The Zionist Conspiracy is Bunk

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posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 03:50 PM
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One of the bigger lies that exists within the massive compilation of lies that is collectively known as the “Truth Movement” is that it is morally wrong to criticize “all Jews,” and thus we need to use various euphemisms to describe Jewish criminality. The two most popular euphemisms are “Zionists” and “Khazars”. Herein I will explain why both are inaccurate descriptions of the enemy we are fighting, and why both should be abandoned in favor of honest terminology, such as “Jews,” “the Jew,” or “international Jewry.”


Good article. First, it explains Zionism.




When we talk about “Zionists” being responsible for all of our problems, what are we even actually saying? The secular Jews of New York and Hollywood, while surely “supporting” Israel in the same way that every Jew supports every exploitative endeavor of his tribe, have absolutely no connection to, or personal interest in, the Zionist state in Palestine.

On top of this, Zionism is a political doctrine which has only been around for a century. What are we to do with the fact that we have been at war with this tribe since we first encountered them over 2000 years ago?

On some of these sites, I have seen people make the claim that “Zionists” were responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution – at that period in history, political Zionism was a recent development, and had very little support among the Jewish population as a whole who were very happy feeding off of their host populations in white countries and had no desire to go live in the desert and fight Arabs. The Bolshevik Revolution had nothing whatsoever to do with political Zionism. This was an act of the Jew.

Zionism is simply Judaism politicized. Like the Jewish religion, it is simply a manifestation of the Jewish tribal, racial drives.



Seems pretty legit to me. Now, the Khazars.




The foremost issue with the “Ashkenazi Jews are all Khazars” theory is that zero factual proof exists to support it. It surely cannot be totally disproved, especially if one rejects recent genetic studies as a Khazarian Jewish conspiracy – I am not a geneticist, so I am not really qualified to comment on whether or not these genetic tests were faked or skewed in some way, but it seems to me to be rather unlikely.

It is clear that the sometime in the early part of the 8th century, King of the the Khazars, as well as members of the aristocracy of that society, did convert to Judaism. It is unclear what percentage of the whole population converted. Beyond this, we have zero reason to believe that the European, Ashkenazi Jews are in any significant part the result of this conversion (though it is surely possible that a portion of the Jews who migrated up from the Middle East to Eastern Europe did interbreed with the Khazars, and the genetic tests do show that Askenazi Jews have a percentage of Eastern European blood, this is not particularly interesting, given that we already know that the Jews tend to mix with various populations they live among to a certain extent). Note that there is a group of Jews still living in Turkey today, called the Crimean Karaites, who are known to be descended from the Khazar converts, so it isn’t as if they simply disappeared.

Promoting the theory as if it is somehow proven or even has significant evidence to support it makes a person seem irresponsible and/or uninformed.

This idea has largely been promoted by people who are more concerned about an ideology than the actual facts. Christian Identity latched on to this theory in the early 20th century as a means to support their own religious beliefs regarding their Israelite heritage having been stolen from them. Later, other Christians grabbed it as a means to explain away the obviously evil nature of the people who founded their religion.

As propaganda against the ruling Jewish elite, it seems to me to be utterly feeble. The argument often presented is that Jews don’t have a right to steal Palestine because their origins are not in Palestine. It follows then that if the Jews could trace their origins to Palestine (which they at least appear to have done with genetic tests), they would have a right to kill or displace the native inhabitants of that land. Whether their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago or not, there is no justification for what they are doing to the Palestinians, and by engaging them on this level, one is simply giving credence to their position.

On top of all this, the theory seems to state that the Jews written about by the likes of Mohammad the Prophet and the ancient Romans – who described the exact same type of behavior the Jews are involved in today – were the “real Jews.” We are then supposed to believe that the destructive behavior patterns of the Jew manifest solely as a result of religious practices, which discounts the reality that the Jewish problem is a racial problem. We are also left with the confusing problem of why, if the Khazar Jews are the true enemy, the Sephardi Jews behave in the exact same way as they do.

Pressing the Khazar theory is a horrible strategy, and I would be happy to see it never mentioned again, save for in academic discussions.


To read the full de-bunking article, see here.

Also, in a similar thread I made a little while back in an attempt to debunk the Zionist conspiracy (see here) by eliminating any possible relation between Jews, Khazarian or otherwise, to the secret societies in question (Freemasons, Illuminati, Bilderberg, Skull&Bones, etc). But I left out one major detail that I actually knew, but I completely forgot until a friend reminded me.

Adam Weishaupt, the German who founded the Illuminati, while it was confirmed that he was Catholic, was actually born (Khazarian) Jewish, and later converted to Catholicism.

HOWEVER! This means nothing, except that there is one slim connection to the Illuminat.

Does this mean that Khazarian Jews are out to rule the world?

No.

Why, if Adam wanted to embrace his Jewish heritage and rule the world by it, would he denounce it? And also, why would women AND Jews be treated as lesser people when being initiated into the Illuminati?

Its a fact that Adam Weishaupt did not allow women or Jews into the *main* Illuminati.

They required separate sects and rules.

I personally think this whole "Jews rule the world!" theory came from the Rothchilds.

They are extremely rich people, and have control over many things in the world, and they happen to decend from the Khazarian Jews. This does not mean that there is an evil Jewish empire built on money.

And before I wrap this up, I'd like to point out that, if Alex Jones was a "Zionist Shill," why would he touch on this topic at all?



See, I don't believe he's a Zionist Jew lover, not because I worship the ground he walks on or anything (before you haters jump the gun), but because I do not believe in the Zionist conspiracy.

Please drop this conspiracy.

Its shallow, void, and doesn't deserve attention anymore.




posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:03 PM
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I ran out of typing space.

As critical thinkers who claim to deny ignorance, we must make an effort to separate the fabricated paranoia from the facts in front of us. Yes, it is extremely maddening, but its needed.

I can't find solid proof or even strong evidence ANYWHERE for the Zionist conspiracy.

I believe we have an obligation to care about political issues, GMOs, war, debts, lies, inside jobs, cover-ups, etc etc. There is no particular race or religion responsible, and its extremely bias and primitive to suggest so.

PLEASE, see humans as humans, not sects and teams.

The wealthy vs the poor, not the Jewish vs the world.

Come on, folks. You're all smarter than this.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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The foremost issue with the “Ashkenazi Jews are all Khazars” theory is that zero factual proof exists to support it.

Then in the next breath:


It is clear that the sometime in the early part of the 8th century, King of the the Khazars, as well as members of the aristocracy of that society, did convert to Judaism.


pretty funny stuff.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX


I can't find solid proof or even strong evidence ANYWHERE for the Zionist conspiracy.


Billions of dollars going to Israel?
Nobody of any power making a big deal out of it when they kill innocent civilians?
I'm sorry but there isn't a single group that has better protection of any criticism at all than Jewish people. Any criticism at all automatically gets put in the anti-Semitic bin.

I don't really know if there's any truth to the conspiracy, but anyone saying there's no evidence at all is ignorant.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:11 PM
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pretty funny stuff.



It is unclear what percentage of the whole population converted. Beyond this, we have zero reason to believe that the European, Ashkenazi Jews are in any significant part the result of this conversion



Promoting the theory as if it is somehow proven or even has significant evidence to support it makes a person seem irresponsible and/or uninformed.


The point is, there is no proof, and no one can say otherwise.

Please read the whole thing.




posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:12 PM
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Zionism is to Judaism what Islamic terrorism is to conventional Islam; it's a radicalized movement that gains ground and justifies its horrific actions by hiding behind a religion and empowering its denizens. You know, the whole "chosen people of god fighting his/her holy war" bulls***.

To clump all Jews together is to vilify a large group of people, a great majority of whom are kind people without a sociopolitical agenda or genocidal tendencies.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX


I can't find solid proof or even strong evidence ANYWHERE for the Zionist conspiracy.


Billions of dollars going to Israel?
Nobody of any power making a big deal out of it when they kill innocent civilians?
I'm sorry but there isn't a single group that has better protection of any criticism at all than Jewish people. Any criticism at all automatically gets put in the anti-Semitic bin.

I don't really know if there's any truth to the conspiracy, but anyone saying there's no evidence at all is ignorant.





I agree that our government is probably in bed with theirs.

But that's government. Business, money, and greed.

But there is no connection between ordinary Israelites and Khazars.

And, as it seems, the Khazarians (Rothchilds, really) are the only "Jews rule the world" evidence out there.

This does not suggest that Jews have us under their thumb, not at all.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Zionism is to Judaism what Islamic terrorism is to conventional Islam; it's a radicalized movement that gains ground and justifies its horrific actions by hiding behind a religion and empowering its denizens. You know, the whole "chosen people of god fighting his/her holy war" bulls***.

To clump all Jews together is to vilify a large group of people, a great majority of whom are kind people without a sociopolitical agenda or genocidal tendencies.



Zionism; A movement for (originally) the reestablishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann


Zionism is only Israel's nationalism.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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Zionism is only Israel's nationalism.


Joe Biden is not an Israeli and claims to be a Zionist.



I sense a conspiracy in the works



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:32 PM
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It's not, but believe what you will. This issue was debated in in depth while I was attending a class on ethics and political theory. It's much more than the "nationalism of Israel." Keep in mind that there is a great deal of propaganda, and money, surrounding Isreal and her political motives. It is very hard to find an unbiased, truly factual source.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX



It is unclear what percentage of the whole population converted. Beyond this, we have zero reason to believe that the European, Ashkenazi Jews are in any significant part the result of this conversion


The point is, there is no proof, and no one can say otherwise.

Please read the whole thing.


The very first sentence of your source says ZERO evidence. Then a couple sentences later they list something that is definitely partial evidence.

now onto what you just posted:
Saying "It's unclear what percentage" is not debunking anything!!!

The only way they could debunk the claim is if you actually knew the percentage.

They're just saying we don't know so that means they are wrong and our side is right. That's all they did.
It's a fact at least some Khazaars converted. Which means the theory that a majority converted is a very plausible theory. Saying it must be wrong because the exact percentage isn't known is flawed reasoning.

This is something I constantly see from people trying to "debunk" zionist claims.
They just say the other side is wrong, and they don't do any real debunking.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:44 PM
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Nice sentiment sweetie. Very emotional and all. You just forgot to mention this tiny, yet very damning detail from the archives of History, called the Balfour Declaration, written by United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Walter Rothschild.

Balfour declaration



I suggest you study this rather damning document that gives a slight hint about Great Britains support of the Zionist state.

This document was the very seal of approval of what later come to be the great genocide of palestians during the period of 1940-1960. as the state of Israel was born on the bones of murdered palestinians and officially reckognized 1949 from which it expanded with the good memoryl and support of the elite in UK.

You can hide the blood on your clothes sweetie, by turning them inside out, but you cannot hide the smell.

Just a thought toots
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posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:45 PM
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Dear XxNightAngelusxX,

Please tell me if I got this correct. You are like a 21 year old Jew who maybe lives in Israel. I am a 53 year old white, Irish ex-Catholic, Protestant minister (I hate calling myself a minister). LOL. I absolutely agree, there is no Zionist conspiracy. People believe there is because the Jews have done so well in many ways and paid for it so dearly. White westerners are afraid to compete with Jews and Asians, we have become lazy and need an excuse for not being the best us that we can be. Hugs young lady.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 08:14 PM
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Hrmmm... You are aware that when people speak in such ways about the Khazar Warrior clan's Descendants that those people are talking about family lines that have tried as best they can to keep their Khazar blood pure?.... (Rothschild)...

And are NOT referring to all Jewish people.... Much like how Genghis Khan was evil, and many Mongolians have DNA traceable back to Genghis Khan. Yet of course share none of his views.

This is much like some Families of the Khazar Warrior Clan. Many Jewish people have Khazar Blood yet, However this will be attributed to specific Khazar sects raping and pillaging the world at that time.

You seem to be claiming anyone speaking out against the Khazars is also speaking out against Jewish people as a whole.... That would be an incorrect assumption.

For myself, From the research I have done. It seems that the Khazars we need to be concerned with are the Pure blooded families (Rothschild, etc) Not ALL jewish people as some would like to claim.

The Zionist Conspiracy is not bunk.... Just needs to be looked at more closely that maybe you are looking at it.....
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posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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They are extremely rich people, and have control over many things in the world, and they happen to decend from the Khazarian Jews. This does not mean that there is an evil Jewish empire built on money.


BUT... what makes the Jews a special case is the fact that they happen to wield so much power, wealth and influence... in places where they live as minorities. It is the disproportionate power held by a small group of people that makes the whole thing rather suspicious.

The American vice president Joe Biden himself admits that Jews were immensely influential in driving gay marriage changes through their media. See this thread on the same. This is just one aspect of Jewish manipulation / control of the masses, but the fact remains that a tiny minority has what it takes to influence the host country.

I don't know about you and the others.... but I simply can't bring myself to believe a rich and powerful force, that also controls the media and many other institutions... would stop short of planning something bigger, despite having the capabilities of doing so.


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posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 10:48 PM
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I don't quite understand why people make this about religion or race, or any other non issue labels to be honest.

I don't feel different about what goes on in Palestine, than I do in the DRC. Both are deplorable, both are crimes of war and are conflicts that are artificially inflated and propagated.

I don't look at it and think, well there must be a black conspiracy or a "insert buzz word here" conspiracy, I think to myself, wow, some humans over there are being terrible at being human. We should probably do something about that. Actually, it should be our duty as civilized and educated folk to try our best to keep these things from happening.

As opposed to the way we do it now. I don't have to go cherry picking and take count of how many jews work in banking or in Hollywood, or how many of this kind of person works in this industry. What I need to look at is bad people doing bad things and I don't really care what their idiotic ideological constructs are.

Those people's opinions and ideas aren't actually valid, because they believe they can choose to take the lives of others for their own gain. Nobody of that mindset should have a say in anything really, so why do we keep pretending like these idiots matter?

The real conspiracy IMO, is the fact that they've all got us looking in different places, for evil that's right in front of us.

~Tenth



posted on Jul, 11 2013 @ 12:42 PM
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A simple google search will show you this..


The first mention of the word “Zion” in the Bible is 2 Samuel 5:7: “Nevertheless, David captured the fortress of Zion, the City of David.” “Zion,” therefore, was originally the name of the ancient Jebusite fortress in the city of Jerusalem. “Zion” came to stand not only for the fortress but also for city in which the fortress stood. After David captured “the stronghold of Zion,” Zion was then called “the City of David” (1 Kings 8:1; 1 Chronicles 11:5; 2 Chronicles 5:2).


if you cant see a King conquering a fortress then assimilating the name & city isn't a political move for religious & power well before a 1k years ..ago you will believe anything anyone tells you.. you need to keep reading..

which makes me wonder..

why do you feel the need to make excuses?

rebuilding Zion has been a political/religious agenda for thousands of years. its 5773 by the jewish calendar.



www.realjewnews.com...








posted on Jul, 11 2013 @ 01:31 PM
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It's partly bunk because they work for The Rothchild's, The Pope's Bankers. Therefore they work for the Vatican. It is a Vatican conspiracy. The Whore in the 7 hills.





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