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ThinkingCap
My first question is: Can a Satanist join?
Why? If it's never discussed, why have a pissing contest over who's God is the "right" God? That's the whole reason we don't get into that stuff in lodge. The fact is, none of us will know who was right until we're all dead anyway.
Second question: How do they keep from discussing religion during their meetings? Surely one must think their supreme entity is more supreme than the other, and would attempt to convert one another eventually.
No, and No. We're not saying all Gods are the same God. We're not saying all faiths worship different Gods either. We're saying that what you believe is between you and your church, but you're welcome to join us in trying to make the community a better place.
P.S: Do they discuss religion at all within freemasonry if the above answer is 'no'? --- Do they attempt to group all religions in as equal philosophies?
ThinkingCap
My first question is: Can a Satanist join?
JoshNorton
Depends on what kind of Satanist. Many who call themselves Satanists are atheists, so no, they could not join. And most of the others DO believe in God, so they could truthfully answer "Yes" when asked "Do you believe in a Supreme Being?"
thinkingcap
Second question: How do they keep from discussing religion during their meetings? Surely one must think their supreme entity is more supreme than the other, and would attempt to convert one another eventually.
JoshNorton
Why? If it's never discussed, why have a pissing contest over who's God is the "right" God? That's the whole reason we don't get into that stuff in lodge. The fact is, none of us will know who was right until we're all dead anyway.
JoshNorton
Do they discuss religion at all within freemasonry if the above answer is 'no'? --- Do they attempt to group all religions in as equal philosophies? No, and No. We're not saying all Gods are the same God. We're not saying all faiths worship different Gods either. We're saying that what you believe is between you and your church, but you're welcome to join us in trying to make the community a better place.
vethumanbeing
They do co-exist; but its a separate HIDDEN order. The Templars (Latin meaning TEMPLE) are the keepers (A MUCH HIGHER ORDER-EVEN MORE SO THAN THE POPE RCC), guardians of the sacred knowledge of mans origins; or truth of Cosmic Order and mans creation which was not of an evolutionary "Darwinistic" vein ape turns into human (laughable).
vethumanbeing
These ideas were esoteric in tradition. "Life manifestd as the being we know as homo sapiens did not originate on this planet, but was implanted here by more advanced spiritual beings who came from elsewhere.
vethumanbeing
A tradition handed down would be the proper building of temples (and so the Freemason builder becomes integral to the process). These were constructed for the sole purpose to contact the higher angels, gods or divine and were built upon junction or ley lines that transmutted cosmic and telluic currents (like a river of energy tapped into).
vethumanbeing
I come from Masonic tradition 33rd degree, and they strenuously believe in the Bible (old testament). The Knights Templar were the guardians of the Gnostic Principles of the Essenes living in Qumran, destroyed in 70AD by the Roman Army. They were the Hebreic sect that left the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' found by a goat herder in 1948.
vethumanbeing
They do co-exist; but its a separate HIDDEN order. The Templars (Latin meaning TEMPLE) are the keepers (A MUCH HIGHER ORDER-EVEN MORE SO THAN THE POPE RCC), guardians of the sacred knowledge of mans origins; or truth of Cosmic Order and mans creation which was not of an evolutionary "Darwinistic" vein ape turns into human (laughable).
Joecroft
Yeah, real side splitting stuff; a real rib tickler lol (pun intended)
vethumanbeing
These ideas were esoteric in tradition. "Life manifestd as the being we know as homo sapiens did not originate on this planet, but was implanted here by more advanced spiritual beings who came from elsewhere.
Joecroft
Makes perfect sense, like I was saying in another thread, the disclosure project report, suggests that the majority of Alien life forms, are in fact predominately humanoid in form, similar in appearance to humans, so similar in fact, that they could well be walking the halls of the white house, as we speak/type
vethumanbeing
A tradition handed down would be the proper building of temples (and so the Freemason builder becomes integral to the process). These were constructed for the sole purpose to contact the higher angels, gods or divine and were built upon junction or ley lines that transmutted cosmic and telluic currents (like a river of energy tapped into).
Joecroft
And they used advanced sound technolgy, to tap into vibrational frequncies that would resonate with the Chakra points, found within the human body…right…?
vethumanbeing
I come from Masonic tradition 33rd degree, and they strenuously believe in the Bible (old testament). The Knights Templar were the guardians of the Gnostic Principles of the Essenes living in Qumran, destroyed in 70AD by the Roman Army. They were the Hebreic sect that left the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' found by a goat herder in 1948.
Joecroft
Why 33, what’s so special about that number?
So the Knights Templar became the Masons, who were unfortunately infiltrated by the Illuminati…hence the problems we have today…am I even close?
Joecroft
And just what exactly were the Knights Templar doing, while raking around the secret lower tunnels of Solomon’s Temple, followed by scurrying, (warp light speed) back to their head quarters? Any ideas?
Joecroft
reply to post by vethumanbeing
Why 33, what’s so special about that number?
So the Knights Templar became the Masons, who were unfortunately infiltrated by the Illuminati…hence the problems we have today…am I even close?
And just what exactly were the Knights Templar doing, while raking around the secret lower tunnels of Solomon’s Temple, followed by scurrying, (warp light speed) back to their head quarters?
Any ideas…
- JC
vethumanbeing
Joecroft
reply to post by veteranhumanbeing
They are and are of the 4th dimensional order, the Illuminati the power brokers, the ones with untold wealth handed down through family affiliations hundreds of years old; the ones that elect the puppet officials that do their bidding (I can hear the snickers but this is the way of trickery and manipulation by them of you).
vethumanbeing
A tradition handed down would be the proper building of temples (and so the Freemason builder becomes integral to the process). These were constructed for the sole purpose to contact the higher angels, gods or divine and were built upon junction or ley lines that transmutted cosmic and telluic currents (like a river of energy tapped into).
vethumanbeing
I come from Masonic tradition 33rd degree, and they strenuously believe in the Bible (old testament). The Knights Templar were the guardians of the Gnostic Principles of the Essenes living in Qumran, destroyed in 70AD by the Roman Army. They were the Hebreic sect that left the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' found by a goat herder in 1948.
Joecroft
Why 33, what’s so special about that number?
So the Knights Templar became the Masons, who were unfortunately infiltrated by the Illuminati…hence the problems we have today…am I even close?
The number 33 is the highest in vibration, other than 11. I do believe the Illumnati did infiltrate the Masonic tradition and in so doing you have the falacies recorded by others within this thread. Its a real shame "long live the CARTOON WaterBuffalo lodge" because that is exactly what has happened to it, its not revealing the truth but hiding it (regards its newer members).
Joecroft
And just what exactly were the Knights Templar doing, while raking around the secret lower tunnels of Solomon’s Temple, followed by scurrying, (warp light speed) back to their head quarters? Any ideas?
Looking for the Ark of the Covenant; the gold box that held 'the METAPHOR for the significant/life starter, the animater of all life forms'; radioactive Uranium (secret knowledge stolen from the Egyptians), dont believe a word of the 'Exodus' as written.
veteranhumanbeing
They are of the 4th dimensional order, the Illuminati the power brokers, the ones with untold wealth handed down through family affiliations hundreds of years old; the ones that elect the puppet officials that do their bidding (I can hear the snickers but this is the way of trickery and manipulation by them of you).
Joecroft
And just what exactly were the Knights Templar doing, while raking around the secret lower tunnels of Solomon’s Temple, followed by scurrying, (warp light speed) back to their head quarters? Any ideas?
vethumanbeing]
Looking for the Ark of the Covenant; the gold box that held 'the METAPHOR for the significant/life starter, the animater of all life forms'; radioactive Uranium (secret knowledge stolen from the Egyptians), dont believe a word of the 'Exodus' as written.
ctophil
You are correct. The Illuminati or bearers of light (although it's a false light that is not of God) did infiltrate the Freemasons in the 1800s. Thus, that is why I was explaining why Freemasonry got corrupted. It's only one of the reasons, however. They were also infiltrated by other religious/political factions, such as but not limited to the Vatican and their Order of Jesuits and Order of Malta.
ctophil
The Ark of the Covenant is indeed a metaphor. It really just symbolizes your Heart, which is where God is. Numerous people look for this Ark of the Covenant here and there, but even the Knights Templar were in error, thinking that there is a secret to immortality within the Ark. Really the secret to immortality is closer than you think, it's within you, not anywhere else.
vethumanbeing
The number 33 is the highest in vibration, other than 11.
vethumanbeing
I do believe the Illumnati did infiltrate the Masonic tradition and in so doing you have the falacies recorded by others within this thread. Its a real shame "long live the CARTOON WaterBuffalo lodge" because that is exactly what has happened to it, its not revealing the truth but hiding it (regards its newer members).
vethumanbeing
Looking for the Ark of the Covenant; the gold box that held 'the METAPHOR for the significant/life starter, the animater of all life forms'; radioactive Uranium (secret knowledge stolen from the Egyptians), dont believe a word of the 'Exodus' as written.
ctophil
The Number 33 is esoteric or a closely held secret among not just the Masons but also throughout the world from many religions, including the ancestors of Masons. I'm sure you wondered why the "highest level" of Freemasonry of the Scottish Rite is the 33rd Degree. Actually 32nd is the highest, but 33rd is the Honorary Degree.
ctophil
It comes from the Ultimate Creator of this Universe. Even more esoteric, there are 33 Levels of Heaven in the Spiritual Realm. The Spiritual Realm is the highest area of the Material Universe. In order to transcend Heaven, you must go through all 33 Levels. I'm not going to go too deep.
Joecroft
Yeah, makes perfect sense…wait a minute, stop, rewind the tape, and lets just play that back, one more time…
“33 is the Higher…. other than 11” huh?… I will admit my math’s is a little rusty, but its not THAT rusty lol
It kind of like me saying that Aces in a deck of playing cards, are the highest, other than the Ten of diamonds, which is higher than them ALL lol.
vethumanbeing
I do believe the Illumnati did infiltrate the Masonic tradition and in so doing you have the falacies recorded by others within this thread. Its a real shame "long live the CARTOON WaterBuffalo lodge" because that is exactly what has happened to it, its not revealing the truth but hiding it (regards its newer members).
Joecroft
Yes, well said, if only they knew…
The Catholic church accusing the Templars of devil worship, and then having them tortured to force confessions out of them, under duress, is now the true story, for those who infiltrated the Templar organization.
Joecroft
I think the ark was advanced technology, that utilized zero point energy, and was primarily used to help build the ancient temples. It may have had other destructive uses in the wrong hands…
Joecroft
The Templars may also have been possibly looking for secret hidden texts, and perhaps the grail itself, as well as something else of interest; the Shroud of Turin!
vethumanbeing
Take the 11 number 3x times becomes a 33 vibration , within the mystery schools numbers translated letters or images to create bold sound (magnetic) wave forms.
vethumanbeing
Why the RCC didnt align themselves in the first place with the Templar Knights is NOT under consideration, we know it was a 'land grab' by Pope Urban to take all of their estates existing in Normandy (FRANCE) and those not murdered fled to the northern British territories (Scotland) to then carry the tradition as freemasons.
vethumanbeing
The only reason the RCC accused the Templars of 'devil worship' was to set a keystone in cannon law "discribing such and such as such". All false and a gerber food fest 'law making' for the next generations of priests, bishops and cardinals.
vethumanbeing
The grail is the bloodline of Christ and "who" carries it today in the "modern times" its DNA still existing (some suspect MORMANS NOT). This is the purpose of Brigham Young and the University of AZ genetics depts. to find the carriers. Lets all have a big laugh here, because it will not dilute the truth of these very costly research endevours.
Joecroft
reply to post by ctophil
ctophil
The Number 33 is esoteric or a closely held secret among not just the Masons but also throughout the world from many religions, including the ancestors of Masons. I'm sure you wondered why the "highest level" of Freemasonry of the Scottish Rite is the 33rd Degree. Actually 32nd is the highest, but 33rd is the Honorary Degree.
Greetings…
Perhaps a little background about myself might help here. My Father was in the Masons, and held and an ancient Masonic name, which is connected to the Templar knights. Unfortunately for me, I never joined up.
On the flip side of that, I also believe in Jesus and have received the Holy Spirit and become born again, but my belief in Jesus is pretty unique. I also believe in aspects of the Gnostic texts and aspects of standard Christianity combined, and that there is truth to be found within both beliefs etc… There’s a lot to cover, so suffice to say, there are also aspects of the later, which I have completely let go of.
So reading this thread, brings a rye smile to my face…
ctophil
It comes from the Ultimate Creator of this Universe. Even more esoteric, there are 33 Levels of Heaven in the Spiritual Realm. The Spiritual Realm is the highest area of the Material Universe. In order to transcend Heaven, you must go through all 33 Levels. I'm not going to go too deep.
Thanks for explaining it further, but what does each of the 33 degrees represent?…oh, and one more thing, are you a Mason?
- JC
Joecroft
Through vibrations/sound atoms are put into motion, and creation uses those geometric/mathematics/shapes to not only create, but also to communicate. I guess you’ve seen the effect loving thoughts can have on substances such as water etc.
Joecroft
I think all the letters in the Alpha bet, are derived from sacred geometry. Like for example the geometric shapes in my avatar, spell out the word GOD IMO…
Square = G - Circle = O - Triangle = D
The letter G is essentially a square, that has gone through an evolutionary process, and in Hebrew the letter D was represented by a triangle on its side, and of course the letter O hasn’t changed.
vethumanbeing
Why the RCC didnt align themselves in the first place with the Templar Knights is NOT under consideration, we know it was a 'land grab' by Pope Urban to take all of their estates existing in Normandy (FRANCE) and those not murdered fled to the northern British territories (Scotland) to then carry the tradition as freemasons.
Joecroft
Do you think the treasures from Solomon’s Temple were buried somewhere in Scotland? And what do you make of the, fleeing to Switzerland theory. Those Alps would make an excellent burial place for secret treasures, don’t ya think?
Joecroft
Although if I had to give it my best guess, I would go with Scotland (and not because of any bias) simply because, it was a much securer place back then, geographically speaking.
vethumanbeing
The grail is the bloodline of Christ and "who" carries it today in the "modern times" its DNA still existing (some suspect MORMANS NOT). This is the purpose of Brigham Young and the University of AZ genetics depts. to find the carriers. Lets all have a big laugh here, because it will not dilute the truth of these very costly research endevours.
Joecroft
I think I may be it. The Templars were the keepers of the secret bloodline, and my Father clearly has the Masonic Templar name connection, plus I got the dark blood red hair, to go with it. Why are the Brigham Young University searching for this bloodline, what’s their connection to all this…? - JC
network dude
Masons don't serve two masters. There is only one creator of all, omnipotent being. God, or whatever you call him. Just one. Try to learn the truth instead of blindly accepting what you are told by those who just don't know.
ctophil
The degrees are representation of the circumference of the Great Central Sun of our Universe. Our Galaxy also has a Central Sun, as well as our Solar System. These Suns are actually bodies of very powerful Cosmic beings in the 5th Dimension and higher.
For example, Lord Melchizedek is the Universal Sun, while our Sun here is Helios. But in the 3rd, they just look like huge fireballs.
ctophil
I am not a Mason. However, everything I talk about are Universal, meaning it may be similar to all spiritual teachings throughout history, since there are truths in all things. But there are also falsehood in all things. You must use discernment and the Mind of Christ. This Christ Consciousness I usually talk about is the direct link to God Consciousness.