Christian group: ‘Better to die than live in pro-gay world’

FlyersFan
NAMBLA = pedophilia, adult on child only.
Homosexual = consenting adults only.
There is a difference.

edit on 10/11/2013 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)

I agree flyersfan, but tell that to the GAY activists supporting NAMBLA. And while we are talking about what the gay community is pushing for, then the gay community needs to put a stop to NAMBLA. I don't see them even trying to.

But do you get the point about the wording they use? It's the same within the gay community.

I have a problem with grown adults with little girls and would put a stop to that as well, but I wouldn't go around saying "If two people really love each other, then what's the problem" or "age is just a number".

Homosexual means "sexual attraction to the same gender". Homosexual does not have within its meaning the issue of age. You know what homosexual means.

But if there is a difference, then why isn't the gay community saying there is?

Are you afraid to go to the NAMBLA website to see what it really stands for beyond just man/ boy love? Do you see the literature they are distributing?

You got a problem here, you advocate the very same philosophy, and then can't grasp that they are using it as well. What you have in essence done, is the very thing I said would happen, a sweeping under the rug the very same statements made from within the gay community as well as NAMBLA. Either directly address NAMBLA or stop using their philosophy.

LewsTherinThelamon
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

If you're gay, you're a pedophile

Is that pretty much what you are trying to get at?

What about the straight guys who diddle small girls? Or are they actually gay and don't know it?

NOOOO, you know better than that. What I am saying is that you who advocate the gay community also advocate NAMBLA because of your refusal to address NAMBLA.

I call it pedophilia as well for men and little girls, but I don't go around saying "if two people really love each other...". Which is exactly what the gay community says, as well as NAMBLA.

If a grown man said that about a little girl, I would punch him in the face. But I don't go around justifying his behavior because he's straight. But the gay community seems to have no problem when members of NAMBLA go to their events and stand up on the streets in parades and goes into courthouses to push for gay marriage.

The gay community has no problem with NAMBLA until they are directly forced to look at them. And that makes the gay community hypocritical.

The NAMBLA Constitution

This is the Constitution for NAMBLA

The Way Forward The first page of the NAMBLA Constitution contains the following passage: NAMBLA’s goal is to end the long-standing oppression of men and boys involved in any mutually consensual relationship by: 1) building a support network for such men and boys; [note: for, not of] 2) educating the public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love; 3) cooperating with the lesbian, gay, and other movements for sexual liberation; 4) supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.

If NAMBLA is cooperating with the gay community to educate people, then the gay community needs to see who is teaching them.

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reply to post by WarminIndy


Do you honestly believe, that the entirety of the gay community supports NAMBLA?

While I have no doubts that there are gay men who are closet pedophiles, the same can easily be said about heterosexuals.

A handful of gay men supporting NAMBLA does not equal all gay men supporting NAMBLA.

And what does NAMBLA have to do with gays getting married? Should we stop heterosexual couples from getting married simply because one heterosexual, somewhere, supports NAMBLA?

It seems absurd.

reply to post by WarminIndy


Gay doesn't equal child abuse or molestation.. Many gays are parents themselves.

Most Gays feel NAMBLA is a sick organization that most gays find as sick as straights.

Gays refused to allow their participation at many Gay Pride Day festivities including for example in Tampa, Orlando and Miami.

As a Miami Gay reported, a local gay newspaper (which is struggling financially) refused a pre-paid ad from NAMBLA. The Gay and Lesbian Community Center refuses to let them meet there. "NAMBLA" is a sick group and will never earn the respect of the gay community." - Dean Kennedy from Florida.
www.libchrist.com...

reply to post by WarminIndy

then the gay community needs to put a stop to NAMBLA

Why is it the sole responsibility of gay people to end NAMBLA?

A sentence like that does make it seem as if you are accusing all gay people of being pedophiles--hence it being their responsibility.

But, homosexuality and pedophilia are two separate groups. Shouldn't it be everyone's responsibility to "end NAMBLA?"

LewsTherinThelamon
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Do you honestly believe, that the entirety of the gay community supports NAMBLA?

While I have no doubts that there are gay men who are closet pedophiles, the same can easily be said about heterosexuals.

A handful of gay men supporting NAMBLA does not equal all gay men supporting NAMBLA.

And what does NAMBLA have to do with gays getting married? Should we stop heterosexual couples from getting married simply because one heterosexual, somewhere, supports NAMBLA?

It seems absurd.

edit on 11-10-2013 by LewsTherinThelamon because: (no reason given)

NAMBLA has been at the forefront of gay marriage since 1974. You didn't get that, did you? You didn't know the most outspoken proponent of gay marriage was Harry Hay. Are you seeing this?

No one in the gay community condemns Harry Hay. Do you see the problem now?

If you don't believe me, let's hear what the founder of the International Gay Lesbian Archives says

"Many of the men who picked me up so lovingly, would today be stigmatized as pedophiles. They were all kind and respectful and were very important to me. I've seen that same considered manner in most pedophiles I've known, though I don't share their love for children. ... Most, not all, men I've known who were as boys befriended by boy-lovers were grateful to them. Women who act seductively with boys (I often experienced that) are generally ignored -- probably just as well. ... "The upbringing of girls and boys differs so much, that lesbians tend to view all intergenerational sex (or even adult hetero-sex) in "power" terms. Most, not all, boys see it as an adventure, or seek the love their parents fail to give them. ... "Too many in our movement, victims themselves of prejudice and discrimination, pass those hatreds and fears to drag queens, pedophiles, bisexuals, leather men and women, transsexuals, and many other minorities within our community. We talk nicely about diversity, but practicing it is more difficult. ..." ~ Jim Kepner, pioneering gay activist, journalist and founder of the International Gay and Lesbian Archives, Los Angeles.

Wish they would stop talking about it, and actually do it. If it's better to die, then why don't they kill themselves? We're talking Christians here not Catholics, so they will need to repent while they do it.

I've said it before, religion is holding our species back.

reply to post by WarminIndy


It sounds like he was saying that he knew pedophiles that were nice to him.

LewsTherinThelamon
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

then the gay community needs to put a stop to NAMBLA

Why is it the sole responsibility of gay people to end NAMBLA?

A sentence like that does make it seem as if you are accusing all gay people of being pedophiles--hence it being their responsibility.

But, homosexuality and pedophilia are two separate groups. Shouldn't it be everyone's responsibility to "end NAMBLA?"

Oh, here's your problem, I seem to be the only one outraged here about NAMBLA and the ties NAMBLA has within the gay community.

But NAMBLA is the leading proponent for gay marriage, because the gay community does not say a word AGAINST NAMBLA. If NAMBLA fails in the gay marriage debate, then the gay community knows that their supporting foundation has now crumbled and since they don't want that to happen, they have no choice but to rely on it.

Do you understand the problem?

The gay community is going to have to look back at their history in the gay marriage debate, and if they can't acknowledge who their founders are, they can't keep hiding it. NAMBLA has made it political, and everyone who agrees with gay marriage is actually agreeing with the fundamental statements and advocacy of NAMBLA. It's a Catch-22.

Do you really think all of this education came from only the gay community? No, it came from NAMBLA who continually endorse every bit of it. Hiding it is not going to make it go away.

LewsTherinThelamon
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

It sounds like he was saying that he knew pedophiles that were nice to him.

Does a nice pedophile mean he is an accepted pedophile? Is that what we want our country to turn to? Let's do away with laws protecting 17 year-olds, well then 17 year-olds are fairly smart, so then let's pull the age down to 15 years-old. Well, they are kind of experimenting, but since they like girls and boys at that age, then let's pull it down to 12 years-old. And since 12 year-olds are beginning to like boys and girls, then let's pull the age down to 8 years-old.

That's exactly what NAMBLA is accomplishing.

The reason the gay community needs to put a stop to it, is because the gay community is benefitting by NAMBLA whether or not they agree with pedophilia. It needs to be addressed by the gay community, because the gay community is supported by NAMBLA.

WarminIndy
tell that to the GAY activists supporting NAMBLA.

There aren't many, if any at all.

the gay community needs to put a stop to NAMBLA. I don't see them even trying to.

1 - The gay community doesn't need to put a stop to NAMBLA any more than the heterosexual community does. There is no special commission that needs to be put on the gay community that is any different than the rest of us when it comes to NAMBLA.
2 - Read the information on statements from the gay community against NAMBLA
HERE

In 1994 the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) adopted a "Position Statement Regarding NAMBLA" saying GLAAD "deplores the North American Man Boy Love Association's (NAMBLA) goals, which include advocacy for sex between adult men and boys and the removal of legal protections for children. These goals constitute a form of child abuse and are repugnant to GLAAD." Also in 1994 the Board of Directors of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF) adopted a resolution on NAMBLA that said: "NGLTF condemns all abuse of minors, both sexual and any other kind, perpetrated by adults. Accordingly, NGLTF condemns the organizational goals of NAMBLA and any other such organization."

N 1994, ILGA expelled NAMBLA and two other groups (MARTIJN and Project Truth) because they were judged to be "groups whose predominant aim is to support or promote pedophilia."

Gregory King of the Human Rights Campaign later said that "NAMBLA is not a gay organization ... They are not part of our community and we thoroughly reject their efforts to insinuate that pedophilia is an issue related to gay and lesbian civil rights.

Homosexual means "sexual attraction to the same gender". Homosexual does not have within its meaning the issue of age. You know what homosexual means.

That's what NAMBLA claims. But it simply isn't true.
Psychology/UC Davis/Facts about homosexuality and pedophilia
From Johns Hopkins, and other sources -

According to Dr. Fred Berlin, a Johns Hopkins University professor who founded the National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma in Baltimore, Md., pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation marked by persistent, sometimes exclusive, attraction to prepubescent children.

Pedophiles are attracted, primarily, to children. The sex of those children matter less than that they are children. The sex of victim has more to do with access than sexual orientation.

From USA Today - We do not find a connection between homosexual identity and the increased likelihood of subsequent abuse from the data that we have right now ... It's important to separate the sexual identity and the behavior. Someone can commit sexual acts that might be of a homosexual nature but not have a homosexual identity.

From Mental Disorders of the New Millennium (2006) - Although the majority of clergy abuse victims are males, homosexuality cannot be blamed. First, many of the pedophile priests report that they are not homosexual. This is also true of many non-clergy sex offenders who victimize boys. Many report that they target boys for a variety of reasons that include easier access to boys ... pregnancy fears with female victims ... homosexuals in general have not been found to be more likely to commit sexual crimes against minors compared to heterosexuals. Sexual orientation is not predictive of sex crimes

But if there is a difference, then why isn't the gay community saying there is?

They have. Over and over. I gave just one link to information. There is much more out there.
They say it over and over ... but some people want there to be a connection when there simply
isn't one. Psychologically and physiologically pedophilia and homosexuality are two different things.
(yes, my degree is psychology)

You got a problem here,

No. Sorry, but I have no problem.

WarminIndy
the gay community is benefitting by NAMBLA whether or not they agree with pedophilia. It needs to be addressed by the gay community, because the gay community is supported by NAMBLA.

1 - The gay community is NOT benefiting in any way by NAMBLA. If anything, they are hurt by it because there are people out there (like you) who put the two groups together when they don't belong together.

2 - NAMBLA is trying to piggyback (excuse the expression) onto GLAAD and other gay community groups because they are legitimate and mainstreamed. That's not the fault of the gay community. They have made it very clear that they disapprove and want no part of them.

3 - Again - the gay community has addressed the issue of NAMBLA over and over. Condemned it and said they disagree completely with it. There is no reason to expect more out of the gay community. They have made their position very clear.

reply to post by WarminIndy

Does a nice pedophile mean he is an accepted pedophile? Is that what we want our country to turn to? Let's do away with laws protecting 17 year-olds, well then 17 year-olds are fairly smart, so then let's pull the age down to 15 years-old. Well, they are kind of experimenting, but since they like girls and boys at that age, then let's pull it down to 12 years-old. And since 12 year-olds are beginning to like boys and girls, then let's pull the age down to 8 years-old.

That's exactly what NAMBLA is accomplishing.

NAMBLA is responsible for puberty?

What you are referring to is a slippery slope. There are many European countries that have the age of consent set at 14-16. Which is completely reasonable. Those same countries do not tolerate pedophilia. There is a world of difference between a 14 year old and an 8 year old.

BUT. If you what you say is true, that the gay community is getting their political leadership from NAMBLA--without which, they would have no voice--then, yes, they need to do something about that.

But, your reasoning is still off. Even if what you claim is true, we cannot diminish personal liberty because of it, or use it as an excuse to control people's personal lives. You are basically holding liberty hostage.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

is being a christian some kind of secret club or something?

wouldnt it be easier to befriend the gays, welcome them in. then brainwash them into de-gay'ifying themselves without the guilt or threats of hell parts?

just being up front hating gay people seems like a bad approach to people with beliefs regarding converting the world.

Now for the main topic -

Christian group: ‘Better to die than live in pro-gay world’

If people are that homophobic then I suggest that they either get some psychological help or go ahead and commit suicide to 'decrease the surplus population' (yes, I just quoted Scrooge).

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Even God is laughing at religions 1 does only find pieces of truth in religion. For to reach the whole truth 1 must break free from religion

LewsTherinThelamon



But, your reasoning is still off. Even if what you claim is true, we cannot diminish personal liberty because of it, or use it as an excuse to control people's personal lives. You are basically holding liberty hostage.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

edit on 11-10-2013 by LewsTherinThelamon because: (no reason given)

Have I tried to diminish personal liberty? Or have I pointed out a flaw with the perspective of such personal liberty that there are no longer boundaries whatsoever?

I didn't mention grown married couples that are swingers, I didn't mention the many nudists, I didn't even mention pornography.

What I did mention was the sweeping under the rug and this comes from people who are gay that I have had conversations with. Again, are you supposing that no Christian ever had a relative that is gay? Are you supposing that Christians never spoke with a gay person at all?

But every time NAMBLA is mentioned, then it becomes an issue.

And if you are limiting the personal liberties of NAMBLA then you are saying there is a boundary that cannot be crossed. So then why have issues when some people draw the boundaries closer?

If it is a matter of personal liberty, then why do you have more of a right to draw the lines than someone else?