What are 'the heavens' and why do you believe they exist?
There are different heavens. One may refer to the atmosphere that encompasses the earth, our sky. There is also the heavens that is the universe, or
everything that we can see, or know about in our physical realm of existence. There is also a spirit realm which the Bible refers to as heavens.
This is the heavens that is being referred to as encompassing the others.
As for the shape of the universe, this is speculated by observation of objects and structures within the universe. Just as an artist has a uniqueness
in their work that gives away who they are, there is no doubt that the Great Artist has left a similar mark on the physical universe he created. It
is true that the universe may be more rectangular, but it definitely has a shape.
...since all of the above statements are highly questionable, why should we give any credence whatsoever to the claims made in the second half
of your post?
You or anyone who doesn't wish to does not have to, and there is no reason to try and reason with those who don't want to reason. When the broom does
not answer someone it may be because he did not see the question, or merely because that person is not worthy of a reply just as it was wisely
counseled may ages ago in a certain work: "Further, turn down foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing they produce fights." -2 Timothy 2:23.
How does one sit on a dimension? Could you please explain more clearly?
The universe that we know to exist (can see with our eye) is everything that we see. A dimension is a line of reference, a point as it were. By
means of a dimension we can determine how things in the visible universe relate to each other in terms of appearance, speed, distance, sound, texture,
and other aspects. The term "sit" perhaps does not do this inner dimension that exists justice. It was a term used to help the reader understand
the concept. Much as God does not have eyes or ears as we understand them, or just as the sun does not literally rise or set, it is the earth that is
actually turning on its axis.
Some of the questions you asked above were already answered, instead of repeating, you may wish to go back and re-read.
I notice you have a tendency to vanish from these forums when someone asks you pertinent questions, like the ones above. Show us a feather of a
different colour this time, please, and provide some answers.
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That is curious, because just in this thread the broom had quite a nice conversation with someone about black holes, and answered question after
question. And in other threads, whenever he sees a question that is honest he will try and respond.
Yet you are allowed to believe as you wish. Hopefully this slander about a broom is done out of ignorance. Now he has turned down foolish and
ignorant questioning. But that is because he knows they produce fights.
Here are some pertinent scriptures referring to some of the answers given about the heavens beyond ours. Now to answer your question about how do we
know what is beyond it? There is no way a human can see it or know of ourselves for we cannot see it. The only way to know is if someone from that
realm gave us information about it. Which has been done:
"And who could retain power to build him a house? For the heavens and the heaven of the heavens cannot contain him..."2 Chronicles 2:6.
"The God that made the world and all the things in it, being, as this One is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples." Acts
"And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.” Exodus 33:20.
"He made the heavens bend as he descended, and thick gloom was beneath his feet." -Psalm 18:9.
"your [established place] of dwelling" 2Chronicles 6:39
"In the [house] of my father there are [many abodes], ...[a place]" John 14:2
"receive you [home]" John 14:3
"God is [light] and there is [no darkness at all] in union with him" 1John 1:5
"(Jesus) who dwells in [unapproachable light], whom not one of men has seen or can see." 1Timothy 6:16
"light beyond the brilliance of the sun" Acts 26:12
"a [holy (clean, pure) place]...into heaven itself" Hebrews 9:24
"a [city] of the living God...and myriads of angels." Hebrews 12:22
"I (God) will keep undisturbed and look upon my established place, [like the dazzling heat along with the light], like the cloud of dew in the heat of
harvest." Isaiah 18:4
"Pretty for loftiness" Psalms 48:2
"heaven...your lofty abode of holiness and beauty" Isaiah 63:15
"a pillar in the [temple] of my God" Revelation 3:12
"an opened [door] in heaven" Revelation 4:1
"a [throne] was in its position in heaven, and there was one seated upon the throne." Revelation 4:2
"there was something in appearance [like sapphire stone], the likeness of a throne." Ezekiel 1:26
"round about the throne there is [a rainbow like an emerald] in appearance." Revelation 4:3
"There was [something like the appearance of the bow] that occurs in a cloud mass on the day of a pouring rain." Ezekiel 1:28
"what [seemed like a work of sapphire flagstones] and like the very heavens for purity." Exodus 24:10.
"angels in heaven" Matthews 18:10.
"God's angels ascending and descending" Genesis 28:12.
"Making his angels spirits...[a devouring fire]." Psalms 104:4.
"How [fear-inspiring] this place is...the gate of the heavens" Genesis 28:17.
"this [great phenomenon]" Exodus 3:3.
"there was a [tempestuous wind] coming from the north [a great cloud mass and quivering fire, and it had a brightness all around], and out of the
midst of it there was [something like the look of electrum], out of the midst of the fire." Ezekiel 1:4.
"the living creatures (cherubic angels), their appearance was like burning coals of fire. Something like the appearance of torches was moving back and
forth between the living creatures, and out of the fire there was lightning going forth." Ezekiel 1:13.
"Every precious stone was your covering, ruby, topaz and jasper; chrysolite, onyx and jade; sapphire, turquoise and emerald; and of gold...the
anointed cherub...On the holy mountain of God you proved to be. In the midst of fiery stones you walked about." Ezekiel 28:13, 14.
"[an expanse of awesome ice, stretched out] over their heads up above." Ezekiel 1:22.
"the [mountain of meeting]" Isaiah 14:13.
"His clothing was white just like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire."
"There was a stream of fire flowing and going out from before him." Daniel 7:10.
Finally these words of Jesus to Nicodemus seem quite fitting here:
If I have told you earthly things and you still do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
- John 3:12.
And again what was stated in another place:
But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him
. -1 Corinthians 2:14.
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