Originally posted by AtleeElmont
If a spike in bus fare was the tipping point for the people of Brazil...then what's it gonna take for us Americans to reach our tipping point?
The bus fare is just a spark, the many hundreds of thousands who have now gone out onto the streets are protesting about the violent response from the
authorities, joining the protest in solidarity, and for their own general sense of anger at ongoing economic problems and corruption in government.
It was just passed off as being about the bus fare rise to diminish the impact of the protests.
In almost every instance the response from the police and government to a protest is the tipping point. People protest, someone gets beaten, more
people come out, the police become more violent, and more people come out... eventually you end up spiraling into what's happening in Syria if the
government refuses to change or step down.
This is exactly what our western governments are trying to stop with the mass monitoring of the people. They want the power to disrupt any protest
before it even gets started. The mass monitoring programs we are seeing are an attempt to silence political opinion and protest groups, which is why
they are gathering up data on everyone and not just criminals.
A protest movement like Occupy or the Tea Party needs an outlet that's free and open, it needs facebook pages and blogs, mailing lists and forums to
spread the news and plan protest events. This is why the monitoring is so comprehensive.
If the Occupy or Tea Party movement were this size in the USA, there would be mass monitoring of every senior member (and there probably was when both
groups were ongoing) and at a point when they are deemed to be a real threat to "the establishment" they are framed for something. With the Occupy
and Tea Party they undoubtedly had people inside, but they could basically sit back and watch the two bickering between them, discrediting each other
and keeping the groups distracted. But if the two had found a common ground and combined, the US government would probably have done something they
could have framed them for, rounded them up, prosecuted and silenced them.
I don't think anything in the US will change. I mean, just look at the scandals facing Obama right now, and the outright lies he's telling the
American people about the NSA being "focused" on just criminals and terrorists - notice no one has asked him about that new NSA building in Utah or
how such computing power could possibly be used to monitor and track just a million "criminals". Hell, I could do that with a data storage system
0.001% the size of that thing.
I think you've already gone past the point of no return. The people of the US are so apathetic and disinterested in politics I'm betting that 80% of
people don't even understand what the NSA has been caught doing. When you think about what has brought presidents down in the past, this is 10X more
threatening and dangerous for the freedom of the American people, and they're too distracted by Honey Boo Boo and the Kardashians to even hold a
Unless Snowden has something that directly threatens and scares enough politicians and American people that they cannot possibly ignore it, nothing is
going to be done and America is going to continue to slide into a totalitarian nation.
The one thing I hope, more than anything, is that Snowden has proof of the NSA hacking and targeting journalist, news networks, judges and
politicians. I think we all suspect that this has been happening, but there needs o be proof of it to shock them out of their complacency. If all
those groups of people are found to be targets for spying and snooping, then there is a real chance of having them all on side to get Obama out and
have some measures put in place to monitor and restrict the NSA.
Without that happening, the capability of the NSA to exert more and more control over the country is going to expand and grow with each passing year
until one day they just give up on the democratic mask entirely and you wake up to find yourselves in the biggest prison camp the world has ever
This is your NWO. Snowden has only revealed a tiny fraction of what they've been up to. Even with the small part of it he's exposed you can see
without a doubt that the security/military/industrial complex has almost completely taken over America. You have a revolving door between corporations
and government across all branches, you have lobbyists sponsoring your politicians, you have corporations handling the intelligence gathering, you
have collusion between state and private business, you have spiraling debt, you have unaccountable "courts" rubber stamping breaches of the
Constitution, you have agency heads lying under oath and on camera, and you now have a president who is seemingly deceiving the people without a hint
If the people still have not woken up, they probably never will.