OMG More Statin Insanity - New Guidelines Want 1/3 of Americans to Take Statins

reply to post by InverseLookingGlass

Dr. told me to take statins after a high cholesterol reading. When I asked for how long, he said forever

You don't have to take a statin for ever, regardless what your GP told you.

They are very effective for lowering cholesterol and fast-acting - if you were to take it for only 6 months, say, and then come off it, you would have bought yourself a bit more time by delaying the progression of atherosclerosis. In other words, you'd be better off than not having taken it at all.

Atherosclerosis is a progressive condition of ageing...the older you are, the more advanced it's likely to be, and it continues to progress all your life.

Statins retard the progression of this condition by lowering cholesterol, so taking a statin in later life - even for a brief period - would be of benefit (that's if your cholesterol levels are high, of course).

There's been some Canadian studies recently that also state statins are over prescribed, and the side effects are not made known to people by their doctors.

Other potential side-effects include risk of Type 2 diabetes, reversible muscle damage and short-term kidney damage.

In March, epidemiologist Colin Dormuth, an assistant professor in the department of anesthesiology, pharmacology and therapeutics at the University of British Columbia, looked at the use of high potency statins and rates of admission for acute kidney injury.
"There are a lot of patients out there taking the drugs right now who don't have a history of heart disease who are hoping to prevent heart disease and in all likelihood will derive absolutely no benefit," Dormuth said.

www.cbc.ca...


I've just started seeing a new doctor, and so far I'm not very pleased with her- she's a prescription pusher.
I don't think it's right to go straight to treating symptoms, instead of fixing the cause.
I need to lower my cholesterol, so I'm trying dietary changes and exercise first.
Cutting way back on sugar, that lowers triglyceride levels, eating fiber, more veggies, exercise.....

I might have to travel further, and into the city, for a new doctor if she doesn't work out. I wish we didn't have such a doctor shortage up here

reply to post by snowspirit


Most doctors this days "are drug pushers" because that is how they get incentives, the big pharma have bought them out, they either belong to their crowd or doctors will find out how lonely the can be without big pharma support.

Something that people do not understand is that the body makes its own cholesterol, that is how important cholesterol is for our main organs, specially the brain and hart

The promoters of statins want to make you think that the body will kill you that your liver is your enemy and that you need to fight the body with harmful chemicals to force the liver from no making cholesterol.

It is the out side influences what is causing all the damage, specially the modern day diet loaded with sugars, chemical lab made oils and processed easy to cook foods.

Read articles from Dr. Linus Pauling on Vitamin C who won a nobel prize for finding the real solution to vascular disease. Statins are frequently given for the wrong reason.

CJCrawley
You don't have to take a statin for ever, regardless what your GP told you.

... and when you refuse, they mark your chart as 'not cooperative'. And they dont' tell you the truth about the drugs so that they can try to get you to take them. And they get seriously SNOTTY with you making it impossible to have any dealings with them.

I had to switch doctors because of all that ...

reply to post by FlyersFan


This is why I don't go to Doctors and will slink out of Obummercare by way of religious out. Of course when I get full time I will be getting the insurance for my child which means I have to cover myself too, but that doesn't mean I am seeing the doctor actually. But yeah I think they mostly suck and my kid has ear aches her whole life and just had another physical for school, they never find any problem with her ears.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I think statins are dangerous. I'm taking raw garlic each day.

reply to post by Taissa


The best way to get the same effect is to eat hot peppers and citrus fruit especially grapefruit it burns cholesterol more effectively than any Statin.

Thanks for the info! I'll be sure to be advised should I ever get cholesterol problems or encounter family/friends that do. I suppose this would fit in just right with the conspiracy of the increase in vaccines in babies which undoubtedly increases risk of mental disorders such as autism but not so much as they are much older and developed.

Something tells me that someone out there wants Americans to be even more stupid and they're doing so one generation at a time.

ColeYounger
This is par for the course. It's all about money, plain and simple.
It's a travesty that the almighty dollar and big pharma control every aspect of the medical industry...from the mutli-billion dollar research institutes to the small town family doctor.
Prescribing drugs is their stock-in-trade. It's downright evil.

I had an elderly neighbor who was prescribed 17 medications. Seventeen!

Not only does the medical industry\big pharma keep producing new drugs non-stop, they create new
medical conditions\diseases\maladies so they can have their army of doctors prescribe the drugs.

I remember in the late 1990s, the pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline launched a huge campaign to peddle their drug Paxil. They distributed pamphlets claiming that one in eight Americans had social anxiety disorder. That's insane!

To my knowledge, the U.S. and New Zealand are the only countries that allow direct-to-consumer marketing for medications. We will soon be seeing an endless stream of these statin drugs advertised in TV commercials, pamphlets, and ads in every printed medium available.

My father in law is on 12 different medications a day. He complained to me last summer - "I don't understand why I have to take all of these pills".

Atenolol
Metformin
Phenergan - to counteract nausea from Metformin
Lasix
Lipitor
Celexa - because he feels depressed, but thinks the Atenolol is causing depression and low energy
Valium- because he says the celexa makes him a little restless
Trazodone - bedtime, for restless feelings and insomnia
Meclizine - because he says his ears make him dizzy
Belviq - to help him keep his weight down
Restasis - dry eyes, probably a side effect from one of his drugs he is on
Celebrex

I am completely astonished that he is able to walk or function. My mother in law and father in law both listen to everything their doctors tell them to do. They will take whatever drug the doctor gives them. My mother in law is on 6 different pills a day.

My father in law was telling me last summer at a BBQ how tired he feels. As soon as he starts to complain about the medication, my mom in law shushes him and says the doctor wants him to take them.

On the counter, they keep all their pills in those pill cases and there are timers set up so they don't forget their pills. They are both swallowing pills all day long. I think it's criminal that this doctor has them propped up on all of this medication.

My grandmother died in the hospital at the age of 92. She was a spry old woman, who was extremely healthy and fit. She traveled even at the age of 90, and drove her own car. She came down with a nasty UTI, went to the ER, they admitted her, gave her a pain medication in her IV and she went into cardiac arrest from the pain medicine (allergic reaction). The medicine killed her! I know she would have lived to be 100 had this not happened.

ldyserenity
reply to post by Taissa

 

The best way to get the same effect is to eat hot peppers and citrus fruit especially grapefruit it burns cholesterol more effectively than any Statin.

Thank you I'll be checking into this.

Now obviously this is not a scientific study by any means by I do find it interesting.

I'm Cuban and still have family in Cuba. I can't think of a more so called unhealthy group of people when it comes to eating.

In Cuba anything and everything you ate was drenched with pure lard , consisted of starches, and few if any vegetables. Most of my family has high cholesterol including myself yet most have lived into the late 80's and 90's. I have never heard of any family or friends in Cuba that has have died of any heart disease condition.

On the other hand , family and friends that have moved to the US have had heart disease and strokes.

Their diet continues to stay the same for the most part. Some of the differences I see is they eat more meat since its easily available unlike in Cuba and the food they eat here is most likely processed and filled with preservatives. Perhaps the quantity is also increased once they arrive here do to availability.

reply to post by Taissa


By the time my mother was 58 she was on 9 different medications and she could no even eat due to the stomach problems the pills were causing.

My sister had no clue that she was on so many medications until my mother stop producing insulin, is not history of diabetes in my family, my grandmother and sister are alive and well in their 90s.

We all believe that all those medications contributed to the failure of my mother's pancreas, now she has to take insulin for the rest of her life, my mother is now in her late 60s.

The last time I went for a routine app. with my doctor, as I was waiting to be seen the older lady in the next room was been interviewed by the nurse, I could hear everything they were talking, I counted about 15 different drugs that the poor lady was on, I just could not believe how a person can take soo many drugs and still be functional, the list read just like the one you posted and more.

reply to post by interupt42


You forgot one thing, here most processed foods have GMO ingredients and chemical created oils. Animal fat is natural and the body can digest it more easily, no so with lab oils, combine that with GMOs and you got poison.

reply to post by Taissa


Holy cow that's just ridiculous! This is a scenario that is far too common unfortunately. Take my wife for example, last week she went to the doctor because I told her she has symptoms of tonsillitis. She went there, she was diagnosed with tonsillitis, she was given antibiotics. But then she started feeling other symptoms, I told her to get checked out but I'm pretty sure I knew what those other symptoms were leading to which wasn't that big of a deal but just as a precaution. So she goes back and the doctor gives her 4 more pills to take. I wasn't sure exactly what they were because brand name doesn't mean anything, so I looked them up and I told her to not take them. I went to the pharmacy and got her to order a pill bottle. She took it and felt so much better. The doctor was prescribing her medication that counteracted each others side effects without really paying attention on the root cause. Want to know? Stress. So I got her anti-diarrhea pills and she was fine after a good massage and some time away from everything. No need for pain meds and counter-acting medication, just simple R&R.

Some times, a simpler approach is the best kind. That's what I've learned from being a software engineer. She got better within two-days and was perfectly healthy. No more infection, no more pain anywhere. She still takes her antibiotics for obvious reasons but she didn't have to damage her liver by taking 4 extra pills per day. Typically I just diagnose her without going to the hospital because they tend to treat her that way, and getting prescriptions is just a walk to the pharmacy since no dr's note is required. There are good physicians out there but sometimes you're stuck with what you get. I know, I'm no doctor but I studied a little to become one prior to doing what I do today so I feel a little more confident than I could be. I suppose debugging is part of my nature and I'll be damned if random pills are forcefully pushed down our throats. Medicine is great but it's not a miracle worker, it has flaws and side effects that sometimes doctors tend to ignore.

marg6043
By the time my mother was 58 she was on 9 different medications and she could no even eat due to the stomach problems the pills were causing.

I'm close to that age and, if I took all the pills the doctors wanted me on, I'd probably be on 9 different meds as well. I'm keeping it down to one because I can't deal with life without it. (plaquinel for my autoimmune). Without it, I'd be stuck in bed or I'd just jump off a bridge somewhere. But the rest they want me on ... nope .... not doing it.

reply to post by FlyersFan


This is weird, even apart from keeping in mind the serious side effects of these things.

Just recently, the UK has acknowledged that over 40 years of advice on lowering colesterol and reducing animal fat intake may have been completely wrong, and may have contributed to the ill health and deaths of millions of people in the EU over the last 40 years...and now we're seeing this?!

Something really doesn't add up.

Profit out of medicine is the only way.

in a recent study of 4 million peeps statins showed ZERO benefit
and with all the liabilities
gaia-health.com...

Millions more told to take statins
Millions more Britons may be told to take statins to lower their chance of strokes and heart attacks, after research that caused a radical change in American healthcare guidance

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Millions taking statins 'needlessly'
Up to 3 million people are taking statins needlessly, doctors warn today in a comprehensive study that suggests they are ineffective in many cases and could be doing more harm than good.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

maybe healthcare should go easy on the crack too...pretty sure it isn't helping

reply to post by FlyersFan


I'm in a similar boat FF
i was symptom free on alternative medicine
now I'm on the socialist Kanukistanian health care...ooops, i mean symptom management for profit system
things are infintely worse and trending