Obamacare Facebook Erupts with Citizen Sticker Shock

reply to post by Serdgiam


Big fat government rat here, no doubt.

reply to post by mrnotobc


Nice try

Just because I save money doesnt mean I approve of Obamacare as far as its national impact.

This is a special moment though, at least I think. First time someone has alluded to me being a shill. Thanks!

reply to post by MystikMushroom


"A universal health care system like Canada wouldn't fly in America -- it's not affordable to do so. We can't extend coverage to everyone when a band-aid is $3.00.

Until we somehow stop these drug companies and medical device manufacturers from price gouging the US public, we will forever be stuck between a rock and a hard place. "

That is what I am trying to get at, I have spent many days in the hospital for a non treatable heat condition and our bills were zero/ nil/ zip.

I am talking invasive surgery and the whole lot......I do live in Canada and therefore pay sky high taxes for the privilege of not fearing the doctor nor the hospital.

I believe you are quite correct that if the R&D excuse is toasted the costs would come down dramatically for sure and all would be good.


Looking in from the outside at your health care system, correct me wherever as I am not American.

Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Iwinder


It is purely a for-profit industry, and this mandates that *every* citizen is part of it.

The FDA is a big component, and essentially a corporation. The industry thrives on people being sick, since healthy people do not receive constant treatment. So, much like you say, it is simply more profitable for people to be in a constant state of sickness.

Its at the expense of a productive nation, but I guess thats not really a concern anymore. When it becomes a concern, it will probably be because of a complete reworking of our national "approach" (economic, health care, education, etc).

As it stands, it seems to be the first step towards a bad situation. For my case, it saves money, but on the national scale? I guess only time will tell the detriment it causes.

Serdgiam
reply to post by mrnotobc

 

Nice try

Just because I save money doesnt mean I approve of Obamacare as far as its national impact.

This is a special moment though, at least I think. First time someone has alluded to me being a shill. Thanks!

I believe you. It's a statistical certainty that someone will pay less than they did before and it looks like you're it. Congrats!

If I were you I'd go out and buy a lotto ticket now, you're on a roll.

Putting flouride in your drinking water doesn't necessarily mean they care about your teeth either.

Making call to my broker placing major investment in waiting room furniture. This thing has only just begun.

Bassago

I believe you. It's a statistical certainty that someone will pay less than they did before and it looks like you're it. Congrats!

If I were you I'd go out and buy a lotto ticket now, you're on a roll.

You are right, if only I could actually drive (I miss the old face..)

Considering the same people (essentially) denied me access to anything like disability, it seems quite fortuitous.. They said their government doctor "didnt agree" with the findings of all of the other doctors and said I was "perfectly healthy."

Me: 1
Government: 2,303,509,504,395,594,001

Im catching up in the win/loss ratio!

reply to post by Iwinder



Canada is looking better and better.

The thing that burns my toast is we [family of 3] pay outrageous amount for our insurance.

Between the monthly premium , deductible, and the copays on everything, we can't afford even a doc visit right now until we pay our copays on everything else.

The real sticker shock for people on any bronze plan will be when they have a major medical issue and have to cough up 40% of the costs.

I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes to have what you do in Canada. I don't like 30,000. worth of copay bills looming over us.

reply to post by Serdgiam


Thank you for that post, makes me think about our situation here in Canada, any hospitals doing something that may seem cost wise expensive come under the hammer of the Government.

This is good and bad also, It for sure eliminates the $10.00 aspirin but at the same time it could reduce health care for the masses but so far in my life I have never witnessed first hand any downside to our system.

Broken three bones, one elbow, one finger, and one baby toe.
Hernia operation, Cancer removal from my back, Heart crap done and not a penny owed.

Regards, Iwinder

palmalBlue2
reply to post by Iwinder

 

Canada is looking better and better.

The thing that burns my toast is we [family of 3] pay outrageous amount for our insurance.

Between the monthly premium , deductible, and the copays on everything, we can't afford even a doc visit right now until we pay our copays on everything else.

The real sticker shock for people on any bronze plan will be when they have a major medical issue and have to cough up 40% of the costs.

I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes to have what you do in Canada. I don't like 30,000. worth of copay bills looming over us.

I appreciate your post and your understanding of my lack of knowledge of your health care bill.
Two questions if I may, what is copay?
Is the $30,000 dollar figure accurate?.....If so god help you all.

Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Iwinder


Like another poster said.. Canada is looking better and better..

I am in extreme debt solely because of an undiagnosed bone metabolism disorder. Constant tests, doctors visits, etc.

Sometimes I think its left undiagnosed purely for profit. I have no doubt that my medical costs could have bought several very, very nice vehicles for someone.

And now, instead of enacting actual national healthcare, they implement a system that ensures consistent and constant profits, regardless of health status. In my eyes, it basically punishes the healthy when we should be looking at ways to improve the health of our entire nation.

Like I said though, when that happens, I really think it will be because of a total re-working of how the US approaches national matters. As it is, it seems to be entirely in the hands of profiteers, and it is visibly weakening our nation alongside everything from the NDAA to Agenda 21.

I think whether or not the nation "breaks" will be either because the people start using the tools at our disposal in a different way, or if the "profiteers" realize they have so much more to gain by approaching "profit" in a more abstract manner than just numbers in a bank account. Its why I made the threads in my signature, but at this point, I am not so sure too many people really want to do much of anything (except complain on the internet).

reply to post by Iwinder


I guess the best way to explain copays is if your government decided that on top of your taxes, evreyone had to pay another fee when you go to the doctor at the time of service.

We have to pay just to walk in the door. Lab work, xrays, MRI, ambulance service all has a copay. If I am in the hospital, I have to pay 40% of the hospital charges. .
Hope that helps.

Forgot to add, yes, for us the 30,000. is accurate due to 2 hospital stays and doc appointments.

links234
I'm still not seeing the downside.

A bunch of republicans make up stories and post on facebook. I'm glad this is newsworthy.

I'm not republican, and I can tell you that this health care law has already created a lot of problems for me financially. I don't think anyone is making this up.

DocHolidaze
reply to post by xuenchen

 

does anybody know what is goiing to happen to natives? Will rhey still get free medical/ and dental? Im not talking about reservation natives, im talking about tribeless native with proof of native blood

They will continue to get health care through the tribe, but they will also suffer cut backs because they are federally funded programs. Due to the sequester, many programs were already cut. You can find all of this online in Indian country news articles.

palmalBlue2
reply to post by Iwinder

 

I guess the best way to explain copays is if your government decided that on top of your taxes, evreyone had to pay another fee when you go to the doctor at the time of service.

We have to pay just to walk in the door. Lab work, xrays, MRI, ambulance service all has a copay. If I am in the hospital, I have to pay 40% of the hospital charges. .
Hope that helps.

Forgot to add, yes, for us the 30,000. is accurate due to 2 hospital stays and doc appointments.

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Thank you for explaining that, all I can say is that myself and the wife feel for you and your situation.
The wife also has some issues and two weeks from Monday she goes for a cat scan but we wont see a bill.
But our taxes are very heavy.......

My god a $30,000 bill would wipe us out and I am not joking.

Once more thanks for explaining it to us in simple terms.
Wish you the best.
Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Iwinder


Copay is what you pay when you see a doctor. Example: Make an appointment to see the doctor, copay is $30. You pay $30 before seeing the doctor. You then see the doctor.

Deductible is the amount you pay out of pocket over a one year period. Example: You have a $5,000 annual deductible, meaning you can have up to $5,000 in medical expenses before your insurance covers the entire cost.

It gets deeper and more complicated than that. The short of it is, the system has been broken for years. It's not just the insurance companies fault though. Hospitals and pharmacies are free to charge whatever amount they want. It's hard to negotiate prices when you're bleeding internally though.

reply to post by xuenchen


I truly believe OhMamaCare was designed to collapse this country's financial system. When people's bank accounts and tax returns start taking hits, folks are gonna start taking their money out of the banks.

It makes me sick to hear him say its gonna save the poorest of Americans around $1465 a year in medical expenses. Newsflash Omama, the poorest of Americans don't SPEND $1465 a year in medical expenses.

Oh and another thing I'd like to point out is that Omama is the one who decided what was going to be cut if the government shut down. Have you noticed that everything he chose was for the cameras... poor little kids with cancer, national parks, even a historical farm in VA that doesn't even receive federal funding. He's very good at using the media, a modern day pied piper I tell ya.

reply to post by palmalBlue2


The difference though is that the government isn't collecting the copay, the doctor's office is.

reply to post by Tatanka

The Natives here in Canada were severely abused and used to no end, The natives enjoy free health care here but it will never make up for the injustice done to them.

My life long buddy is native and believe me you they have suffered more than most people can imagine.

Now to cut off their health care due to government mismanagement in the States is just wrong.
Stop the perpetual wars and heal the people I say.

This is probably off topic and I expect it to be removed but I had to get that one off my chest.

Regards, iwinder

SouthernRain55
reply to post by xuenchen

 

The "idea" of it all was great....the actual "plan" isn't that's for sure!
What people thought they were getting isn't even close to what they will be getting.

Only the unintelligent people who do not pay attention to Washington D.C. and their antics did not know this bill was wrote buy the insurance companies to begin with. Let them all eat their cake and enjoy the taste of Socialism and Fascism. Watch this blow up in Obama s face and then he will show his true colors to the whole of America. Kind of like he is doing now by trying to close every Federal thing in site to piss off every American he can, little does he know is that people will blame the boss for letting it happen.