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Originally posted by Alec Eiffel
Reminds me of when people drop acid and then try to convince everyone what they experienced was real. Heh, 3 pound universe I suppose.
Originally posted by Linux
Excellant question, i'd suggest Robert Thurmans version of the book (which is what I have). If your really interested in the concept i'd also pick up some other books by him if your up for lots of reading. Chogyam Trungpa has some interesting books as well so be sure not to bypass him completely. Aldous Huxley has two books that might be of interest to you as well.. obviously the first is The Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell. Also if your interested in psychotropical subjects make sure you pick up the Master Book of Herbalism by Paul Beyerl.
Originally posted by Juanita
Damaging ones body as a means to advance their awareness is not recommended, even in Native American wisdom. Forcing yourself to see or feel what you are not spiritually ready for will only cause a negative vibration in on your lifeline that will eventually come back as that - negative.
Native Americans rarely used such ways, and only when there was a dire need in which one member would be selected to use this method for the greater good of the clan.
Originally posted by dnero6911
Don't look at acid as it is known today, its existed naturally for a long long time.. i.e. pergot bread, or what have you ..
but along the subject of the mentality it creates: what one tries to do by meditating isn't trying at all, the whole purpose of it is to listen to Everything, even yourself, and not to desire to not desire, if you follow me.. you can't shut up the voices in your head, so instead listen to them, I know that may sound crazy, but if your meditating for reasons your not meditating. Its my belief that when we harness the power we have while in meditation we would constantly feel as if we were in a deja vu..... always... I think what Deja Vu is, is simply a reality check.
If your interested at all in that particular drug/tool I suggest reading "The Teachings of Don Juan"
Originally posted by Juanita
Can you please explain to me exactly what mescaline does to your body for you to be able to "trip"? How is that not damaging. The negative vibe is through the conscious decision to inflict harm in any way to one's own self.
You may have concluded that I do not believe in this method. At one time I sought the use of these 'tools' as a way to explore the areas of the mind that they seem to open up. Acid in it's chemical form should never ever be used...That's not to say that I haven't; But I've come to a greater understanding of my body, its energies, and the earth energies. I also have a better understanding of Native American wisdom.
Once, when talking w/ a psychologist friend of mine (ha!! didn't even have to pay!!), I was telling her about one of my trips on acid. She asked if I ever had any 'flashbacks' to which I answered "no". Then she explained how 'flashbacks' were the result of "unfinished business" in your 'trip'. (Funny word, 'trip'; Is that a 'trip' out of our current perception of reality?) That's not to say that there is something specific that you have to do, but rather look into the reason as to why you are using these 'tools' and if its for the purpose that you are referring to, then you better d*mn well continue that quest in your 'trip'!!
Very, very few people are ready for the peyote experience and isn't sought much by those who are ready for the simple reason that they have already found ways to experience such a state through natural (no ingested/inhaled 'tools' needed) means and enjoy the satisfaction of doing it that way. It is exhilirating to get your first glimpse of that 'state of mind' by practice instead of rushing into instant gratification.
Originally posted by Killak420
I have done mushrooms before and the last time that I did it something realy bad happened to me. I would like to know if anyone eles has experience this or have an explanition for what happened to me?
'___', Psilocybin/Psilocyn Mushrooms, and Peyote/Mescaline
'___', mushrooms, and mescaline cause similar psychological effects. Light, colors, and shapes are altered, and imaginary objects appear. Walls "melt." Abusers feel like they are floating, being pressed down, or moving in slow motion. Users focus on tiny details for hours. They lose track of long periods of time.
Hallucinogens cause extreme, upsetting mood swings. Thoughts jump from idea to idea, memory to memory. Users feel their bodies growing, shrinking, or changing shape, or they feel as if they no longer exist.
Short-term Effects of '___', Mushrooms, and Mescaline
'___', mushrooms, and mescaline can cause these physical symptoms:
* Dilated pupils
* Dry mouth
* Heavy perspiration
* Bad body odor
* "Goose bumps"
* Muscle weakness
* Poor coordination
* Lowered body temperature ('___' or psilocybin mushrooms)
* Higher body temperature (peyote/mescaline)
* Rapid heart rate ('___' or psilocybin mushrooms)
* Depressed heart rate and breathing (peyote/mescaline)
* High blood pressure ('___' or psilocybin mushrooms)
* Lowered blood pressure (peyote/mescaline)
* Seizures ('___' or psilocybin mushrooms)
Long-term Effects of '___', Mushrooms, and Mescaline
'___', mushrooms, and mescaline can cause these effects with heavy or continued use:
* Psychological dependence
* Cross-tolerance -- the need for increasing amounts to feel effects; covers various substances, not just those someone has used
* Increased risk of developing schizophrenia or psychotic episodes
* Birth defects
* Fatal liver damage if the wrong mushroom is ingested.
* Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (HPPD) -- trailing images, spots, auras, and other visual disturbances; depression, or panic attacks; long after use or perhaps permanent