The Zionist Conspiracy: Debunked

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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:08 PM
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Haxax good post.

First of I was a Freemason and obtained my second degree in the fellow craft so you can take my word with a grain of salt if you like.

From first hand experience in their practices with pledging your loyalty in symbolic rituals in a hierarchy structured society in which the further you proceed, the more knowledge you are able to obtain and quite sincerely, the oaths in which you swear your allegiance on to the holy scripture( Torah, Qur'an, Bible) become more descriptive in nature if you were to break this oath.

The symbolism in which the Freemasons use to communicate their knowledge is prevalent throughout all cultures and occultist, Illuminati, alike. Their knowledge is deep and illustrious dating back to King Solomon and beyond. History that is rarely discussed and considered "common knowledge."

Are they connected, Illuminati and Freemason, Zionist?

That's up for you to decide between the argument without sufficient evidence.

Zionism should not be confused with anti-Semitism, there are the Jews for Jesus who believe Jesus is the Messiah and will return.

The holy trinity: the father, the son the holy ghost.

The Torah(Kabbalah, Zohar, Enoch,[Abraham]) Qur'an, The Bible.




posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:12 PM
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Thats not the point, I know what the commercial definition is. I am asking for specifics, with evidence to back them up.


The videos go into detail about the Illuminati's history much better than I could. But everything I posted is basically a summary of the video's information.




Which, like I said, brings it down to the individuals.


Yep. But from my view, I'm still very doubtful of Zionist connections.




*Were* more clear. At this point, it cant even be proven that they exist, and if they do, they are certainly a different group than Weishaupt's illuminati.


Yes, but who's to say if it's survived? And more to the point, who's to say how many of Adam's ideas survived, and how many ideas of the current (possible) Illuminati are newly bred, and that no one knows of? That makes the idea of its existence a bit scarier, if it still exists.




Yes, but that is my overall point in regards to the illuminati. Im not saying they dont exist. But if it cant be proven that they do, its pretty hard to prove that they are pulling the strings, right?


Yes, it would be difficult, if not impossible to prove their current existence. But One way or another, they seem highly unlikely to have Zionist influence either.




Agreed. But I have seen nothing that shows freemasonry to have the type of power to be running the show, so to speak anyway, so its a bit moot, in my opinion.


Fair enough. No one knows for sure, so no one's to say.




Again, I agree, but they are the bottom of the food chain. They are not running anything. They are an important thing to keep an eye on, but they most certainly are not the ones running the world.


Yeah. When lined up next to Bilderberg, Skull & Bones may as well have little to no influence on anything.

I'm not claiming that Bilderberg rules the world either (God only knows), but they're much bigger, and they consist of very powerful world leaders... not to mention their agendas and meetings are always kept hush hush. They have more potential to "run the show" than most of the other secret societies in question, I think.




I dont know if thats true. Skull&Bones was founded in 1832,after a dispute between Yale debating societies Linonia, Brothers in Unity, and the Calliopean Society over that season's Phi Beta Kappa award. Im not sure how the nazi connection ties in (not saying I support them in any way, I just dont see the connection).


The Nazi sympathy is explained in the videos. They don't crucify Jews or anything extreme, but there are a lot of tid-bits of evidence supporting their ideas of Nazi sympathy.




Do you know who these men are? Do you know much about them? I only ask because if you do, it will save me some typing, as far as background info goes.


I know a little about Henry, but as a previous poster said, many families or individuals that claim to be of Jewish decent actually aren't. And even then, it wouldn't give much back to the Zionist conspiracy.

Still, I'll look more into them both, since you posted em.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by whatzshaken
Haxax good post.

First of I was a Freemason and obtained my second degree in the fellow craft so you can take my word with a grain of salt if you like.

From first hand experience in their practices with pledging your loyalty in symbolic rituals in a hierarchy structured society in which the further you proceed, the more knowledge you are able to obtain and quite sincerely, the oaths in which you swear your allegiance on to the holy scripture( Torah, Qur'an, Bible) become more descriptive in nature if you were to break this oath.

The symbolism in which the Freemasons use to communicate their knowledge is prevalent throughout all cultures and occultist, Illuminati, alike. Their knowledge is deep and illustrious dating back to King Solomon and beyond. History that is rarely discussed and considered "common knowledge."

Are they connected, Illuminati and Freemason, Zionist?

That's up for you to decide between the argument without sufficient evidence.

Zionism should not be confused with anti-Semitism, there are the Jews for Jesus who believe Jesus is the Messiah and will return.

The holy trinity: the father, the son the holy ghost.

The Torah(Kabbalah, Zohar, Enoch,[Abraham]) Qur'an, The Bible.



You were a Freemason?

I'm not calling you a liar or anything. But I thought Freemasons didn't walk away from the brotherhood.

Am I wrong on that?



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by ParanoidAmerican
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Many lodges that you are referring to are clandestine lodges as Masonry was spread to other regions without approval and official operating documents. Many started their own grand lodges to institute their own working orders.

I am with you on there is no conspiracy by Jews to control these things are done by multinationals and invisible financiers.

1- True
2- Not true..ES is open to both men and women. Daughters of Job and Rainbow Girls are exclusive affiliate groups.
3- Not true..Many lodges have bachelors who are first generation members.

Learned most attendance and participation....currently sitting SS.


Really?

I was under the impression that the rules varied depending on which Lodge, your region, country, etc.

I was just repeating what my uncle has taught me, but I could be wrong. I've never been a Freemason, so I guess I wouldn't know.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:20 PM
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I updated that last post with links to give you a better picture. Each group or rite affiliated with Freemasons has additional requirements for men it is mainly that you have achieved Master 3rd degree.
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:26 PM
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sorry my connection is buggin out??????????
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:26 PM
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posted twice my bad
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:27 PM
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Maybe I'm naive or ill-informed, but I've never been able to make the connection of Zionism to sinister forces who want to take over the world.

Zionism started in 1896 with the publication of 'Der Judenstaat' by Theodor Herzl.

It's simply about the need for a national and spiritual homeland for the Jewish people (they had never had a country since they were booted out of Palestine in the first century by the Romans).

Herzl wanted to reclaim Palestine for the Jews, but he was prepared to consider somewhere in Argentina as an alternative.

The reason being that Jews would have a national identity and status and, hence, some protection from persecution......which they have always suffered and were suffering particularly badly at the time with the pogroms.

Nothing about world domination in there that I recall.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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The videos go into detail about the Illuminati's history much better than I could. But everything I posted is basically a summary of the video's information.
Fair enough. I cant watch the videos right now, so I will have to come back to that later.




I'm not claiming that Bilderberg rules the world either (God only knows), but they're much bigger, and they consist of very powerful world leaders... not to mention their agendas and meetings are always kept hush hush. They have more potential to "run the show" than most of the other secret societies in question, I think.
If the bilderberg interests you to this extent, I highly recommend researching the CFR, Trilateral Commission, the G8, RAND, and a few others. I know its off topic, but I think they would probably REALLY interest you, not to mention the connection with the bilderbergers.




The Nazi sympathy is explained in the videos. They don't crucify Jews or anything extreme, but there are a lot of tid-bits of evidence supporting their ideas of Nazi sympathy.

Nazi sympathy I could see, what with the amount of money many of the S&B families spent supporting hitler.I just dont think they are necessarily influenced, per se.




I know a little about Henry, but as a previous poster said, many families or individuals that claim to be of Jewish decent actually aren't. And even then, it wouldn't give much back to the Zionist conspiracy. Still, I'll look more into them both, since you posted em.
I hope you do. The point I was trying to make in bringing them up is this: They are both, without question, highly influential figures over the last 50 or so years. They have advised nearly every president in that time. Both had ties with supposed enemies of the US. Both are considered achitects of war.

Both are widely considered to be among the true 'ruling elite'.

Now, look at this: Both have been considered zionists. both have been considered nazi sympathizers. Both have worked with republicans. Both have worked with democrats. Both have ties to the CFR. Both have ties to the Trilaterals. Both are rumored masons.

See what I am getting at?

I believe worrying about the groups, and whether or not each one is or isnt trying to rule the world is a distraction. There are certain influential individuals that show up tied with ALL (or, at least, many) of the groups.

If the same people are pulling the strings of each group, what does that tell you?



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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I was sat down with my WM and my two sponsor and told that I had to cease my online poetry/blog site because I needed psychological help and that no one would "Love" me for what I believe.

So I stopped and eventually deleted it, got help while I was in college twice a month with a councillor, pushed them for answers I was searching for, They would not comply after persisting for three months.

I eventually ended up in the hospital for a month on my own accord for the things I believe, after a month and a couple medications that did not help, I was discharged with an over active imagination. Yet those in this society shared most of the sentiment of what I believed with various discussions of history. Topics include Knights Templar, Ancient Sumerian, Mesopotamia, King Solomon.

Things not considered common knowledge today.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:54 PM
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Just a couple of points. I am not really dealing with your OP, although another poster said it well with the reference to Herzl's pamphlet published in the late 19th Century. I just wanted to correct a few of the things you have said.

First, the S&B wasn't formed on Nazi sympathy or whatever, it was formed almost a 100 years before the National Socialist Party was created, in the early 1830's by William H Russell.

Also, there isn't a need for a man to be married nor have family ties to Freemasonry. I am a Freemason with no connections to the Fraternity before I joined and have never been married.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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Everyone;



Maybe I'm naive or ill-informed, but I've never been able to make the connection of Zionism to sinister forces who want to take over the world.


YES! Hear hear! Me too!




Fair enough. I cant watch the videos right now, so I will have to come back to that later.


M'kays.




If the bilderberg interests you to this extent, I highly recommend researching the CFR, Trilateral Commission, the G8, RAND, and a few others. I know its off topic, but I think they would probably REALLY interest you, not to mention the connection with the bilderbergers.


I haven't been able to look into Bilderberg, Triladeral and CFR as much as I've wanted to, because I've been on an Alex Jones thing lately (as you know, lol). But I will definitely take you up on that.




Nazi sympathy I could see, what with the amount of money many of the S&B families spent supporting hitler.I just dont think they are necessarily influenced, per se.


Sa'll good. I'll leave it to you to decide after ya watch the vids.




Now, look at this: Both have been considered zionists. both have been considered nazi sympathizers. Both have worked with republicans. Both have worked with democrats. Both have ties to the CFR. Both have ties to the Trilaterals. Both are rumored masons.


Veeery interesting. We may have found a connection. I will dig.





If the same people are pulling the strings of each group, what does that tell you?


I can agree with this.





I eventually ended up in the hospital for a month on my own accord for the things I believe, after a month and a couple medications that did not help, I was discharged with an over active imagination. Yet those in this society shared most of the sentiment of what I believed with various discussions of history. Topics include Knights Templar, Ancient Sumerian, Mesopotamia, King Solomon.




I'm sorry. So... is that how you drifted away from Freemasonry?



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by GAOTU789
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Just a couple of points. I am not really dealing with your OP, although another poster said it well with the reference to Herzl's pamphlet published in the late 19th Century. I just wanted to correct a few of the things you have said.

First, the S&B wasn't formed on Nazi sympathy or whatever, it was formed almost a 100 years before the National Socialist Party was created, in the early 1830's by William H Russell.

Also, there isn't a need for a man to be married nor have family ties to Freemasonry. I am a Freemason with no connections to the Fraternity before I joined and have never been married.


Sorry, still learning. Thanks for this info.

I guess it wasn't founded on Nazi sympathy, but there is evidence that they have influences of Nazi traditions in their rituals today.

And might I say, just for smartness points, I guessed you were a Freemason before reading your post, because your name is "GAOTU"


Great Architect Of The Universe = GAOTU.


EDIT: Also, are you sure qualifications for Freemasonry don't fall under family ties at all? My uncle told me this, and he is a Freemason. Are you sure the rules don't vary depending on the different Lodges?

I'm not questioning your logic, just wondering. There are two Freemasons telling me two different things here, just wondering which one is right.

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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:14 PM
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Thanks for the sympathy but please do not pity me. It was a great experience in the sense I could walk away with a medical diagnosis of an over active imagination.

It is however a catch 22, does the problem reside entirely within myself for thinking too much?

It does not matter entirely on what it is you find yourself believing in, when what you know relies on how you can prove it to be.

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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by whatzshaken
Thanks for the sympathy but please do not pity me. It was a great experience in the sense I could walk away with a medical diagnosis of an over active imagination.

It is however a catch 22, does the problem reside entirely within myself for thinking too much?

It does not matter entirely on what it is you find yourself believing in, when what you know relies on how you can prove it.



Oh no, its not pity, or sympathy. More empathy.

I've been through the whole "mental hospital" fiasco (during middle school, just for a week, but that was a really crappy time in my life. I was never crazy, but because I had a hard time dealing with absurdities going on, my family sent me to Penninsula for a week). I've been told I think too much, you're over reacting, etc etc.

I know how you feel, and I'm sorry society is so retarded.

But I empathize. I take their condemnation as a compliment too.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:33 PM
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Do you really believe you debunked it?

3/4 of your post was about different organizations.

And you seem to ignore the evidence...and just say it doesn't exist, as well as your source.

That's not debunking. Debunk means to say why the evidence is wrong.
You just pretended like it's not there.

That's not to say I believe in the conspiracy, but get real, Jews are in very important positions of the world.

There are also other facts I would just rather not discuss.
But don't pretend they aren't there because you haven't done your research thoroughly.
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375
Do you really believe you debunked it?

3/4 of your post was about different organizations.

And you seem to ignore the evidence...and just say it doesn't exist, as well as your source.

That's not debunking. Debunk means to say why the evidence is wrong.
You just pretended like it's not there.

That's not to say I believe in the conspiracy, but get real, Jews are in very important positions of the world.

There are also other facts I would just rather not discuss.
But don't pretend they aren't there because you haven't done your research thoroughly.
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I believe I've raised enough points to make a person question the Zionist conspiracy, at the very least.

The reason I mentioned the other organizations was because all of them are in question, from a conspirator's eye, and many believe them to have a hand in ruling the earth from behind the curtains.

I broke down their histories in a summary, and explained how none of them have Zionist connections.

I never once said Zionism didn't exist, in fact I've posted (more than once) the definition of the term.

Zionism, by definition, is a supporter of Israel. And Israel nationalist.

They are an existing extremist group, but there is little to no evidence that they have intentions of world domination, and their lack of relations with the other organizations only furthers the fact that the conspiracy is fluff and bunk.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 05:07 PM
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Jews are in very important positions of the world.


It doesn't necessarily mean that there's a Jewish conspiracy to take over the planet though, does it?

There does seem to be an overrepresentation of Jews in the world of finance, for instance.

There's a very straightforward explanation for this.

Jews in Europe have always been discriminated against and they were shunned from most professions, and thus found it very hard to make ends meet.

Then in the early Middle Ages, the Catholic Church forbade the practise of usury (lending money for profit) for all Christians; but the Jews were allowed to practise this, as they were not Christian.

So suddenly, over night almost, the Jews became the principle money-lenders of Europe...and proceeded to get fabulously wealthy, as many of them are today.

But, you know, anyone can become wealthy and powerful in the right circumstances, and many - perhaps most - of the chief movers and shakers on the planet are non Jews.

So where does that leave the theory?



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 05:12 PM
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They are an existing extremist group, but there is little to no evidence that they have intentions of world domination, and their lack of relations with the other organizations only furthers the fact that the conspiracy is fluff and bunk.


I would say it is rather difficult to link politics to religion to NWO/ZIONIST agenda because of the shear scope that it entails. You are asking people to believe in a world wide cover up by these "elite" few who have been pinpointed by their bloodline that has been enlisted by and predates recorded history.

Our responsibility is to sifter through all that information to confer logic with reason and create a reality based on our perception.

That is why this is an information war where you are asked to deny ignorance. Suspend you belief structure. Do not lose it, because you need it, to be who you are, it just needs to be altered.

By insinuating humanity knows for a certain fact all, that has transpired in our history and is made aware of such, is nothing but common knowledge, can only reflect on how the discovery of the Rosetta stone and how it changed humanities understanding.

In no means am I trying to digress but the significance of historical artifacts plays an integral part in Humanities understand why we are who we are today and how it became as such.

Zionism is the push for the state/nation/people of Israel which has numerous links to religious texts and how Israel came about with Abraham.

Who told Abraham?

God.

So religious texts would be a good place to start.

If the Torah is the root source to the Bible and the Qur'an, where and what influenced the Torah? Kabbalah, Zohar, Bock of Enoch.

Might I suggest you start with the Book of Enoch and pay special attention to the watchers/fallen angels.
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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Zionism is just a polite way of saying "Jewish cabal".

There are different groups and individuals who make up the NWO, its not just Jews or Christians or Masons or Arabs etc.

As far as Jews or Zionists, the Rothschilds are at the very top above everyone else. The debt based monetary system is the biggest threat our world faces because it makes perpetual slaves out of the entire world's population.

Just ask the EU. They are now surrendering actual portions of their nations to repay "debt" printed out of thin air.






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