reply to post by Tryptych
You know, as much as I've enjoyed your posts (and you're on my friends list too), I'm still pretty skeptical about anybody who claims to be
enlightened. I'm still thinking that it's a process, no final "enlightenment" can be achieved during this lifetime.. so there's certainly
something about "become enlightened in 15 days" that ticks me off.
"Enlightenment" isn't this crazy impossible goal that is unachievable by anybody. People's minds have created illusions and projections around
this word. It is actually quite simple:
Awareness is mixed with ego/mind, so awareness is separated and stabilized, then it eventually merges with Oneness & Being. How simple is that? Its
the same across the board in all the traditions, but they each call very aspect by different names because of the language barrier.
It then does continue for the rest of your life, just like you continue shedding cells, being hungry, and growing for the rest of your life. Just like
when you become an adult, adulthood continues for the rest of your life.
Some people spend a LIFETIME learning Yoga from the masters, and still don't claim to be enlightened. It's a highly subjective.
Yoga does not always lead to Enlightenment. Its become a pop trend in the west, in hollywood, with soccer moms. The true yoga includes deep and long
meditations on the nature of mind, pranayama, asceticism, and a number of other factors.
Personally, I do not and would not recommend Yoga as the quickest path. I say "Quickest" because most of us here are Western Minds and when we want
something, we want it now. It was always the case for me. So I've found through research and meeting/speaking with others and a large number of
retreats and forums that the "quickest" way is Mahasi noting, or if you are ripe for it, Advaita, which consists of hearing zen koans that are
supposed to directly bring you to Enlightenmwnt.
That's what happened to me. I heard an Adviata Koan. Wrestled with it for 15 minutes, then BOOM shifted directly into the Nondual No-I primordial
stateless state. Though it was only for a minute or so, I now knew without a doubt that Enlightenment is real and is quite simple.
However, Awareness/witness/observer, has to first be stabilized as the platform from which you merge into Enlightenment.
Also Subjectivity is transcended in Enlightenment
I have studied (and practiced) Kriya Yoga, meditation, Taoism, theosophy, christian mysticism, rosicrucianism, tantra, shamanism.. and I think that
there's a golden path in all these traditions which leads to the same place, an experience that NO written teaching can explain. In that place,
EVERYTHING you think you know about the mind & soul just goes flying out of the _
Perhaps look into Adviata, Dzogchen, and Bon. Many of the Enlightenment traditions are an exact science. They say the mind & soul are of certain
characteristics, which then you can go within and see for yourself if it is so. There is a vetting and testing within many of the paths. For example,
inner experiences, channels, nature of ego/mind that I have come across, I've then done research on and found that there are 2000-4000 year old
traditions that have always known and taught this.
I too once studied tons of paths but had yet to experience my first glimpse of No-me primordial Beingness.
Certain states and goals can be reached, yes, but I don't simply believe in "enlightenment" as some sort of achievable state. Not in this lifetime.
We can gravitate towards it, but never achieve it. Zero point.
Let's see. I can go with your opinion above. Or I can go with the opinion of traditions thousands of years old, which are still alive today, with a
rich track record of Enlightened humans, which all say Enlightenment is simple, its already there, just needs to be uncovered, and can easily be
within a few years, or months.
I think I'll go with the latter, because I have directly experienced it is simple, have met a handful of others who are in it permanently, and have
met a ton of people who say Mahasi Noting has gotten them there the quickest after trying everything else which failed to produce fruit.
Have you tried the MEthod for 15-30 days? If not, then you'll continue in your current state where it seems you've already made up your mind about
Give it a go and come back with a field report.