People Who Need Help Shouldn't Be Able To Enjoy Themselves

DestroyDestroyDestroy
reply to post by TheJourney

 

Enjoy yourself on your own dime. Is this really too much to ask? What, people who actually work should pay so that people who don't work can enjoy themselves? Is it too much to ask for people to give something back to society?

What about people who can't work due to illness/old age etc? a civilized society should look after people who can't work or those willing to work but just can not find a job.
I don't mind paying taxes so these people can get by and If a little of that money is spent to make their day pass better I do not mind.
Anyone of us can be in their position tomorrow due to unforeseen circumstances.

This "Iam alright jack screw you" attitude is what is wrong with the world.

Enjoy?

Everyone should be able to enjoy things in their life no matter their financial situation. Internet? Vital for current events, buying/selling items or food its actually useful (theres more than porn you know).

The big problem people have is thing like drink and drugs that people who "cant afford a car" but can afford to eat sleep have a TV laptop xbox etc AND drink and smoke and do drugs. These people do not manage their money and get hand outs which are then NOT used like they are meant to

Issue is that giving money to people who are bad with money is folly - this is why we have food stamps in the first place. (Striking resemblance to Russian food lines isn it.... =/ )

If you take a hand out you should NOT be spending on LUXURYS and you do not need LUXURYS to enjoy your life.

I've stopped replying to threads where peoples financial problems get torn apart by posters I've come to believe are monsters. You can't convince them of anything because the psychopath in them simply will not allow them to understand.

I just console myself with the thought that they are so insignificant to my life that they may as well not even exist to me - and bloody good riddance I say.

This is a very sore issue with me. After working my whole life [as a professional], I got struck by M.E. The dreaded illness that nobody believes in [also known as CFS-chronic fatigue syndrome].
I am suffering every day. If you have $50 of energy to spend, I'll get $5.

I am not even on disability [even though I should be] but on something that depends on what I have paid into the system [so if I only worked for 1 year I'd get less]. Fortunately I have worked for 20 years in the UK and what I am getting is just about enough to live on.

But it isn't completely enough. There have been very hard times.
Yet I am driving a car. [Needed really, as I can't walk for very long]
I do go out and drink Beer [rarely but I do in order not to go mad or so depressed, I'd want to kill myself].
I have a computer. [One of my only links to people that I can't see often enough because travelling is such a chore for me, talk to people who are also in the same situation as me. Ask important questions when they come up. And no, I wouldn't be able to do all this in the library because I have to plan everything I do well in advance].
If you see me on the rare occasion that I make it to a public house, holding a beer you'd come and shout at me for being done up, have nice hair and stand there drinking. Because I do not look ill or in need at all and you'd think I am a dirty scrounger, how dare I have some fun.

What you don't know about me however is, how long it took me to plan for this day out.
That I had to wash my hair a day before as otherwise I won't be able to mange to go anywhere if I'd do it on the same day.
That I had to sleep during the afternoon, so I could make it at all.
That I had to drink caffeine and coke plus take at least 3 energy tablets to make it out of the house.
That I won't be able to stay as long as others.
That the next 3 days will be spent in bed and in pain and agony as a payment for my 'naughty' night out.

It is the old truth that what you see is not always what is going on.
There are people with mental issues that could never be reasonably employed but there will always be people who want them to 'suffer' really badly because they are getting help.

I am so angry about this. Do your brains not function any further than what the MSM tells you?
There are thousands of people who had jobs that they lost, there are thousands that have an illness they never wanted and then there are a few lazy bastards whose lives will never amount to anything and all you 'god-like' benefactors who give a few cents of their wage package want all people in need to have a miserable time all of the time?

Really? You'd speak differently when you'll lose your job I can assure you this.
Also I recommend the sick and needy to have some fun as otherwise their lives would be so #ty that only taking it would give them any comfort.

Last but not least, even when I worked, I couldn't hate the scroungers because I had a job and a career, I lived where I wanted, I bought what I wanted and was independent. I do not envy their lives in sink estates, surrounded by crime. SO what if they buy a pair of trainers, I still wouldn't want to live their lives. Soem people seem almost jealous that they have to work, whilst others live the 'highlife' on their dirty estates from which they will never ever escape. Just be glad your country is civilized enough to have a safety net for the majority of people who are in need!

If people really did care about their tax money being wasted they would be complaining about tax payer funded corporate welfare to corporations who are making record profits and not about someone on government assistance spending money on having the internet.
I guess It`s much easier vent frustration by kicking the little guy when is down and out than it is to take on big corporations.
all the government assistance to the little guys, combined, probably doesn`t even come close to the amount of corporate welfare that even one industry like the oil industry gets from the tax payers.

So many of the people who are on welfare (pogey, if you're a hoser), are there after a life of working. I have applied for EI twice and been refused twice. The first time, I was working graveyard shifts at a warehouse while going to college, when my school gave me an ultimatum of "drop the job if you want to come back for another term". (EI said I didn't qualify because I didn't get their go-ahead to attend this school... which I had been going to for two years at this point) The second time, I was let go from a communications company of note who was having record profits. That time I didn't qualify because my severance ( which would not show up for 6 more weeks) pushed me above their magical number.

In both cases, staying positive was key. Staying above water enough to breathe, while fighting sharks beneath.

Do people think the unemployed, underemployed, disabled, etc have it easy because they're getting help? It's brutal out there. Folks angry about the little luxuries that people can scrape together need to spend some time in hardship. See how long it takes for them to crave something other than a monthly, weekly, hourly crawl through the muck of life.

Now... who has actually been in the situation and still has the opinion that people on welfare deserve no joy?

reply to post by TheJourney


I get that same sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I read such comments. I don't think there's one common reason for that attitude, but rather people trying to make some sense out of a situation that makes little sense to them... in large part because of a lack of information and misinformation available to them. For example, to listen to some people, everyone receiving foodstamps is just lazy and must be judged (and excoriated) accordingly. For some people, they know they went thru rough times with no aide, and feel others should also. Even uglier are those who confuse their financial worth with their personal worth, who feel superior and totally justified in putting down those less fortunate because it makes them feel better about themselves. But these are just a few examples I've noted.

Whatever the reason tho, it is encouraged in this present social climate to blame our fellow Americans first for every possible calamity... divide and conquer.

TPTB are doing an outstanding job at demonizing the poor and disabled as moochers that want a free meal and be lazy and watch judge judy all day.

You'll see it over and over and over, especially on a site like this where internet anonymity makes people ruthless.

I'm disabled, and on food stamps also. All the people raging against SNAP and such need to realize that all it takes is a diagnosis of cancer or some other disabling injury and they will see the other side of the coin so to speak. They will then be thankful that there is such a program so at least they don't starve.

Americans have no idea what really being hungry is like.

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


Many, but not most.

The system itself is set up for abuse anyway. Instead of fixing the economical and social underpinnings that creates more poverty and crime, they just give out cash and food that lasts for the month.

The system is already ineffective within itself.

Cancerwarrior
TPTB are doing an outstanding job at demonizing the poor and disabled as moochers that want a free meal and be lazy and watch judge judy all day.

You'll see it over and over and over, especially on a site like this where internet anonymity makes people ruthless.

I'm disabled, and on food stamps also. All the people raging against SNAP and such need to realize that all it takes is a diagnosis of cancer or some other disabling injury and they will see the other side of the coin so to speak. They will then be thankful that there is such a program so at least they don't starve.

Americans have no idea what really being hungry is like.

I'm also disabled as of 2010, but i buy my gorceries with the little ssi and ssdi i get. I'm thinking of applying for good stamps to take some pressure off of the household.

reply to post by Tardacus


Lets not forget about million dollar bonuses on top of their already bloated million dollar salary.

When I help someone out who actually needs it, I don't feel it's harmed me at all. Usually, I enjoy the opportunity to bring some good to an otherwise grey world. Considering the other things our tax dollars pay for, I don't' mind ONE BIT paying a little to feed someone else. I believe anyone with a problem paying taxes to feed others has got a limited world view. You've got to wonder why they don't have a problem paying taxes to kill people in other countries (or even our own).

I haven't read the entire thread yet, but this being a rant I will throw my 2 cents into the ring anyway.

My husband and I struggle to make it from payday to payday at times. We have never been able to go out and just blow money left and right in the 17 years we have been married. My husband's job is seasonal and we have had weeks where we can't eat exactly what we want, we can't go see the new movie opening up or even get small little "extras" we all need from time to time. There have been many times where I have had to call the power company and ask for a 48 hour extension on my bill. We have lived without cable, without a land line, without internet, and without cellphones. While none of those things are a necessity, they are things that make life a little more enjoyable on occasion.

Through all of these times, we have paid our taxes. Through all of these times we have witnessed folks in the grocery store eating much better than we were eating on what we helped pay in. THAT is where I/we had/have an issue. You work your fingers to the bone and at the end of the week you get Ramen noodles while the food stamp folks get steak. You get off brand mac & cheeses while they have the velveeta. It is petty but in the moment it pisses you off. I freely admit it.

They get to go to the movies that weekend because they didn't have to spend their money on food. They spent my money on their food. They have Iphones because they don't have to worry about how their children will eat. I will feed mine and their's as well. That is how I feel about it a lot of the time. I hate it if that ticks some folks off, but I know I am not the only one who feels this way. What would happen if those of us who struggle by on our own, just quit struggling and went on food stamps like so many other people??? Sometimes that is what you feel like doing, even when you know it isn't the right thing to do.

Just my opinion on it. I won't waste time saying "not all people on food stamps are abusing the system" since there will be a few accusing me of saying just that anyway.

I only wanted to share why I sometimes feel the way you hated people feeling. There are 2 sides to everything I suppose.

Having been on cash aid and foodstamps in the past, I still to this day can't figure out how people can afford to go to the movies let alone get an iphone. I am going to guess family members. cash aid for 4 people doesn't give you enough to pay rent barely enough to cover utilities, house hold items and gas. More than $20 a month for clothing? forget about it. There is no money left over for extras and and after bills and other necessities you are left with a week or two per month with NOTHING.

So someone please tell me how they do it.

Now my husband tells me that back east they have apartments that the utilities are included in the rent or that they have help for utilities. From what he says, they have more help in general. I never saw that in California.

I agree with you.
and the other fools will when they have to suffer it to.

reply to post by calstorm


They do have that here in Virginia. There is Section 8 housing where they pay some or all of your rent. They also have programs that will help pay or pay all of your utilities with extra help in the winter for heating oil/gas. These are separate programs from food assistance/stamps. I have never lived in another state so I am not sure how these measure up to other state programs, but I do know folks here that work and get housing, food, and utility assistance that leaves them paying about $100 a month out of their own pocket for all 3 per month.

I don't begrudge anyone that needs the help and I am glad it's there for those who do need it but I do see major abuse all around here. I am not sure how they get by with it, but there will always be folks who can and do "game" the system.

reply to post by bigman88


I would apply for them if I were you. Its a big help that is absolutely essential for me. My little SSI check is pitiful. Thank God my house and truck are payed off.

It won't be much but every little bit helps.

Cancerwarrior
TPTB are doing an outstanding job at demonizing the poor and disabled as moochers that want a free meal and be lazy and watch judge judy all day.

You'll see it over and over and over, especially on a site like this where internet anonymity makes people ruthless.

That's an outrageous suggestion and even though fraud in this arena may be the biggest obstacle currently facing society if it were true people wouldn't run with it.

"Artemis of the wildland" (Way to go Themis, sorry, Artemis.)

Ok, but only certain families are being hunted or hounded though. You know, the bad guys and that's fair enough, these are time of financial concern

Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd. ~ Bertrand Russell

for many.

Everyone has observed how much more dogs are animated when they hunt in a pack, than when they pursue their game apart. We might, perhaps, be at a loss to explain this phenomenon, if we had not experience of a similar in ourselves.

David Hume ~ A Treatise of Human Nature

Bugger.

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy

Libraries have free computers and internet.
Should people on food stamps be banned from libraries and other public places too?

Kangaruex4Ewe
Through all of these times we have witnessed folks in the grocery store eating much better than we were eating on what we helped pay in. THAT is where I/we had/have an issue. You work your fingers to the bone and at the end of the week you get Ramen noodles while the food stamp folks get steak. You get off brand mac & cheeses while they have the velveeta. It is petty but in the moment it pisses you off. I freely admit it.

They get to go to the movies that weekend because they didn't have to spend their money on food. They spent my money on their food. They have Iphones because they don't have to worry about how their children will eat. I will feed mine and their's as well. That is how I feel about it a lot of the time. I hate it if that ticks some folks off, but I know I am not the only one who feels this way. What would happen if those of us who struggle by on our own, just quit struggling and went on food stamps like so many other people??? Sometimes that is what you feel like doing, even when you know it isn't the right thing to do.

This hits the nail on the head! I feel the same way.
The people on assistance in many cases are living better then the ones paying into the system that get no help.
Sec. 8, food stamps, electric assistance, heating assistance, they even get free child care here in St. Louis (and they dont even need it as they dont work), I barely get by and qualify for nothing.