Vladimir Putin Addresses America In NYT

We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together.

reply to post by earthling42


Strange and rather ironic comment by Putin given remarks about the UK.

MRuss
America is exceptional. We have been for a long time.

Maybe. But the flaw in your thinking is the "we" that you use.

fact is - there is no useful, meaningful "we" in the US.

"We" did not attack Iraq, Afghanistan, or Syria.

Some dudes in DC and London did that.

"We" didn't invent anything.

"We" is a political fiction.

what do you and the other half million folks in your home town have in common besides a few external, demographic details? Do you decide things in common? Do you meet to discuss policy or the future of your town?

Nope.

We are residents, not citizens in any meaningful way.

It is only those with BIG money who are part of the "we" that is the US in it's policy functions.

See: George Carlin:

Ol' rootin-tootin Injun-shootin Putin is but a player in the existing corrupt-by-definition political world; probably no one from this master-slave system would measure up in a truly civilized enough world. All hail the world's homophobe supreme!

VoidHawk
What if, they're all in this together (Obama and Putin) and the world is being played!

What if, Russia and America were threatening each other! Would we all start crapping ourselves and beg our leaders to protect us?

I think its all a game.

I'm suspicious.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
I live in a Spanish speaking country and when I read "this" post I thought I lost my ability to read and comprehend English. The Nobel Peace Prize holding president, was prepared to bypass the UN, ignore US public opinion, and go it alone and risk a nuclear confrontation. This is high stakes poker where all of us could end up holding a losing hand. This is psychopathy, not an exercise in democracy. This president is a man who condones the use of DU weapons , drones to take out children and women, white phosphorous and doesn't have time to analyze the evidence as to who used what chemical weapons. It is ok for America to finance and support rebels who target christians, women and children and commit horrible attrocities. When this plan "A" fails, you launch a unilateral and unpopular invasion of the country, and in the process violate international law and legal conventions and treaties designed to prevent unwarrented agression. It is a travesty for Syrians to kill 500 to 1,300 Syrians based on unsubstantiated heresay evidence but for Americans to invade Syria and kill thousands if not hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians is considered taking the moral high ground. In Orwellian vernacular, this is referred to as humanitarian warfare.
Obama knows that if he randomly attacks Syrian targets, some of which could contain stockpiles of chemical weapons, the consequences of the resulting holocaust will rest on his nobel peace prize shoulders.
Putin has conveniently intervened and found a way to get the chemical weapons out of Syria so that when the false flag and subsequent globalist invasion really does occur there will be no chemical weapons collateral damage to haunt him.
In this way Putin looks like the good guy and he helps to portray the US and Israel as the bullies of the world in the eyes of most other nations.
With the US, for many years, outspending the rest of the world combined on military hardware, China and Russia lack the military assets to take on the west. Both really need to beef up their blue water navies. This will take a few years. Likely, but not certainly China and Russia might stand down despite treaties with Syria.
The US compensates for it's collapsing economy by using it's military to engage resource rich countries and claim their wealth, while at the same time surrounding it's perceived enemies with military bases. It also issues the petro dollar reserve currency. This perpetuates the illusion that the American Emperor still has clothes. The illusion is fading as other countries such as the BRICS nations avoid the US dollar for trade and try to come up with an internationally accepted asset backed non fiat currency.
Americans haven't figured out what the rest of the world already knows that America is an empire in rapid decline. The US has been stiffed by their politicans and the globalists. The globalists have used Trade Agreements to offshore and outsource American jobs. The US gov't falsifies reports on employment and job creation to give the illusion that the US economy is in recovery. US government stats considers McDonalds to be a manufacturer like Caterpillar of Boeing. Inflation, initially supports this illusion of a growning economy. At the same time the Obama Administration borrows up the wazoo so that they can lavish "free #" on a dumbed down and gullible public. Americans, unfortunately, are the only people on the planet that believe their own governments' propaganda.
Americans see the world in black and white. Amerika good Russia bad; or at least that is what the talking heads promote and, of course, they would never lie.
So in Amerika, we want to believe that Obama rides the white horse and Putin the black one. We are here to impose the US version of morality, democracy freedom and justice on a world that we are told is jealous of our standard of living and value system. Media lies largely by omission, but it continues to be it our source of world information, and, to challenge the integrity of Gov't and MSM would upset the paradigm that we accept as reality.
Globalists know, that at some point a dumbed down public will realize that they have been raped and pillaged by a global banking elite. Americans will become enraged that they have been manipulated, stiffed and hung out to dry. Globalists know that the next big rabbit that they need to pull out of a hat has to be a big war to distract the public. This needs to be done before enough dumbed down voters figure out that they have been had. Things are going to become very very interesting as cunning globalists outwit an unsuspecting public devoid of critical thinking skills. From here on in the ride with your democratically oriented peace prize president will get very exciting.

NewAgeMan
I think it's wonderful the way it's working out, if only the US would STOP playing both sides against the middle in Syria, which has DIRE long range consequences for American Security and Interests in Global Security - and instead, work out and uphold within the context of international law and order (Putin's point) a political solution and an end to the war, but I guess that's up to Assad who Obama subtly implied in his speech with a linkage that I caught could be taken out ie: killed, if there's retaliatory action by him as the military commander of Syrian forces.

It's foolishness though for Putin to tell Obama to put the gun away at this point, so the game continues...

And lo and behold what are we hearing now but a parallel negotiation to end the war where the ironic hypocrisy is that the US, via the CIA has been arming the rebels which includes terrorist and al Qaeda forces, so it becomes rather difficult for Obama when he must talk about the magnitude of the tragedy that is the Syrian civil war..

MRuss
America is exceptional. We have been for a long time.

Putin forgot to thank us for his Ipod, his car, his laptop, his refrigerator, his jeans, his central air, his telephone, his wireless internet....and on and on and on.

Um. Shouldn't he be thanking China for all of that?

But I'm proud of what this country has accomplished.

Corporate slavery so that millions of people could fling birds at pigs with an elastic band?

Putin:

We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

He then jailed all the gay people in the country who showed any evidence of being so.

Obama has apologized us into submission all over the world , now he has bent us over for Putin to enjoy..........we have become quit a country.

I'm real proud..................yaaaaaa man.

I think that one of the important things that Putin did with his NY Times article, beyond simply making the statement to the American people, which is a considerable innovation in itself in international diplomacy, both Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi might have made very strong cases for themselves in the press had they chosen to do so, is, in the article, to take America's own rhetoric and turn it against the foreign policy that America has pursued very aggressively since the time of George H. W. Bush.

That President's comment in his New World Order remarks about establishing the rule of law "not the law of the jungle" is central to Putin's message to Americans.

The American oligarchy, judging from their published books and studies such as the Project for the New American Century, are bent on a program of world domination. I think the Russians, quite rightly assume that a project like that, if carried out to conclusion, would involve the installation of Russian puppets in control of a militarily dominated, if not defeated, Russia. I don't think the Russians want to live in that world.

If the world adhered to the rhetorical prescriptions of American policy proclaimed by a succession of Presidents, they would not have to do so.

Putin, in my view, is saying, between the lines, "Stop blowing smoke at us. We're not stupid."

I think the Russians want to live and let live, insofar as it is possible to do so in our world.

Can the American oligarchy live with that? If not, why not? I think the Russians would like to move the rhetorical game to a more realistic level. It is in their interests to do so. I think it is in everyone's interests to do so.

Putin's insight and that of the Russian foreign ministry is that the average American very likely sees things much as they do in Russia. They acknowledge differences but believe in a live and let live basis for international relations.

I think Putin, along with many people here on ATS, would like to see a more realistic discussion of "corporatism" replace the "freedom and democracy" shadow play in the courts of American opinion and world opinion.

MarsSentinel

MRuss
America is exceptional. We have been for a long time.

Maybe. But the flaw in your thinking is the "we" that you use.

fact is - there is no useful, meaningful "we" in the US.

"We" did not attack Iraq, Afghanistan, or Syria.

Some dudes in DC and London did that.

"We" didn't invent anything.

"We" is a political fiction.

what do you and the other half million folks in your home town have in common besides a few external, demographic details? Do you decide things in common? Do you meet to discuss policy or the future of your town?

Nope.

We are residents, not citizens in any meaningful way.

It is only those with BIG money who are part of the "we" that is the US in it's policy functions.

See: George Carlin:

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VoidHawk
What if, they're all in this together and the world is being played! I think its all a game.

Sadly, most are falling for it too...

All this bull we see in the media is there to distract people from what is really going on.

They are already in full control of this world and have been for a long time...

"One should never forget that the Rothschilds NEVER lost ownership of both Russia and China, even today." Source

YouTube

Recipe for New World Government-Good guy-Bad guys-minions to do the stirring-while we just keep on smelling the mixture brewing.

History does tell a story -heed warning it’s about to over-flow.

I just want to wake-up from this Matrix World where is Neo?

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Not sure I agree, however, there is something about Putin that is a lot wiser or more mature, and I believe cosmic.


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Though this video could show we're being played, I can still see the maturity of Putin, in a sense reaching out to Obama, to assist, much like a teacher does with kids.