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Does forgiveness mean forgetfulness?

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posted on Dec, 24 2013 @ 12:28 PM
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KeliOnyx
So then you are saying Jesus just flat out lied to the guy on the cross next to him then? He granted him forgiveness and a place in heaven on what amounts to his death bed.


No I am saying Luke might have lied.


The traditional view is that Luke, who was not an eye-witness of Jesus' ministry, wrote his gospel after gathering the best sources of information within his reach...


en.wikipedia.org...


The Bible is a series of testaments not words directly from Gods mouth. I also do not believe Jesus is God. You can reference the council of Nicea. Man does not have the power to make Jesus God. If he was going to heaven that day what happened to the rapture? There is a very simple explanation for contradictions in the Bible. It was written by man and all of man falls short of the glory of God. They did the best they could and that's the way it should be taken. If you don't know something ask God about it. If you are sincere he will answer you. He has answered every question I have ever asked him.



edit on 24-12-2013 by Pimpintology because: he needs coffee.




posted on Dec, 24 2013 @ 07:24 PM
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Forgiveness is the Greek word aphesis it means..... to BE freed from bondage.... it is the noun that comes from the root verb forgive which is aphiēmi which is...to send away to let go.However forgive(ness) has turned into the modern day meaning by religious extrapolation of "pardoning" of guilt.In the context of what forgiveness and forgive is said it is not pardoning from guilt.Everyone is 100% accountable for their guilt.There are no pardons. Everything is "judged" justly.

The main extrapolation is from what is called "the lords prayer(which is not a prayer) to "forgive others of their trespasses(which is pesha` in Hebrew meaning..... transgression or rebellion). This does note mean unless we "pardon" others of their "wrong doing" against us we won't be pardoned of ours.That is lip service of a religious agenda at best.To "forgive" someone of their trespass against you is to let go and be free bondage from it so it isn't a burden because ....if not...it WILL fester into a grudge then revenge and the second state is worse than the first....It is practicality.Yahoshua understood this very well.

Yahoshua said essentially the same thing in "turn the other cheek"(it's a metaphor... not literal).The person committing the offense is guilty... no "forgiveness" will pardon them.Turning the other cheek is so the offendee can be freed!The deed is done .It can't be taken back....the wound will swell however there is no need for them to fester and cause more suffering.Let it go ...be freed from bondage.Is that easy to do.....of course not.It is not the natural reaction....lashing out in retaliation is.It may make the offendee "feel" better for a season however it eventually causes more harm than good and they won't "be" better.

Yahoshua is never "teaching" how to "do" things.He is always proclaiming what things are.When he preaches "repent" he is proclaiming it is the prelude to the coming of the Kingdom of God .There is no"method" involved like ....first.....repent of your "sins" then ask forgiveness for them, then you're saved by believing Jesus saves you etc etc......just as there is no "method" for forgiveness which is incorrectly extrapolated from the "Lords prayer".

There is not a "conditional action" that needs to be done before the creator God forgives someone.They are axiomatic.Forgiveness is just one of the listed(there are infinite ) fruits of the spirit.They are ALL states of being not something you "do".When you are in the state of "forgiveness" the creator God is freeing you from bondage to let go.

edit on 24-12-2013 by Rex282 because: (no reason given)



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