Prime mover with allegedly stolen parts seized from bikies by police and military(AUS)

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posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 06:04 AM
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From what I can gather the Army was called in simply because they had a truck big enough to tow the "Prime Mover". From the looks of it the Army blokes weren't armed.




posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 06:06 AM
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redgy
at least until legislation allows the australian police force the right to carry military grade automatic
weapons


What makes you think they cannot carry them now? Please show us the legislation that stops them.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 06:30 AM
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And I saw the pictures of the 30 arrested bikies in a paper too.

By the pictures of some of these bikie types, you can only come to the conclusion that they are major losers.



You see these types hanging around, and they are some of the worst looking loser thug types I have seen since I moved to Oz about a year ago. It's a shame they can't try to become viable members of Oz society.



While these types are major loser thug types,



These bikies are like the mafia... and sell drugs to these kids, and ruin their lives, or help to I should say.


Nope. I'm not the one generalising about an entire group of people because I don't like the look of them. That's ALL you.

But you don't seem to get that, you're happy to look at the 'loser thugs' who you assume are outlaw bikers and that's all you need to do.

Sorry if that upsets you, little guy, you've only been here .. a year? Oh well, there is time yet.

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posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 07:09 AM
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phantom150



Frankly you would need military involvement to clean up the Gold Coast


Even our military doesn't have that sort of fire-power to clean up GC!
At the end of the day these gangs are only supplying for the demand, while I agree something has to be done about all the misuse of party drugs particularly around schoolies events the issue is larger than just a arresting a few figures and confiscating a few firearms.

For the most part the bike gangs seem to be targeting only other gangs not involving bystanders, in my opinion the force was to have 1000 officers simultaneously search every known gang house was excessive over 2x firearms (which were never found) and a truck with a stolen engine in it.




It's a difficult situation, but ultimately the criminal element is being allowed to dictate terms, this to me is unacceptable. Granted they tend to attack each other and don't specifically target the general population, however there intent in this regard would be cold comfort to someone who loses a loved one to a stray bullet during one of there drive by shootings....

Until the obvious solution (legislating there product out from under them) is taken by tptb, I see no reason whatsoever not to engage them head on with whatever force is required be it military or otherwise to cripple these organizations. Keep hitting them until they are either all locked up for life or dead, better them than innocent bystanders.

I'd very much like to see them looking over there shoulders, constantly wondering if today is the day the SAS is coming to erm, "speak" to them....





posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 07:21 AM
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700 - yes 700 pleece on the job, looking for an AK47 used in a drive by.

Came up with - nought !

How much did that particular FAIL cost us taxpayers ? !!

Vic. Police. The best money can buy !




posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 07:33 AM
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amraks


A group of more than a dozen army and Taskforce Echo police officers swooped on the property in Technical Drive, Craigieburn, around 8.45am to search the vehicle, which was believed to contain stolen parts.

Police escorted a man, who arrived in a ute with another man shortly after the search began, off the property before the men drove away.

Prime mover with allegedly stolen parts seized from bikies by police and military(AUS)

Not sure what is going on here but seems like the military are doing joint operations with the police.

Not sure how unusual this is.
Anyone Know if this is unusual?
Is this training them for a bigger operation?

But the raids have proved once again that the criminals will always have weapons, gun bans or no gun bans.

(Hope I put this in the right place.)


The military do not do joint operations with the police on a regular basis.

The Army was called in to provide LOGISTICAL support.
This is not a case of soldiers running around suburban streets in combat gear.

If you look at the video footage of the operation, you will see a logistical/engineering army vehicle being used, and soldiers in their fatigues(NO COMBAT GEAR IN SIGHT) going over one of the prime movers with the stolen engine.
Now, a truck engine is a pretty big damn piece of machinery.
Police do not commonly chase down stolen truck engines..purely because they are so big to steal in the first place. This is a rare incident, and the police decided to call the army for some heavy lifting support.

The police in Victoria(where this happened) have been cracking down hard lately against the Hells Angels. Over 700 LAW ENFORCEMENT were involved, this included local stat police and federal police as well as customs agents.
There have been multiple raids.

What the police are looking for in particular at the moment is two high powered military assault rifles. An M4 and AK47. Both of which have been USED by the Hells Angels in shootings against rival gangs.

Make no mistake, groups like the Hells Angels are not a bunch of old men who enjoy riding motorbikes with the wind in their hair.
They are a multinational criminal organization, and are basically a type of low intensity domestic and international terrorist group.
A few years ago in the state of South Australia the local Hells Angels chapters got into an on-off war with a street gang. The situation got to the point where senior Hells Angels in the United States sent orders that basically amounted to kill orders. The local chapters were to shoot, stab, bash, etc any rival gang member they saw on sight. No questions asked, no ifs or buts. They were to take action immediately. And why? Because they felt their organizations reputation was being tarnished and weakened.

This is how they react over their reputation.
And we've all seen how they react amongst them selves(them selves being between rival gangs) when their illegal operations and the profits from them are threatened.

We've had bombings in suburbs, shootings and wild west style shoot outs in public places, attempted assassinations in cafes, bashings, stabbings, assassinations in suburban streets, in super markets, home invasions where children have been shot, drive by shootings of homes where gang members USED TO LIVE(and where innocent people now live).


I, as an Australian, am bloody glad that the police are finally cracking down.
Because things are about to get a whole lot worse in Australia, with the American based Mongols moving in and patching over the Finks MC(which has a reputation as one of the most violent gangs in Australia). The Finks and Hells Angels hate each other. The Hells Angels and Mongols hate each other. The Mongols are now in Australia, and are automatically one of the biggest gangs with the take over of the Finks.

The drug trade isn't slowing down in Australia any time soon, it's growing at a very fast pace.
With another violent gang establishing it self by taking over an existing violent gang, both of whom have an existing violent rivalry against another existing violent gang, well....what could possibly go wrong with that...?



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 08:13 AM
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The military do not do joint operations with the police on a regular basis.

The Army was called in to provide LOGISTICAL support.
This is not a case of soldiers running around suburban streets in combat gear.

If you look at the video footage of the operation, you will see a logistical/engineering army vehicle being used, and soldiers in their fatigues(NO COMBAT GEAR IN SIGHT) going over one of the prime movers with the stolen engine.
Now, a truck engine is a pretty big damn piece of machinery.
Police do not commonly chase down stolen truck engines..purely because they are so big to steal in the first place. This is a rare incident, and the police decided to call the army for some heavy lifting support.

The police in Victoria(where this happened) have been cracking down hard lately against the Hells Angels. Over 700 LAW ENFORCEMENT were involved, this included local stat police and federal police as well as customs agents.
There have been multiple raids.

What the police are looking for in particular at the moment is two high powered military assault rifles. An M4 and AK47. Both of which have been USED by the Hells Angels in shootings against rival gangs.

Make no mistake, groups like the Hells Angels are not a bunch of old men who enjoy riding motorbikes with the wind in their hair.
They are a multinational criminal organization, and are basically a type of low intensity domestic and international terrorist group.
A few years ago in the state of South Australia the local Hells Angels chapters got into an on-off war with a street gang. The situation got to the point where senior Hells Angels in the United States sent orders that basically amounted to kill orders. The local chapters were to shoot, stab, bash, etc any rival gang member they saw on sight. No questions asked, no ifs or buts. They were to take action immediately. And why? Because they felt their organizations reputation was being tarnished and weakened.

This is how they react over their reputation.
And we've all seen how they react amongst them selves(them selves being between rival gangs) when their illegal operations and the profits from them are threatened.

We've had bombings in suburbs, shootings and wild west style shoot outs in public places, attempted assassinations in cafes, bashings, stabbings, assassinations in suburban streets, in super markets, home invasions where children have been shot, drive by shootings of homes where gang members USED TO LIVE(and where innocent people now live).


I, as an Australian, am bloody glad that the police are finally cracking down.
Because things are about to get a whole lot worse in Australia, with the American based Mongols moving in and patching over the Finks MC(which has a reputation as one of the most violent gangs in Australia). The Finks and Hells Angels hate each other. The Hells Angels and Mongols hate each other. The Mongols are now in Australia, and are automatically one of the biggest gangs with the take over of the Finks.

The drug trade isn't slowing down in Australia any time soon, it's growing at a very fast pace.
With another violent gang establishing it self by taking over an existing violent gang, both of whom have an existing violent rivalry against another existing violent gang, well....what could possibly go wrong with that...?

Couldn't bring myself to shorten this at all to respond, it's that accurate I think everyone should read it twice so it really sinks in....
I tip my hat and offer a star sir....



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 10:42 AM
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I forgot to reply to a few other posts, so I'll do it now.


This is NOT a case of getting Australians used to seeing soldiers on the streets.

For starters, soldiers were not on the streets in any capacity that we haven't seen them before.
It is not uncommon to see a military truck of varying size, driving along a main road in an Australian city.
We also see them every year when a major natural disaster strikes. They do a great job. Responding to major disasters, natural or otherwise, is part of the Australian Defence Force's roles and duties. Not only do they respond to major disasters here in Australia, but they are often the first ones to arrive and provide assistance to nearby Pacific Island nations when a natural disaster strikes. They assist in rebuilding those nations practically every single year.

Secondly, as I stated, they were there to provide logistical support to the police.


And the claim that Australian Police forces do not have assault rifles and the like, completely bogus.
Every single state and territory in Australia has it's own police special operations unit, basically swat teams, which each state/territory has it's own unique name for.

This is an image of Victoria's SOG(Special Operations Group)..


Every single special police unit like SOG in every Australian state and territory is armed with assault rifles among other weapons.


Like I said, the only reason the Army was involved in this single raid in Melbourne, was for logistical reasons. The police do not operate large engineering/logistical vehicles capable of lifting a truck engine, simply because there is no need for them to have a specialized vehicle for every single possibly imaginable scenario. They'd have a million individual vehicles.
This is probably the first time they've ever had to deal with a stolen truck engine in a truck.
I doubt they'll be rushing off to buy an vehicle like the army brought in to help them.



People need to relax, and think with LOGIC and REASON.
There is no grand conspiracy to bring Australian troops on to the streets of our cities.

Some of you guys in America might be so disenchanted with your governments, but that doesn't mean you should go around projecting your insecurities and conspiracy theories on other societies.

Australia is a very different place to America, politically and socially.
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posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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Art pretty much covered it!
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posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 11:16 AM
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Kryties
From what I can gather the Army was called in simply because they had a truck big enough to tow the "Prime Mover". From the looks of it the Army blokes weren't armed.


While that may be the case for the incident covered in this thread, it hasn't stopped speculation that the Army could be involved with raids against bikies in Queensland.




THE Army could join forces with Queensland Police to wage war against outlaw bikie gangs.

Australian Defence Force personnel yesterday assisted Victorian Police in a raid on a Hells Angels' property in Melbourne.

And Queensland Police Minister Jack Dempsey is ready to consider any request from police here if they want to enlist military support in the bikies battle.

"It would be a matter for the Commissioner (Ian Stewart) to raise if he felt the QPS required the assistance of any other agency," a spokeswoman for Mr Dempsey said.


www.couriermail.com.au...



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 06:56 PM
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your observations about Australia are about as accurate as me watching an episode of the dukes of hazard and assuming that is what America is like,and writing up some pompous observation of it.....



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 09:14 PM
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hopenotfeariswhatweneed
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your observations about Australia are about as accurate as me watching an episode of the dukes of hazard and assuming that is what America is like,and writing up some pompous observation of it.....


Read his whole post cause he has mentioned he is living here in Australia.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 09:17 PM
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Bikey voilence in Australia is being used in the same way war on terror is used in America
I live in south Australia and a fee years ago it was our state who first bought in the controversial bikey legislation.
The bikey's were getting a little out if control in our state with shootings in the CBD and a few night clubs being shot up.
The state used these to bring in dracon laws that took away peoples freddom to assemble and other crazy stuff.
I for one agree if they brake the law then deal with them but our bikey's were used like the USA's fight against Arabs.
They over exagerated there crimes and used our fear to keep us quiet while they stripped a little more of our freddom.
It was already illegal to have a gun without a licence and it was already illegal to shoot a weapon in a unsafe mammer they didn't have to change laws there were already laws in place to convict them for there bad behavour.
I was in QLD when the gold coast volience erupted a few weeks ago and on reading the qld papers I all the same minipulation and proper gander to take banana benders rights away.
And i hope that as other posters have stated that the army was only used beacuse of there heavy lifting truck and that we are not being desensitised to see our armed forces in policing roles in the future



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 10:38 PM
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thx I did...I have also lived in the USA....that still doesn't qualify me to make judgements of that nature...and for the record I live on the gold coast



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 10:49 PM
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hopenotfeariswhatweneed
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thx I did...I have also lived in the USA....that still doesn't qualify me to make judgements of that nature...and for the record I live on the gold coast


How long did you live in the US truthfully?



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 10:53 PM
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5 years ....I also lived in the UK for 10 years and have spend the last 25 years or so here in the land of oz ,and I travel back and forth regularly as my family are dotted about the globe.....



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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hopenotfeariswhatweneed
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5 years ....I also lived in the UK for 10 years and have spend the last 25 years or so here in the land of oz ,and I travel back and forth regularly as my family are dotted about the globe.....


well I would say you have the right to comment on them 2 places and the other poster has the right to comment on Australia.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 11:59 PM
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The weapons they are looking for are military only issue. Much like the rocket launcher that was 'found' in errant civilian possession a few years ago, the last time they had open joint searches. Military believe someone has been leaking ammo and guns out of bases here, again. No biggy. Nothing really to do with the fact its bikers other than they have acquired the weapons, its more about who's leaking. The guys some of you say you saw btw, were not a logistical unit at all, they are MP and DSD investigators. :/ ppl really need to stop being so paranoid.



Ro
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 12:05 AM
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Rosha
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The weapons they are looking for are military only issue. Much like the rocket launcher that was 'found' in errant civilian possession a few years ago, the last time they had joint searches. Military believe someone has been leaking ammo and guns out of bases here, again. No biggy. Nothing really to do with the fact its bikers other than they have acquired the weapons, its more about who's leaking.

Ro
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I posted this not the fact that I thought was a big deal but the fact it was interesting.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 12:10 AM
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Cops do it too, store up burned weapons and then sell them off ..its not that unusual. This time they are looking specifically for two assault rifles and one case of ammo that are cover tagged..so they'll know it when they see it. Its all likely greased up and sunk by now given its 25yrs for a theft of military hardware.





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