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you might not like Obama ,but you got to agree with this

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posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 10:42 AM
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To me the Shut Down was not a wise choice.... all it did was add to the debt, forced workers from jobs, and this unnecessary damage to economy
usnews.nbcnews.com... from the link

Obama says shutdown caused 'completely unnecessary damage' to economy

Overnight President Obama signed a temporary debt deal into law that ended the government shutdown and increased the nation's borrowing limit to avoid a possible financial default. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
By Erin McClam, Staff Writer, NBC News
President Barack Obama said Thursday, as the federal government blinked back to life, that the 16-day shutdown and threat of national default had inflicted “completely unnecessary damage on our economy.”
“The American people are completely fed up with Washington,” he said from the White House. “Nothing has done more to undermine our economy these last three years that the kind of tactics that create these manufactured crises.”
He spoke hours after Congress swerved at the last minute to dodge a threatened economic catastrophe and ended the standoff, leaving Republicans with little to show for the fight.
Hundreds of thousands of furloughed workers were ordered back on the job. At the Capitol, where two nighttime votes ended the stalemate, tours — for a clearly frustrated American public — were set to resume.
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The U.S. Geological Survey, the people who map mountains and measure earthquakes, posted a simple message on Twitter at sunrise, 16 days after its last tweet: “ … and we’re back.”
Barricades came down at national monuments. A Park Ranger took down the “THIS SITE IS CLOSED” sign at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
The Smithsonian museum said it would open again Thursday, but other institutions needed a little more time to get back to business. The gates of the National Zoo will open Friday, the halls of the National Gallery of Art on Saturday.
Panda Cam, which allows admirers to check in on Mei Xiang and her cub, was still blacked out, but the National Zoo said it should be back later Thursday.

White House Budget Office
A memo from the White House Budget Office ordering the reopening of government departments and agencies following the end of the government shutdown.

The Office of Management and Budget, which oversees the executive branch, posted a notice: “All employees who were on furlough due to the absence of appropriations may now return to work. You should reopen offices in a prompt and orderly manner.”
The restart came after votes in the Senate, by 81-18, and the House, by 285-144, to end the shutdown and extend the government’s power to borrow money.
all over the Obama care?? no there has to be more to it than some health plan




posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 10:56 AM
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all over the Obama care?? no there has to be more to it than some health plan


Yep! Republicans, from the get go, have a affirmed and reaffirmed their resolve to sabotage this president's efforts at every turn, and this "do nothing" Congress has done just that.


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posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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If you have a credit card and the limit is $5000 and you max it out the company will not let you charge anything else. You are only allowed to pay off the balance. If there is no debt limit increase the only way the US will default is if the government CHOOSES not to pay the debt and keep spending on other things.

But it does force a defacto balanced budget amendment because they will only be allowed to spend what they have. No one is saying this in the media because no one in power wants to reduce spending because that reduces the power the politicians of both parties wield over the citizens.

Raising the debt limit puts the nation at a greater risk of default because once the interest rates rise then we will not be able to make the payments. We have never entered into a recession with interest rates at 0%, when that happens the Fed will be out of options and then hyperinflation and a collapsed economy. They know this but are allowing it to happen and the population are too stupid to notice or care.



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:01 AM
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It is about the government letting people know that it can destroy the economy if they want to. It is a flex of muscle to keep people in line with lots of propaganda to back it. It isn't working well anymore, people communicate with others on the net, what one person knows many others do.

I can see a complete shutdown of the internet in the future and a false flag to back their reasoning. I think it is just a matter of time and that time will be in the next six months. Knocking out power may be essential for this to happen as a coverup and when power comes back up it will be for essentials only, no internet will be allowed to function along with cell phones. All we will be able to get is government supplied news. Media will once again be controlled completely. I suppose the net is making a lot of societies problems worse, but that is partially because the truth is being spread along with deceit.



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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Well it shouldnt have added to the debt, government wasnt able to spend.

If the shutdown did damage the economy, it means that America has pretty much collapsed if our economy is that reliant on government. Government doesnt produce anything. All they can do is take our money and borrow money they dont have.

But he is right that the shut down didnt have to occur.

The only thing that the vultures in DC had to do was cut spending starting with the overseas empire and domestic police state.

Money and power hungry politicians in DC cut spending? Yah right.


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posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:06 AM
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What a show... magically coming together after scaremongering for 16 days.

I saw it coming... knew they would Magically come together and not default.

These people need to pack up and go home... what a disgrace to the American people... we have to call these dumb a$$es leaders. lol



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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“The American people are completely fed up with Washington,” he said from the White House. “Nothing has done more to undermine our economy these last three years that the kind of tactics that create these manufactured crises.”




These "manufactured crises" are SOP (standard operating procedure) for this government for the better part of a century. Problem-reaction-solution. Public theatre.

This joker occupiying the white house is the ultimate manufactured crisis. Sealed records, false records, obvious ties to CIA, 180 degree flip-flop on perpetual war against our people and total innocents in the middle east.

You're totally right that I do not like Obama, but the only thing I would agree with concerning this FPOS is his arrest and trial.




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posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:17 AM
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Actually no - I don't have to agree with this. And it has nothing to do with liking the president or not. The "shut down" has not really caused "completely unnecessary damage" to the economy. What is causing completely unnecessary damage to the economy is the relentless spending by the government. The solution to the debt crisis is not getting more in debt! It baffles me that so many Americans think that increasing government debt is such a good idea.


Why can't these morons start trimming the abundance of pork from the budget...well I guess they would need to have a budget in the first place. We spend billions on crap that we don't need, we send billions in "aid" to countries that either hate us or don't really need it! I think that is the first thing we should cut - foreign aid. How come we pay the bills for other countries when we can't possibly ever pay our own bills?

And this is not a partisan rant either. They all suck and they all deserve to be jailed.
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posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:19 AM
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You know that, I know that, but, because of our educational system and the MSM, the low information voter doesn't know that. Some of the people getting Government handouts may know that, but, don't care as long as they keep getting those handouts. I knew as soon as North Carolina said that it was going to start Welfare cutbacks that there was going to be an agreement reached.

What cracks me up are the people blaming the Republicans and the Tea Party for the problems caused by the shutdown. The Executive Branch determines what would and wouldn't be cut. That places the blame squarely at the feet of Obama. He did his best to hurt the maximum number of people so that he could put pressure on the Republicans to let him have what he wanted.



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:34 AM
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True. But the practical issue at-hand is default. We certainly don't want the government to borrow any more. But we've allowed ourselves to be painted into a corner. The fact is, like most businesses, the government has to borrow against revenue (tax receipts) to pay its bills. Had we defaulted, our credit rating would have been instantly downgraded and we would then be paying substantially more against our existing debt due to higher interest rates. Unfortunately, as long as we continue to elect politicians that are bought-and-paid-for by special interests and big business they will continue to act in the best interests of those benefactors irrespective of the harm they may be doing to the country. They don't work for us, they work for THEM.



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:35 AM
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The Tea Party extremists want some kind of Christian apocalypse to happen, and they are doing everything they can to fulfill and manifest Biblical end times prophecy.

SMH

Government shut downs are what happens when you let nutters with extreme views and a heavy religious influence into positions of power.

Middle East Islam is controlled by their own version of "Tea Party" fundamentalists. That really seems to be working for them over there.



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:40 AM
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Well, then the GOP might want to stop tacking on billion dollar ear marks.


Though the deal comes with concessions from both parties, it also benefits McConnell's home state of Kentucky.

Section 123 of the Senate bill secures $2.918 billion in funding for the Olmsted Lock and Dam Authority for a dam project on the Ohio River being developed by URS Corp., a construction management company. That's a huge boost from the $775 million originally allotted. URS told The Wall Street Journal that the project -- one of the largest taken on by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers -- would halt without more funding.


Kentucky Wins Sweet Deal in $2.9 Billion Budget Bill Earmark



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:42 AM
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Not one of you seem to get the big picture... this is just a stall tactic in Feb it starts all over again ,I'm betting it will be a 26 day shutdown just to be passed for another 3 months and so on till one day some nation says "pay up in full" by then it might be the grand sell off of states to cover the debt.



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:44 AM
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It's too bad the Obama can't find Harry Truman's little desktop icon "The buck stops here."

This president makes me ashamed of America. All of both party incumbents need to be voted out of office. The sooner the better.



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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yep more pork to the pot of debt wonder who else got some pork to their bill or state pet project.. bet not one program for the poor got a piece of the pork. VD SS EBT or any other program WIC.
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posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:48 AM
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And you don't seem to get you keep misusing the same words and talking points being fed by the media. The US spends 50 Billion a quarter on debt interest. The US takes in 250 Billion in taxes, fees, and tariffs. Now the government can easily pay the debt payments first without a limit increase but will only be allowed to spend whats left over. They don't want to do that.

As for your "government shut down", again THEY decide what is shut down and what isn't. Is the IRS still taking in taxes? Yes. Is the military still functioning? Yes. Are the politicians still getting paid? Yes. Only 17% of the government did not function as normal during your "shut down".

Stop parroting what you are being told and start thinking for yourself.



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 11:58 AM
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Nope. Dont 'got to' agree with it.

Its all a big show. This was planned. As I said in the other thread, big #ing shock, they reached an 11th hour deal, or some saving grace magically appears on the scene to save us all.

I do not agree with the concept of government being a theater, which is exactly what it has devolved into.



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posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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and you seem to pass over the lost income from what the shutdown caused just because you did not feel the pinch there are others that did, not just the Gov overpaid employees but small towns that depend on the Fed parks being opened, Veterans that need meds people that needed SS papers being filed.



posted on Oct, 17 2013 @ 12:02 PM
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Ok all you debt worriers and anti spenders here is the solution. No more military-industrial complex spending. That's right, no more wars. Then the next step is to cut off oil subsidies and quit giving money to the richest business on the planet. Next step? Cut off foreign aid, if we don't have it for ourselves then we certainly don't have it for someone else. So the solution isn't taking grandmas social security check or food stamps from children or robbing education it's quit making the rich richer. Funny how we never hear these things mentioned when they talk about spending. Not once not ever.



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