Radiation Effects in U.S. from Japan Nuke Accident

This fact-based article is as REAL as it get's. I really hope it's not true. I live in LA, and I'm currently living in NYC for work. To think my home state will be uninhabitable by 2017....is MIND BLOWING.

The connections of everything and science behind it really holds weight. People need to stay informed on this, and keep digging. Our families on the west coast and eventually in the US will be effected.

What a shocking report!! Not only is the seafood contaminated, but also reports of moose and deer dying makes me wonder about our whole food industry. If contaminated rain is effecting deer and moose then surly all the food we eat that is farm raised from chickens to pigs and damn near everything in between is being contaminated! Even fruit and vegetables are not safe. But, like they say, we need to be hush-hush on this so as not to hurt the real estate market. So we all need to start reading about something else and this report does not exist, ok? Don't go around and warn your friends and family that you love dearly about ANY of this silly radiation conspiracy stuff!!! seriously though,,,,I'm scared!:

At this point I want to say ignorance is bliss. its in the food supply... and i mean inland food supply

1 particle emitting gamma rays in your skin directly next to cells in your body radiating for a half life longer than you will ever live. We all will get cancer and die its whether you choose to live a happy life or a life of fear at this point.

Japan is too big to fail they will win in the end

this world is too big to fail, but we continue this fail global trade that destroys economies

this financial system is flawed and doesnt take into consideration of automated service based economies

we cant have automated service based economies, because we need people to need money.

this is sad we are all gonna die of cancer looking like zombies in the end.

Do what you can to eat healthy and stay healthy. Give up and your body gives up.

maybe they will figure out how to manipulate the programming function of dna to withstand gamma rays. otherwise we are all dead

OR move to new zealand and live off the land .

GaryN
reply to post by jrod

 

So what levels of radiation are "low dose"?

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I don't suppose anyone will believe this man either. I'm sure Mr Gunderson is much more qualified to speak on the subject, right?

Gary, thank you for adding that info about low dose radiation. We are all subject to low dose radiation all the time. It's a known thing that bananas, for example, are slightly radioactive. Something to do with a potassium isotope. And slate and similar decorative stone types that we often use for flooring is often slightly radioactive too. This is all perfectly safe. A strong and healthy body will deal with these types of radiation quite easily.

The problem comes when you repetitively stress a body system, when you damage your immune system or when you up those radiation levels to beyond what the body can cope with.

So, smoking tobacco, for example. You could smoke a cigarette or five and be perfectly okay. But smoking a number of cigarettes every day for years puts a repetitive stress on the lungs, the immune system is overwhelmed and cancer takes over.

And the same thing is true with radiation exposure. A small amount - okay. Is it possible that it can actually be beneficial? Maybe. Would I choose to go to a clinic and get low level radiation for it's beneficial effects? NOT ON YOUR NELLIE!

And most importantly, do I believe the fallout from fukushima can be guaranteed to always be "low level" and always be "beneficial"? Well... I don't have words for how strongly I do not believe that to be the case.

JRod also makes the case that there are different types of radiation. Good point. Light and radio waves are both electromagnetic radiation. We're bathed in low levels of these all the time. No problem. We often cook our food with microwaves (also electromagnetic radiation). Heat, as Jrod points out, is infrared (also electromagnetic radiation). So it is certainly true that all types of "radiation" are not bad for us.

But the point is this: What flows from fukushima is neither "low level" nor is it beneficial to biological life. What pours into the ocean and the atmosphere from fukushima was intented to be safely contained and used to generate electricity. Biological life needs to be shielded from it. And yet it gushes forth!

So... yes, I understand the desire to "hope it better" and to "wish it were not so". But I understand a desire to know the unvarnished truth and to prepare and respond appropriately even better.

Painterz
How many people have died from the Fukashima accident?

lmgtfy.com...#



Looks like five. One was stuck in a crane two were swept out to,sea by the tsunami one died of a heart attack and one died later but not from radiation.

And if other countries besides the US think that it will pass them then I have to say" YOUR WRONG!" eventually it will contaminate us all..the only thing that IMO is to create a small blackhole and hopefully the other end is not near earth and suck this whole nuclear mess into another dimension. ..ough Im so angry about this whole fukushima $#it and the those poor Japanese people again have to face this agony.
I never had thought that I had to fight against an invisible killer. ..

reply to post by Bootifool


A well written reply there Bootifool, but I can't agree with you here:

But the point is this: What flows from fukushima is neither "low level" nor is it beneficial to biological life.

The radiation IS low level, compared say with the levels recieved for cancer treatment, which are generally about 2 miliion times more than what is considered a 'safe' dose. The levels from Fukushima ARE in the range that experts such as Mr Sakamoto say are harmless, and proponents of Hormesis say are beneficial. Hospitals use gamma radiation sources, cobalt 60 usually, but also other sources, and sometimes they use whole or half body treatments for cancers of the blood. The doses are high enough to sterilise most females, but when it's your life on the line, what do you choose? Long term survival of people treated with over 80 Gy cumulative doses (4 Gy in an hour is considered lethal for single exposure) is very good, with few side effects, other than sterility. So the effect is NOT cumulative, otherwise the 80 Gy total would be lethal.
We just all hope it never happens to us, but until a magic cancer cure is found, Hormesis, from all the reports I have seen, does seem to harden the body against cancer from all sources, and tune up the immune system. A friend who wears hormesis beads has not had a cold in 10 years and his arthritis is no where near as bad. Mind over matter, or Hormesis? I haven't had a cold or flu in 10 years either, but my house has a cement slab basement, and under that is granite, so I think my Radon levels are probably higher than average, though not as high as most people living in Colorado for example.
Another interesting example:
The secret to longevity: Wine and radioactivity
www.smartplanet.com...

They make their own wine with the local water, so it will have radioactivity, but it may well be the stress-free lifestyle and lots of exercise(!) that contributes to their long lives, but the radiation doesn't seem to do them any harm at least.
It is an emotional subject for sure, but for myself, I am not going to worry about the Fukushima event at all, and after lots of reading on the radiation subject, I'd still say the event is blown out of all proportion.

symptomoftheuniverse
Its bad,very bad but all is not lost. I watched a documentary about a russian scientist who lived/lives in the chernobyl fallout zone. When asked about the radiation he was not concerned. "I know which food to grow and eat."
Iirc cherrys are ok but the pips are a big no no. I cant remember the other foods. He was not worried about external radiation.
Its bad but you can mitigate your intake somewhat. It just appears that the info on safe food is not readily available to the public. I suppose there is money in cancer/diabetes/heart disease/infertilty/dementia etc etc

Truest description yet of actuality of the situation as humans are concerned, ionizing radiation will account for zip, knowing how to detox yourself from particulates and vastly speed up... not half life but biological halflife is the way to be unaffected by this.

The BEST way to handle this if your on the West Coast is (in this case) actually to keep calm and carry on... what is happening to the poor sea life is devastating, but we don't live in water, not all crops uptake radiation, there are ways to treat the soil effectively and well, nothing is getting into a green house with a good water filtration system and hydroponic growing system with fish farming... you can sustain your family on less than a 1/4 acre...

The optimists take:

When we arrived in America just a few hundred years ago the life expectancy was 27 for both us and the native population. Today however, being a Centenarian is quite common. These Centenarians here and in Japan lived through Chernobyl, all the Atomic testing done world wide and a time period in which there were far more threats to health.

Let's examine a Centenarians survival vs yours right now In Japan or on the West Coast... Today, slightly higher rate of Thyroid Cancer from Fukushima and lets offer GMO's and Chemicals creating a higher rate of Cancer...

Now lets examine having been born in 1910... Spanish Flu, WW1, WW2, Coal as main fuel source in air, Cholera, Typhoid, Plague, Measles, Mumps, Diphtheria, Polio, Rabies, Scarlet Fever, Tuberculosis, Tularemia. No Organ transplants, No antibiotics, surgery unavailable for most ailments, work began as young as 10 years old under poisonous conditions, Racism was rampant as was sexual attack, violence went unreported 90% of the time. There were virtually no controls for tainted food, For 99% of people there was no choice but local produce and food, No food stamps in crisis, no modern pharmacy...when the flu broke out most couldn't acquire an aspirin with ease, you had contaminated outside laboratories, lived in close contact with livestock, there was no nutrition industry or supplements diseases as simple as scurvy or pellagra were common, much of America was wild while we feel bad for dead Polar bears or other creatures today for many in those days sometimes people were still Food for thee animals... There was no television or Internet the availability of internet to Learn how to help yourself was not there, sewage was untreated where there was any, there were no ambulances for most, modern fire depts were corrupt and in infancy, there was no insurance if you lost your home or needed medical care for anyone, University even was an option for almost no one, People are dumb today? The average education was 6th grade then...

If these people made it though that, to be Centenarians.... You and I will too.

Cancer will be cured, truth is with right lifestyle, education and effort we can survive this with ease, after all... yeah You might get Thyroid cancer in 30 years from this stupidity BUT it's a hella lot better than waking up in the AM and you have a fever, going out to the outhouse and it's -3 out, adding an e-coli infection when you just make some soup by accident and being dead the next day... Stems cells say to me in 30 years they can regrow my god damn Thyroid... in the meantime I crap inside, have lysol bowl cleaner when i'm done, running water and if that fever comes anyway I can get some freaking Thera flu and carry on... it sure all beats the hell out of Malaria and Dysentery

Is everything good... hell no

I don't like that rat poison gets in water and I get minuscule doses of cyanide from the tap... but then again I work hard and can buy a filter... that same Rat a century ago loose in my house could kill my whole family in 72 hrs in horrible, immediate, bloody body dissolving death, rather than Liver failure at 87

So lets get perspective... is Fukushima rads in LA worse at the worst of this from current situation....

Than same city...with Rats not all that long ago.

Hell no

In Rat city... my options were, fracking die, fracking die and fracking die... at the first outbreak of Bubonic Plauge

In LA, well... Damn, gotta buy some PI, Turmeric, Clay... Maybe a cell wall defender like L Carnosine... TA 65 would help wonders...119.00 extra this month...damn the man, I have to give up doing blow on friday nights lol, expensive freaking health insurance to replace whatever organ fails in 20 years...

TRUTH... some Iodine 131 exposure, maybe some Cesium in teh fish... WHICH BTW doesn't have a huge Biological half life, you do pass it in time

VS live like typical puts in America...

Drink regularly, don't spend the extra on organic food, lifestyle of lethargy, high sugar diet, over use of chemicals in home, recreation drug use like speed, processed foods

I'll take a bit o radiation vs what MOST of us do to ourselves everyday... if you took your immune systems back to 1910... you'd be dead in 2 weeks.

I make not light of this issue... it's a blow, but one modern science can handle... the poor Polar Bears, they can't detox, they can't work harder and start growing non contaminated foods, or farm their fish... but we can.

This will be survived realistically it wont even put a dent in life expectancy beyond a few years, setbacks are to be expected, the human condition creates new issues to be served and we have.... 6 Billion computers and minds to help...

Compared to what we have already survived, this is a blip

Thanks for the article. Posting so I remember to read all of this later. Its late here but this looks interesting.

reply to post by GaryN


Gary, a star for you for offering me a thought-provoking alternative perspective. My normal mode is that I am almost congenitally optimistic about things. And this part of my personality is really appealed to by the perspective that you offer: that this disaster is actually GOOD NEWS.

But as much as I'd like to believe this I simply don't think that this is possible. The first objection that comes to mind is your contention that the output from Fukushima is "low level". How do you arrive at that statement? To which measurements do you refer? Those being taken presently far from the source or what?

I'm sure you will agree that it is so that one cannot go and bathe in the sea water nearest to Fukushima, right? So perhaps you feel there is sufficient dilution by the time it reaches the US?

I'm feel I need to really understand what you are saying here before debating the point with you...

So let me get this straight, there's so much radiation off the coast of California that starfish are disintegrating into a goo within 12 hrs, right? Does anyone else see how insanely idiotic this is?

Why is it just disintegrating starfish? Why no talk of the hundreds of thousands of other species in the ocean? Why are we not getting actual levels in this article, just assessments of "high" radiation, and yet compared to what? Background levels, which are incredibly low?

C'mon guys, this is doom-porn. Look at my freaking username. I think we're doomed, but not from the radiation coming out of Fuku. Anyone who bothers to go over the figures and come to an understanding of what the values actually represent, should realize this is essentially a non-issue outside of Japan.

JRockABM
This fact-based article is as REAL as it get's. I really hope it's not true.

You guys lap this nonsese up, don't you?

reply to post by Bootifool

I'm sure you will agree that it is so that one cannot go and bathe in the sea water nearest to Fukushima, right?

No, it's perfectly safe. The levels are, according to the testing, all listed as ND, non-detectable. And even at detectable levels, their instruments are so sensitive that a detectable level is still next to nothing.

I'm feel I need to really understand what you are saying here before debating the point with you...

What I'm saying is that the whole Fukushima thing was a non-event, until the media got a hold of it. Tepco said from the start that there was no need to panic, nobody needed to evacuate, and that, IMO, was the absolute truth. The suffering of all those who evacuated was far more than any that would have occurred if they had stayed put, and the only people who are going to benefit from the whole fiasco are the Yakuza, along with all the companies they control who are working on the clean-up, (like leaky, useless, water tank fabricators) and their political partners.
Anyway, if you haven't watched the Galen Winsor videos available on youtube, I suggest you take the time to do so, as that might help explain why I feel so adamant that the whole Fukushima scare is bogus.

Why is this not reported somewhere?

I have seen this asked many times about many different things. I will answer this as I have inside information. My mother was a journalist for about 10 years. We lived in a town with a corrupt mayor and a corrupt police force. I asked her why not do a piece over them? Why not expose the truth? She told me that everyone has a boss. That's your answer. Everyone has a boss so they are told what goes into the paper or onto the website or over the air or on the TV. That's the way MSM works. This disaster is indeed worse than Chernobyl. I am still looking into it. Do not ever expect the MSM to pick this story up even if you shoved it down their throat with geiger counter readings from your local grocery store. They have a boss.

reply to post by GaryN


Hi Gary

Wow, you certainly have given me pause for thought. It's such a difficult thing to know what is real and what is fiction. I almost long for the days when I used to just believe the news. Having awoken a little, I have long since realized that EVERY news story comes with an agenda. And the position you take has simply reminded me of that fact. So there is the "it's all a disaster and the world is going to end" position which has an agenda behind it and there is the "no problem it's all safe go back to your lives" position which also has an agenda behind it.

So here I am trying to decide what I am going to choose to believe is true. The more I dig, the more diverse the information seems to be. There are websites (usually tied to the nuclear industry) that are in one way or another saying what you are saying: there have been no deaths directly attributed to Fukushima and only a handful of thyroid cancer cases and it's all contained and all okay now.

Really, these voices are echoing your stance that the drama is over and it is not a non-event.

But, of course, there are some starkly opposed opinions. Let's take Alexey V. Yablokov, for example, he is a member of the Russian Academy of Science, and was deputy chair of the commission of ecology of the USSR' Parliament (1989-1991), councillor on ecology and public health to the President of the Russian Federation (1991-1993) and chair of the state commission on dumping of radioactive wastes in seas surrounding the Russian Federation (1992-1993). No slouch, in other words and someone that has some serious credentials in this field. He said of Fukushima that:

The analysis of the health impact of radioactive land contamination by the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, made by Professor Chris Busby (the European Committee of Radiation Risk) based on official Japanese Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology data, has shown that over the next fifty years it would be possible to have around 400,000 additional cancer patients within a 200-kilometer radius of the plant.

This number can be lower and can be even higher, depending on strategies to minimize the consequences. Underestimation is more dangerous for the people and for the country than overestimation.
- See more at: hnn.us...

And this estimation of the situation really only discusses the effect on the population directly on the landmass of Japan. He doesn't even get to the effect on the oceans and the rest of the world.

My greatest frustration with all of this, Gary, is that TEPCO and the Japanese government have been deliberately obfuscatory with this disaster. They have gone out of their way to hide the truth and minimize the STORY that got out. As a result we really don't know exactly what the situation is and must try to piece it together. But I have to trust my gut and the feeling that the force of manipulation is pushing us to let this go and ignore it. If there was nothing to hide, then why are they working so hard to hide it?

Bottom line for me: thank you for your counterbalancing viewpoint. I really appreciate that you caused me to research a bit more, to question a lot more and to think a whole lot more. but I am afraid I cannot agree with you and take a stance that seems to me to be optimistic to a completely unrealistic degree. No amount of wishing you were right can get me to believe that you are.

reply to post by Bootifool

Alexey V. Yablokov, co-founder of Greenpeace Russia.

Greenpeace. That explains it.

The man talked absolute scientific nonsense. Here is an article, yes, from a pro-nuclear publication, about that affair. You seem like someone who wants to think for themselves, and not just listen to the mainstream media, so I hope you will at least take a quick look at it.
Challenging NYAS Decision to Keep Yablokov’s Chernobyl Fiction Online
atomicinsights.com...

Honestly, i feel this is much worse than we are allowed to know.
From Day one TEPCO has been a joke, screwing up and doing the wrong thing
at every step.
The removal process should not be any different.

As far as them covering it on the news and putting it at a level it should be,
wont happen. Our govt will ignore it, and deny anything to do with it.

Any notion of them moving people from the west to the east is doubtful,
the way our govt works, they will just allow everyone to die off slowly, and
deny any involvement or responsibility.

It will and is up to each person to do what they think is right.

Your best bet is to hop on ebay and order a Geiger counter of some kind and
monitor your area, and act accordingly.

Besides think of the huge profit our govt will make when they declare the west
coast non livable and take it over, then in 50 years or so, sell property to the
general public, or china or who ever.

The govt will profit from this and the people will slowly die.

But the real question, and the big question is what happens when the
currents start dropping this in quantities in the bread basket of the U.S.
Will they make a nuke resistant corn then? or will the world be at risk of
starving to death due to crop failures.
Think of how many we feed world wide, not just here, all of that is going
to be at risk.

So far in SW Montana i have yet to see any direct results, but believe me,
i am looking, every time i hop in the car and go out i scan the fields and roads
and slow down to get a good look at the deer and elk to see if anything is showing
up yet.

reply to post by GaryN
Thanks Gary. *sigh* Again and again what I am getting here is the same realisation: there is no one out there that is just "speaking the truth". Everyone is beating a drum for a particular effect... to forward a particular agenda or cause. And if the IS someone out there just speaking the truth, how would we differentiate them from those with an agenda?

I am reminded of the dirty science that was until very recently done by and on behalf of the tobacco industry. I'm sure most people know about this? Bottom line, the tobacco industry sponsored scientists and funded institutions to prove that smoking tobacco was not only safe but beneficial to our health. All this while the big wigs themselves knew that this was not true. And so for years one could not publish something that said "tobacco causes cancer" without being sued. And when it got to court they had their scientist lined up with "evidence" that tobacco was safe.

Tobacco was not the only such instance. The same thing happened with the asbestos mines too. I'm sure there are many such cases and I very strongly suspect the same thing is going on with GMO. But before I derail my own thread let me bring it back on point:

What I am saying is that the case of Fukushima shows me that there are no honest brokers for the truth. everyone is trying to play the game and win points for their side and they are very happy to use this event as a tool for just that. And if there are honest voices out there I can't distinguish them from the players.

So what to do?

I think it might be time to stop looking for input from others and to start seeking the truth within ourselves. Perhaps it is time to get a geiger counter.

Aand right on cue:

severdsoul
It will and is up to each person to do what they think is right.

Your best bet is to hop on ebay and order a Geiger counter of some kind and
monitor your area, and act accordingly.

RIght on, Severedsoul! That's exactly what I am talking about.

severdsoul
But the real question, and the big question is what happens when the
currents start dropping this in quantities in the bread basket of the U.S.
Will they make a nuke resistant corn then? or will the world be at risk of
starving to death due to crop failures.
Think of how many we feed world wide, not just here, all of that is going
to be at risk.

Maybe the IS a silver lining in all this. I really and truly do believe that mono-culture and centralized food production is one of the biggest mistakes we as humans have made. I get that it has it's benefits ITO efficiency and production costs but I think we have lost so much by doing things this way. To my mind the answer is for as many of us as possibly can to grow as much of our own food as we can. Everyone that has access to a patch of soil should see about growing a few veggies at least. Those that have bigger gardens could easily grow a large proportion of their fruit and veggie needs. And we should wean ourselves off of the over-reliance on corn and wheat. We eat WAAAAAAAAY too much of these things.

But I am digressing (again). My point, really, is that those that live in places where radiation is reaching should move. I know this is sad and deeply disruptive but what else? And those that live where no radiation reaches should grow their own food and eat local. And be especially careful of imported food and seafood.

severdsoul
So far in SW Montana i have yet to see any direct results, but believe me,
i am looking, every time i hop in the car and go out i scan the fields and roads
and slow down to get a good look at the deer and elk to see if anything is showing
up yet.

I'm no expert but by the time you can actually see damage in your environment then it's probably too late. Radiation damage is cumulative. If you can SEE damage in wild animals then it would be systemic. You would also have been exposed to sufficient levels to do you harm.

I'm really beginning to lean towards buying (or even building my own) Geiger counter.