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Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by jude11
Extreme Haemophiliacs may see this as far more dangerous but if it is carried out by anyone other than a medical trained person constitutes a clear breach of international human rights laws concerning the treatment of person the infringement of human dignity, now I do not like drink drivers but this is going too far.
Insurance queries as concerns the unauthorised and medically unqualified use of this technique need to be asked.
Originally posted by Redarguo
Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by jude11
Extreme Haemophiliacs may see this as far more dangerous but if it is carried out by anyone other than a medical trained person constitutes a clear breach of international human rights laws concerning the treatment of person the infringement of human dignity, now I do not like drink drivers but this is going too far.
Insurance queries as concerns the unauthorised and medically unqualified use of this technique need to be asked.
Its done by a nurseedit on 1-7-2013 by Redarguo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Redarguo
Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by jude11
Extreme Haemophiliacs may see this as far more dangerous but if it is carried out by anyone other than a medical trained person constitutes a clear breach of international human rights laws concerning the treatment of person the infringement of human dignity, now I do not like drink drivers but this is going too far.
Insurance queries as concerns the unauthorised and medically unqualified use of this technique need to be asked.
Its done by a nurseedit on 1-7-2013 by Redarguo because: (no reason given)
Well, It's all ok then.
Peace
Originally posted by mus8472
This is done POST arrest only. You people need to get your facts straight before you fly off the handle. The reason it's done in the field is to have a more accurate reading closer to the time of the incident. Again this is POST arrest only.
Paramedic in North Carolina who has done blood draws of this type many times.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by jude11
I hope everyone here notices how intentionally vague you are about the procedure to incite anger.
Then when someone explains it.... here you come all short tempered.
Its very dishonest, but you already know that.
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by jude11
Maybe if you had a better idea of how to catch and prevent drunk driving we could scrap the whole thing.
People subvert laws written in the blood of innocents in the name of freedom. What should be done?
This is just a pretext to yet another loss of rights and freedoms.
If they can do this for this reason, why not other reasons? Once it becomes accepted in the public eye, it's on to the next.
Since there is a law that states either you give the breathalyzer or be considered guilty, isn't that enough? No, this is much more.
They are holding people down, restraining them, twisting their necks and drawing blood against their will. And what if you are NOT drunk? Same treatment.
Consider it. You are not drunk but the cop says you are. You are detained, strapped down, arm across your neck and head, needle stuck in you...and you are innocent. I believe you would have a different opinion of this if it actually happened to you.
Nope, not the answer at all.
Peace
Originally posted by uncommitted
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by jude11
Maybe if you had a better idea of how to catch and prevent drunk driving we could scrap the whole thing.
People subvert laws written in the blood of innocents in the name of freedom. What should be done?
This is just a pretext to yet another loss of rights and freedoms.
If they can do this for this reason, why not other reasons? Once it becomes accepted in the public eye, it's on to the next.
Since there is a law that states either you give the breathalyzer or be considered guilty, isn't that enough? No, this is much more.
They are holding people down, restraining them, twisting their necks and drawing blood against their will. And what if you are NOT drunk? Same treatment.
Consider it. You are not drunk but the cop says you are. You are detained, strapped down, arm across your neck and head, needle stuck in you...and you are innocent. I believe you would have a different opinion of this if it actually happened to you.
Nope, not the answer at all.
Peace
So....... if you ARE drunk you are all for you being able to escape any checks to prove it and thus deny you the right to put other peoples lives at risk? To quote you, I believe you would have a different opinion of this if it actually happened to you (or added by me, any of your family or friends that was injured or killed by a drunk driver).
Doesn't the saying on here go that your rights exist until they violate mine? In this case that is a much more clear cut way of looking at this.
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by uncommitted
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by jude11
Maybe if you had a better idea of how to catch and prevent drunk driving we could scrap the whole thing.
People subvert laws written in the blood of innocents in the name of freedom. What should be done?
This is just a pretext to yet another loss of rights and freedoms.
If they can do this for this reason, why not other reasons? Once it becomes accepted in the public eye, it's on to the next.
Since there is a law that states either you give the breathalyzer or be considered guilty, isn't that enough? No, this is much more.
They are holding people down, restraining them, twisting their necks and drawing blood against their will. And what if you are NOT drunk? Same treatment.
Consider it. You are not drunk but the cop says you are. You are detained, strapped down, arm across your neck and head, needle stuck in you...and you are innocent. I believe you would have a different opinion of this if it actually happened to you.
Nope, not the answer at all.
Peace
So....... if you ARE drunk you are all for you being able to escape any checks to prove it and thus deny you the right to put other peoples lives at risk? To quote you, I believe you would have a different opinion of this if it actually happened to you (or added by me, any of your family or friends that was injured or killed by a drunk driver).
Doesn't the saying on here go that your rights exist until they violate mine? In this case that is a much more clear cut way of looking at this.
Please remember...
"Suspected"...not guilty.
And if this law of "Suspected" allows law enforcement to conduct such draconian measures, where does it stop?
Think outside the box on this one. If this is allowed, where does it stop?
Knocking on your door, entering, seizing anything they want and then using the precedent of "Suspected" is next.
Are you ok with them illegally doing this in your home?
If so, good luck.
Peace
Originally posted by Daedalus
i agree, zero tolerance is the way to go with it. if you are obviously drunk, and you refuse, you get arrested, your car impounded, you go to jail for the night, you lose your license, and you have your day in court.
strapping people down, and taking their blood, because they did not want to comply with the request, it taking it too far.
Originally posted by Daedalus
there's no longer any need to collect evidence, because they're off the road, and won't be back on it legally for a long time.
Originally posted by Stashman
This is very disturbing indeed. Everyone that is forced to go through this should file suit against all officers involved for emotional trauma.
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Stashman
The 5th (which actually stems from English common Law and the Magna Carta which the Founding fathers just pinched) only protects you from being forced to testify against yourself. It doesn't protect you from having physical evidence of your law breaking being taken.
Originally posted by Stashman
According to common law or natural law there must be a injured party before it is considered unlawful. In this case they will force a blood draw if refused consent happens regardless if there is an injured party. If there is no accident resulting in injury or property damage than technically they shouldn't even be arrested to begin with.