Online pornography to be blocked by default, PM to announce

So. Here's what I'm seeing so far....

1. British government is preparing to build a database of all British citizens who are "sex addicts"

2. The only way to avoid being placed on this list is to refrain from asking for permission from the government to access adult content. It is therefore highly likely that every solitary individual who enjoys porn even on a very infrequent basis will be in this insidious database.

3. Seeing as to how England has "free" healthcare which has deeply infiltrated every corner of the private lives of every citizen, it will invariably come up at some point that these "sex addicts" are in desperate need of "treatment" (you see. If you call it "treatment" instead of "brainwashing" it sounds so much more humane and acceptable). And since an "addict" never knows what's good for him, it will obviously be necessary to make this "treatment" compulsory. How else are they supposed to "cure" them?

4. Obviously, they will know exactly where to find all of their "patients" when the time comes.

Originally posted by BrianFlanders
Seeing as to how England has "free" healthcare which has deeply infiltrated every corner of the private lives of every citizen, it will invariably come up at some point that these "sex addicts" are in desperate need of "treatment" (you see. If you call it "treatment" instead of "brainwashing" it sounds so much more humane and acceptable). And since an "addict" never knows what's good for him, it will obviously be necessary to make this "treatment" compulsory. How else are they supposed to "cure" them?

What do you mean "deeply infiltrated"? The NHS is supported across the country, and it's one of the best things about the UK too. We pay a small amount of tax to be guaranteed treatment anywhere in the country for anything from a bump on the head to cardiac care.

The NHS is not profit making. So where is the reason for "forcing" people to have "treatment"?

I think you're more than a little clueless about the NHS, and I think this comes from a biased view in an effort to attack Obamacare.

There could not be any possible reason for the government to want to have millions of people having treatment for something in the NHS. The fact that you seem to think this tells me that you know nothing about the NHS to begin with.

It seems some people are getting a bit overworked about this issue which does not ban anything. It simply sets the porn filter on by default which means you have to want to access it and be of legal age to do so.

If there is a serious issue with porn in the UK then perhaps its a good measure. I dont live there so I cant say what is good for the british people.

Originally posted by BrianFlanders
So. Here's what I'm seeing so far....

1. British government is preparing to build a database of all British citizens who are "sex addicts"

2. The only way to avoid being placed on this list is to refrain from asking for permission from the government to access adult content. It is therefore highly likely that every solitary individual who enjoys porn even on a very infrequent basis will be in this insidious database.

3. Seeing as to how England has "free" healthcare which has deeply infiltrated every corner of the private lives of every citizen, it will invariably come up at some point that these "sex addicts" are in desperate need of "treatment" (you see. If you call it "treatment" instead of "brainwashing" it sounds so much more humane and acceptable). And since an "addict" never knows what's good for him, it will obviously be necessary to make this "treatment" compulsory. How else are they supposed to "cure" them?

4. Obviously, they will know exactly where to find all of their "patients" when the time comes.

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You cant be serious about this. People being put on lists?? Who the hell cares about it? Just by posting on ATS and other conspiracy sites we are ALREADY on some list somewhere. I personally could not give two flying monkeys what any government thinks, especially considering both the UK and USA are so pathetically corrupt in the global arena.

As for NHS in the UK I think it is much better than the affordable healthcare act of the USA. Most countries have developed such systems decades ago. I think USA and australia are the only two developed countries which lag behind. Privatised healthcare is a disaster because big business creates monopolies that are difficult if not impossible to break up.

Would you take parenting advice from a man who left his child behind in a pub?

www.guardian.co.uk...

Suprised this hasn't been brought up yet.

Originally posted by Rocker2013

What do you mean "deeply infiltrated"? The NHS is supported across the country, and it's one of the best things about the UK too.

That is precisely what I mean.

We pay a small amount of tax to be guaranteed treatment anywhere in the country for anything from a bump on the head to cardiac care.

In my experience as an American, it is a relatively short path from a thing being guaranteed to a thing being mandatory. You'll have to forgive me for applying my past experience to my predictions about the future.

The NHS is not profit making. So where is the reason for "forcing" people to have "treatment"?

Here you go. Japan is another one of those highly collectivist societies. This is the kind of thing you expect in such a society

You've never heard of ideology as an actual motive? You never heard of it? Look up the name "Kellogg" for a very tiny sample. I was looking at his Wikipedia page earlier today. Truth be told, I honestly couldn't tell where his ideology ended and his profit motive began. But nevermind that. I tend to look more at what came about as a result of a thing/action/statement to formulate a coherent opinion. All I know is that I was sexually mutilated by a doctor shortly after birth for the sole purpose of trying to destroy my ability to masturbate.

Now it's just a guess but I think it's a good one. Maybe this is why I don't trust doctors and those who claim to be doing things for my own good.

I think you're more than a little clueless about the NHS, and I think this comes from a biased view in an effort to attack Obamacare.

I don't think attacking Obamacare is very difficult. An effort is not required. A law that requires me to participate in the guarantee to medical treatment under threat of punishment is a pretty good example of one of the many reasons why this development in the UK is (shall we say) disconcerting.

There could not be any possible reason for the government to want to have millions of people having treatment for something in the NHS.

Think so? Not so long ago, I would have thought it was preposterous to call masturbation an addiction in a blatantly dishonest attempt to justify persecution against people who like to masturbate. Well, I won't say I'd have thought it couldn't happen. People have said a lot of stupid things in their endless quest to stamp out sexual freedom. A better way of expressing it would be to say that I would have thought the public would be too smart to fall for it.

The fact that you seem to think this tells me that you know nothing about the NHS to begin with.

I know everything I need to know about it. It's connected to the government. At this point, that is all that is necessary. If you don't believe the government will exploit any tool they have at their disposal then you haven't been paying attention and you must not have read the story that inspired this thread. Apparently, you are in denial.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
You cant be serious about this.

I certainly can.

People being put on lists??

You never heard of a "no fly list" or a "terrorism watch list" I guess.

Who the hell cares about it?

1. People who don't want to be on lists?

2. People who believe that someone who puts your name on a list must have a reason?

3. People who don't buy the contrived piss poor excuse that it's to protect the children?

4. People who reason (not unreasonably) that if the stated excuse is not the real reason, the real reason must exist?

5. People who believe that if the government doesn't want to talk about the real reason, they must be worried about how it would sound if they just said it?

Just by posting on ATS and other conspiracy sites we are ALREADY on some list somewhere.

And we are doing what we can to confront this likelihood by not denying it and protesting to whatever extent we legally can. You're saying we shouldn't care if we are on these lists? Is that really what you're saying?

As for NHS in the UK I think it is much better than the affordable healthcare act of the USA.

I think it's just another convenient way to control people. Give it time and you will see that I am correct.

Most countries have developed such systems decades ago.

And most of these countries will have to deal with the consequences of their actions in the future. Just because it hasn't happened yet (Not to a large extent, anyway) doesn't mean it won't. Your private dealings with the medical industry just happen to be one of the most convenient conduits for the government to send it's tentacles into your private life. All it needs is to make whatever excuses it needs to get itself deeply involved in the medical industry and it's relationship to it's patients. Doesn't matter what they have to say. How many lies they have to tell. Which specific vulnerabilities in people's lives they need to exploit in order to create the excuses. As long as it works. It will be impossible to undo once it's done even if you can trace it back and see every little dirty trick they used.

Throw in the field of psychiatry/psychology and a very clear desire for the government to be able to brainwash people and you have a recipe for disaster.

I wish Shaw would do this for their cable and internet so that no one in your home can violate your wishes. Porn is a crime against women, children, humanity and all souls. Its right up there with murder and rape in how horrendous it is.

Gee thanks you sweet guy, mr BrianFlanders for foeing me for speaking up what nearly every woman on earth knows and feels and is forced to endure and be objectified by. Obviously you're a male, and don't care who you walk on to get your fix.

I've never in my life felt the childish urge to foe someone, but I can see not all posters are mature, adults here.

I think people who view other abused children and slaves (for the main) who make up that industry might one day be coming back in a bad situation themselves.

Some of us know things like this from birth and would never harm or view anyone being harmed.

Others are very selfish.

Then there are people who feel this is a freedom issue, so they may not like porn and degragation of women, but they feel they have to put up with it.

No, this isn't freedom of expression. This is massive violence and hate crimes against women, and is right up there with slavery, murder and rape. Yes it not only needs to be blocked but prosecuted, not the actors themselves, but the producers and the ones who view it. But viewing should be a lesser charge compared to producing it. And that was funded by CIA and black ops. They are the ones who promote all these horrors.

Many of the women in this have been horribly and criminally abused since childhood, and often hooked on major drugs and its the most ugly filthy thing you can imagine that this crime is packaged off and sold as clean entertainiment.

Others are raised in ritual families and abused sexually and packaged off that way by the many satanists corrupted by the cia/black op/mengle programs out there.

My God, Grow the hell up and Love your mothers, wives, sisters and daughters, because there is nothing that makes this OK.

Rescue those women and children.

Children aren't even safe in a world where that is entertainment.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Gee thanks you sweet guy, mr BrianFlanders for foeing me for speaking up what nearly every woman on earth knows and feels and is forced to endure and be objectified by. Obviously you're a male, and don't care who you walk on to get your fix.

I've never in my life felt the childish urge to foe someone, but I can see not all posters are mature, adults here.

Well, as far as I know, there is no way on this forum to award someone with a "I disagree with this post" or something like a negative star so I did the best I could. We are obviously polar opposites and this is a fundamental issue with me. Anyone who doesn't believe in free speech is my enemy. I don't have the slightest problem with saying so.

I don't think it's childish and I don't care.

I think people who view other abused children and slaves (for the main) who make up that industry might one day be coming back in a bad situation themselves.

We are not talking about children being abused here. We're talking about adult porn where everything is consensual, all the papers are signed, all the Ts are crossed and Is are dotted. These things are assumed to have been all taken care of by the vast majority of the people who watch mainstream porn.

IF (and I stress IF) in some cases bad stuff is going on behind the scenes, this would be something you couldn't possibly expect someone who bought a DVD or a web site membership with a credit card to be aware of. I personally try to read the 2257 and legal statements on every adult web site I visit. Especially if I see anything that looks a little shady. I shy away from adult sites where the females look a little young. The kind of thing you're talking about is already illegal. I don't know anyone who purposely goes looking for illegal content.

The women who work adult (In the US particularly) are not slaves. They often answer ads and go for interviews. They sign legal papers, get paid and cash checks. How is this slavery?

You are the one who is degrading women by implying these women cannot make their own choices because they might have had some unpleasant things in their past. As if women are so emotionally and psychologically delicate they couldn't possibly get past it. Or if they choose to participate in the sex industry, there must be something wrong with them that disqualifies them from the right to think for themselves. They need you to think for them and protect them from making choices you disagree with and find offensive.

Originally posted by Unity_99

No, this isn't freedom of expression.

Yes it is. You don't need freedom of speech (and expression) if it only protects expression everyone agrees with and doesn't offend anyone.

This is massive violence and hate crimes against women

There is no such thing as a "hate crime". I'm assuming you're speaking mainly about the mainstream porn industry and again, the stuff you see in the typical porn movie is (supposed to be) consensual so it isn't a crime. "Hate crime" is a term people try to use when they're trying to make a crime sound worse than it is. But it needs to be a crime to begin with. Having sex is not a crime even if it offends you. Having sex with someone who had a bad childhood is not a crime or these women would never be allowed to have sex with anyone.

and is right up there with slavery, murder and rape.

Oh really? Why is this? Humor me. Explain to me why you believe this.

Yes it not only needs to be blocked but prosecuted, not the actors themselves, but the producers and the ones who view it.

Why? I think it would help a lot if you would describe (generally) what kind of porn you are talking about. I get the impression you're talking about normal adult porn and that you're just another one of those people who wants to ban everything that offends you. Prove me wrong.

What's the worst problem in the world?

Is it the Chinese government?

Is it North Korea?

Is it the American government scribbling out every single constitutional amendment and laughing about it as they do it?

Is it virtually every government spying on your phone calls, your emails and virtually everything else you do?

Is it censorship?

Is it lying politicians starting wars in distant countries for no reason?

No. It's those dirty men sitting at their computers MASTURBATING! THE! SKY! IS! FALLING!

Originally posted by Unity_99
I wish Shaw would do this for their cable and internet so that no one in your home can violate your wishes. Porn is a crime against women, children, humanity and all souls. Its right up there with murder and rape in how horrendous it is.

And by the way, if you don't want the people in your house to be free to watch, think, read and listen to whatever they want, ask them to leave. Why would you want to control every person in your house?

This goes back to what I said before (you might have missed it). I think a lot of women hate porn because they hate sex (or at least they hate the kind of sex their husband wants) and their husbands turn to porn out of desperation. Then they get jealous because the husband has the satisfaction they wanted to deny him.

Cry me a river.

As many suspected the announcement was the usual Tory lies and misdirection. This very site could be filtered out automatically if the information in this article is true,.

Sleepwalknig into censroship

Esoteric sites?? what the hell does that mean?

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Listen friend, I don't know how to explain this to you without insulting you massively, but you only speak on behalf of yourself and no one else. Do you understand this? Many, many women will disagree with you and I am not even speaking about the men.

Maybe you were abused as a child, maybe you were born in a very conservative enviroment, honestly I do not know what your issues are. Everyone is different. Saying all women this and all women that is dishonest and if I did not know you better I would have thought you are trying to spread disinfo.

I think you are a good person and I normally agree with your posts, but on the porn issue it is unfortunate that you have such extreme views. Take care and stay healthy because we need more truthers like you. I consider you a friend.

Originally posted by BrianFlanders

Originally posted by Unity_99
I wish Shaw would do this for their cable and internet so that no one in your home can violate your wishes. Porn is a crime against women, children, humanity and all souls. Its right up there with murder and rape in how horrendous it is.

And by the way, if you don't want the people in your house to be free to watch, think, read and listen to whatever they want, ask them to leave. Why would you want to control every person in your house?

This goes back to what I said before (you might have missed it). I think a lot of women hate porn because they hate sex (or at least they hate the kind of sex their husband wants) and their husbands turn to porn out of desperation. Then they get jealous because the husband has the satisfaction they wanted to deny him.

Cry me a river.

Jealousy is a human trait. Some are jealous of others having more money, some are jealous of others being smarter, some are jealous of others looking better than them, etc. We cant eradicate this and we can only try to improve ourselves by first being honest of our shortcommings. Some times we succeed and some times we fail in this endeavor.

Not everyone has to enjoy sex, but being intolerant of others is a tale-tale sign of unresolved issues in my modest opinion. Psychiatrists can help people with deep seated hate, and for the milder problems one should see a sexual therapist.

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You really should try to refrain from commenting on how everyone here is ill or needs therapy or have jealousy issues for not liking porn. It really just reads the opposite.

Just so you know, people without porn in their lives can have healthy sex lives, we just don't feel that we need up close graphics of these acts to get in the mood. We also may not place a lot of importance on unique forms of sex. We also may be past that phase in our lives of wild sex and find other aspects of life equally thrilling.

I prefer to ignore you in this thread, because you manipulate the words of those not seeing this subject your way, but thought you mind want to know, we are not buying your opinion (well, those that don't appreciate porn, aren't).

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by InhaleExhale
The issue seems to be lost on this thread as too many want to discuss porn.

So you would want to ignore the excuses and justification for Dave's right-wing views and pushing through of restriction of freedoms and rights.

Like it or not, the basis for this nonsense is something that needs to be discussed. If feminists are lobbying our PM to remove individual rights and freedoms because they don't like something, that something has to be a part of the discussion. If Christians are lobbying government to force their moralistic views on the public, based in their own nonsense conclusions and propaganda, that should be a part of this debate.

You cannot talk about the near criminalization of something without talking about the thing to be criminalized or the excuses those who want to criminalize it are using in their argument. That makes no logical sense at all.

What?

Not ignore but point out that it is wool being pulled over the eyes of those supporting this and saying yes porn is bad it must be banned.

Porn isn't the issue its that a ban on internet porn and anyone wanting access will have to request it from their ISP is a large step towards toward tyranny. if this goes ahead whats next?

People discussing whether they watch porn and if it they are rapist or not steers away from the issue pointed out above towards a discussion on porn alone and peoples likes or dislikes.

Yes porn has to be a part of the discussion, but I see it hijacking the thread and the issue of freedom of choice being taken away from the many by the few is being sidelined.

This is why Porn was chosen instead sites like this where some topics discussed are frowned upon by Government. Its easier to gain support from a loud crowd than conspiracy sites would. In the States over the last few years there has been word about conspiracy being attacked in a way similar to what Porn is being attacked in the UK. Watch lists and what not.

I see it as an attach on freedom, it matters not whether its on porn, guns, drugs, food they want to ban.

reply to post by Unity_99

for speaking up what nearly every woman on earth knows and feels and is forced to endure and be objectified by.

What was that again?

Having other people speak on their behalf?

Yeah I would be pissed too if someone else thought they could speak for me or anyone else other than them selves.

I've never in my life felt the childish urge to foe someone,

If you think features available on ATS to use are childish why post and not just read?

but I can see not all posters are mature, adults here.

Is their a criteria to be? Or is that a cheap shot?

I think people who view other abused children and slaves (for the main) who make up that industry might one day be coming back in a bad situation themselves. Some of us know things like this from birth and would never harm or view anyone being harmed. Others are very selfish.

"View other abused children and slaves"

Is that what porn is to you? Its not sex on film from consenting adults but abuse of children and slaves?

Your mind has some sick things going through it, and you have the nerve to be disgusted at others