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WWJFKD
reply to post by Aazadan
I would like to believe that there is some higher learning being done here, but I just don't buy it. Telling my nephew that "The government gives you your rights" was not followed by some discussion about how false that statement is. The misinterpretation on the 2nd amendment was not later explained as incorrect and I do not believe that this is some ruse to get 6th graders to understand the value of the Bill of Rights. I smell indoctrination and I would sooner err on the side of caution then wait for something profound to come out of this education system. I judge a tree by its fruit, and this trees fruit stinks to high heaven.
WWJFKD
reply to post by Aazadan
And I can certainly appreciate good debate among adults, but I agree - 6th graders? How impressionable is a mind at this stage of its development?
IkNOwSTuff
Its a thought exercise for children for cripes sake!!!!!!!
pstrron
The government might be at an impasse on how to go about reducing the Bill of Rights, thus it behooves them to ask those who would see no problem in such an exercise and possibly gain an answer to their dilemma. It reminds me of the phrase "out of the mouth of babes".
Daedalus
pstrron
The government might be at an impasse on how to go about reducing the Bill of Rights, thus it behooves them to ask those who would see no problem in such an exercise and possibly gain an answer to their dilemma. It reminds me of the phrase "out of the mouth of babes".
why is there an impasse? why is there a need to reduce the bill of rights?
why would anyone believe we need LESS rights, and LESS protections?
Aazadan
Daedalus
pstrron
The government might be at an impasse on how to go about reducing the Bill of Rights, thus it behooves them to ask those who would see no problem in such an exercise and possibly gain an answer to their dilemma. It reminds me of the phrase "out of the mouth of babes".
why is there an impasse? why is there a need to reduce the bill of rights?
why would anyone believe we need LESS rights, and LESS protections?
Some people do. The left routinely goes after gun rights, the right routinely goes after due process. Both are going after search and seizure (especially of electronic communications). The people that actually believe in all 10 of those protections, much less think we need even more are few and far between.
A lot of people simply disagree with blanket protections and would rather defer those protections to authorities who obviously never mess up and have only our best interests at heart because rights inevitably also mean protecting criminals.
Aazadan
I'm completely serious. Rights mean, what minimum protections are we willing to give to the worst of our society? No one needs rights when the person or subject is popular. They're needed when the person is unpopular for whatever reason. Many people don't like supporting the unpopular. I'm not one of those, but that's how many think and why they're ok with weakening the constitution.edit on 10-10-2013 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)
Daedalus
Aazadan
I'm completely serious. Rights mean, what minimum protections are we willing to give to the worst of our society? No one needs rights when the person or subject is popular. They're needed when the person is unpopular for whatever reason. Many people don't like supporting the unpopular. I'm not one of those, but that's how many think and why they're ok with weakening the constitution.edit on 10-10-2013 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)
and this is why i had a bit of confusion....what, exactly, is your position?
are you for, or against modification of the bill of rights?
Aazadan
I'm for modification, but only to add rights not to remove them. Most notably, I think we need an amendment that has to do with passive data collection on people. It's something that has only really become possible due to technology and has some really scary applications when enough data is collected.edit on 11-10-2013 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)