For example; one of the verses that deals with homosexuality is 1 Cor. 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the
greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were
sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (ESV)
What's the order in these verses though? Unrighteous, (not saved, an obvious given) but then we have sexually immoral, idolators, & then adulterers,
and THEN we have homosexuals! And if you dig around, you'll find fornicators in similar lists as well.
What's the point here Jeff, what are you driving at? My point should be simple to all, but to avoid confusion let me spell it out to you; CLEAN UP
YOUR OWN HOUSE FIRST! This is why NO ONE outside the church, (and darn few even inside) don't take us seriously, b/c we don't hold OURSELVES
This is not persecution, this is hypocrisy, plain & simple.
Do I REALLY have to use google-fu to list the blatant examples of "preachers" cheating on their wives who STILL have a ministry? These are
adulterers/fornicators! Yet they are STILL among us in fellowship! WHY?!
1st Cor. 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one
should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer,
or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
We, (Christians) do NOT follow our own book! We do not believe in the severity of the consequences of our own book, ergo, we don't believe in the one
that WROTE the book! You can NOT pick & choose what to follow! It is either all or nothing.
If you do not kick the pastors out of the congregation that do these things, SHUT UP. You have NO standing, and might as well put away your "Jesus
shirt" for the rest of our sakes who DO try and live a Christian life.
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