reply to post by pthena
I took a second look, and decided to follow up a little bit on your reply. Sorry about the day or so between these replies! Anywho, your choice of
using Nyx/Nox as an example eventually sunk in, and lead me to a very good demonstration of what my theory concerning a transcendent Feminine and an
immanent Masculine looks like when applied to mythology.
Greek mythology (at least, Hesiod and Orpheus) begin with Chaos. In Greco-Roman mythology "Chaos" is often poetically referred to as feminine. Not a
woman, mind you, but feminine in nature. This Chaos precedes the Universe, existing before, and outside of, reality as we're cognizant of it.
The first figure (in the Orphic mysteries at least) is Nyx (Roman: Nox). Now, you refer to Nyx as the "Heaven Mother", which while I may agree, I
think is still too defined for her. Nyx is a transcendent feminine force, much as is Chaos. Nyx stands at, or before, the point of creation. This
again implies a nature which is outside of, or beyond, reality.
Through parthenogenesis (self-production) Nyx creates a whole host of "beings". Well, in reality, processes: Sophrosene (temperance), Oizys (misery),
Geras (old age), Thanatos (wasting away/death), and so on. While Nyx is often defined as "Night" or "Nighttime", I think a more fitting title would be
"Darkness" or "Lack".
The second force to arise out of Chaos is called Erebus. Erebus is masculine (not necessarily male, mind you). Now, Greek Masculine Primordial
figures, as you'll see further with Tartarus, were considered to be realms, or locations, as well as consciousnesses. So, on to Nyx (the Empty Dark)
comes Erebus (the Realm of Darkness).
Nyx is the transcendent feminine noumenon; Erebus is the immanent phenomenon. When Erebus (male potency) combines with Nyx (feminine receptivity) a
new force/Primordial comes into being: Eros (defined as love, desire, passion, emotion, motion, movement). What we have here is the immanent,
masculine phenomenon which mirrors the transcendent feminine noumenon of Chaos.
Chaos was the pre-Universe Primordial feminine of infinite potential, without order, structure, or an avenue for potential being. Eros is the
universes mechanism for movement, creation, and Being. In the first four forces we can easily see the feminine/masculine network neatly displayed:
Chaos (feminine): transcendent potential
Nyx (feminine): transcendent darkness
Erebus (masculine): immanent darkness
Eros (masculine) immanent potential
Continuing forward, the next Primordial being is Gaia, which is (I believe) incorrectly defined as Mother Earth (see Demeter for a more accurate
Mother Earth). What Gaia really represents is Nature, untamed Nature to be specific. Gaia is the mother of the Titans, who, if you're familiar with
the Titanomachy, were all forces of absolute Nature. Gaia, then, I think, is the transcendent feminine noumenon of Nature.
The immanent variation? Tartarus. More than just a realm for the damned, the oath-breakers, and the forsworn, Tartarus was also a conscious entity,
whose dominion was chaotic nature, wild abandon, and primal existence. Specifically, Tartarus was the counterpart to Gaia. The pattern then
Gaia (feminine): transcendent Nature
Tartarus (masculine): immanent Nature
Gaia then, through parthenogenesis (like Chaos and Nyx before her) creates Pontus (the physical sea), the ten Ourea (mountains), and Ouranos (the
Sky). With the introduction of these three forces the cycle of transcendent feminine and immanent masculine finally breaks down.
Pontus, the Ourea, and Ouranos are all immanent males, meaning physical, engendered presences. Ouranos becomes the All-Father, who penetrates the
transcendent feminine to create the first engendered beings: the Titans, which introduce order into the cyclical entropy of the Primordial beings.
And, well, the rest is all extremely familiar Greco-Roman mythology.
Cronus, of the Titans, overthrows the immanent All-Father, leading to the Golden Age. Zeus, of the Olympians, overthrows Cronus ushering in the age of
personal deities, who interact with each other, and the occupants of the Earth: the Olympians like Zeus, Poseidon, Apollo, and Athena; as well as the
pre-Olympian deities, like Pan, Persephone, Aphrodite, and Hecate; etc.
Sorry for the lengthy (and late) reply, but I wanted to put these more in-depth ideas out there for you, since something about the transcendent nature
of the feminine seemed to resonate with you.
~ Wandering Scribe
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