Why?: Former Black Panther Assata Shakur Added to FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorist List

reply to post by beezzer


I think if you're going to focus on the details of the case in order to justify the label terrorist, you might want to look up the facts of the case, including the testimonies at the trial.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

I think if you're going to focus on the details of the case in order to justify the label terrorist, you might want to look up the facts of the case, including the testimonies at the trial.

Um, don't you think the FBI did just that?

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

I think if you're going to focus on the details of the case in order to justify the label terrorist, you might want to look up the facts of the case, including the testimonies at the trial.

I'm sorry but you continue to perpetuate a lie! She is considered a terrorist not because of a shooting but because she is an escaped felon who is a known, admitteded member of a freaking terrorist organization!

Be honest! You'd like to gloss over her ties even though I've thrown them in your face five times! BLA was a terrorist organization.

I think, if we assume she did it, she absolutely belongs on the 10 Most Wanted and should have been there much sooner.

Having said that? I also don't believe she is a terrorist by the definition of that crime. If guilty, she's a detestable criminal, guilty of one of the most serious offenses our society has defined.

You're absolutely right that Bin Laden was on the list and I don't believe HE belonged on it. I'd have no problem seeing a "Top 10 terrorist list" if they so desire, but the FBI Top 10 was designed to be the worst of the worst for American criminals who pose ongoing threat to the United States population by their very lack of capture. Criminals...not terrorists. What criminal should have held Bin Laden's spot so they could be recognizable on every Post Office and other bulletin board in the nation?

Did we need Bin Laden on that one for people to recognize him? Naww... It's not like anyone was likely to just bump into him at the local burger king, offering fries with an order.

They are blurring the lines irrevocably between criminal and terrorist and this can only get worse for bad places to end up, IMO.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

I think if you're going to focus on the details of the case in order to justify the label terrorist, you might want to look up the facts of the case, including the testimonies at the trial.

A case?

In May 1973 Shakur was involved in a shootout on the New Jersey Turnpike, during which New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster and BLA member Zayd Malik Shakur were killed and Shakur and Trooper James Harper were wounded.[5] Between 1973 and 1977, Shakur was indicted in relation to six other alleged criminal incidents—charged with murder, attempted murder, armed robbery, bank robbery, and kidnapping—resulting in three acquittals and three dismissals. In 1977, she was convicted of the first-degree murder of Foerster and of seven other felonies related to the shootout.[6]

Shakur was then incarcerated in several prisons. She escaped from prison in 1979 and has been living in Cuba in political asylum since 1984. Since May 2, 2005, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has classified her as a domestic terrorist and offered a $1 million reward for assistance in her capture. On May 2, 2013, the FBI added her to the Most Wanted Terrorist list and increased the reward for her capture to $2 million.[7]

en.wikipedia.org...

That was about more than 'a case'.

reply to post by seabag


please how many people have ever heard of the bla let alone seen any terrorist activity from them? how about the KKK the biggest terrorist group the U.S has ever seen i wonder how many have ever been on the F.B.I most wanted terrorist list and still commit more acts of terror than any radical islamic group

reply to post by PharaohSmiff

please how many people have ever heard of the bla let alone seen any terrorist activity from them?

There is no statute of limitation on terrorism or murder.

how about the KKK the biggest terrorist group the U.S has ever seen i wonder how many have ever been on the F.B.I most wanted terrorist list and still commit more acts of terror than any radical islamic group

Really? Provide some examples from this century! Is there anyone alive to prosecute?

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I sincerely do hope Assata is in good refuge or care. She needs to get away from this racist diabolical regime and I am sure that she has. She will be killed just like her god son Tupac Shakur, killed just like Malcom X, just like Martin Luther King Jr. and among the thousands who were wrongly prosecuted. The black man suffers a lot in this country. God bless that woman. Killuminati.

reply to post by Kali74


There is no conspiracy here, the OP is beyond ridiculous.
The Op is misleading, the least being associating The Black Panthers with other splinter groups.

Firstly, The Black Panthers themselves have denounced splinter groups, exposing them for
what they really are, political harbors for criminals, and terrorists.

The "The New Black Panther Party" is not to be confused with The Black Panthers, and therefore there is no reason to bring Cointelpro into the discussion.

In response from numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.

Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner.

Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.
www.blackpanther.org...

Furthermore, the BLA did not have
the backing of the leaders of the Black Panthers. The BLA was another splinter group,
and was/is nothing more than a Domestic Terrorist organization.

Joanne Chesimard was her name before she took on "Shakur".
www.nytimes.com...

Chesimard, aka Shakur got her start with politically motivated crimes, and in doing so
she associated with ciminals, killers, and terrorists. Her companions, admitted
killers were the ones who worked to break her from jail after her conviction for murder
of a State Trooper.

An admitted killer testified yesterday that he and two defendants had helped carry out the dramatic prison escape of Joanne Chesimard, a Black Liberation Army leader, in 1979.

The witness, Tyrone Rison, testified in the current Brink's trial of the two defendants, Mutulu Shakur and Marilyn Buck, in Federal District Court in Manhattan. Mr. Rison said they were part of a revolutionary group that committed armored-car robberies.

A prosecutor, Kerri Martin, asked why the group had decided to arrange Ms. Chesimard's escape.

''We felt that just robbing Brink's trucks or guards or banks wasn't totally what we were about,'' Mr. Rison replied. ''It was time to do something that was totally political.'' Living in Cuba

www.nytimes.com...

There is no real conspiracy here when one looks at the facts.

reply to post by burntheships


There's every reason to bring COINTELPRO into it. Though the program officially closed we see FBI infiltration of groups even today. I never once said that the BLA didn't do the things they're accused of, some cases seem pretty clear cut, others... seeing what the FBI did and does, I have doubts.

In particular after reading about Assata Shakur's case and how she was targeted, I don't think she should be placed on the most wanted terrorist list. I think a person should be prosecuted based on the crimes they're accused of not just guilt by association and I say that about all labeled terrorist groups. And why after 40 years?

As I've said the main reason for posting this thread is because I'm worried about the expanding definition of terrorist and perhaps more appropriately the expanding exclusions to US Law that the label terrorist affords the US Government.

I think Shakur is perfectly safe where she is, in Cuba, and though I did include her case and my thoughts on her case, that isn't the purpose of the thread. I think all politically active groups should be wary of FBI infiltration and the average American shouldn't be so quick to accept the application of the word terrorist. Assata Shakur's case, to me, is a perfect example of what can go wrong with the Patriot Act, the NDAA, the War on Terror and a completely out of control authoritarian government.

reply to post by Krazysh0t

Kali, I stand with you. I am completely against the Patriot Act and NDAA. If this woman is guilty of a crime then she should stand trial and be convicted by a jury of her peers.

Fashionably late to the party. She was already convicted and serving a term in a maximum security prison. With the help of her friends, she escaped and fled to Cuba. Apparently the BLA is Socialist and anti Capitalist so Cuba is a logical place to run.

www.thesun.co.uk...

I have to say your Democracy Now site has a gal talking about the Weatherman Underground as if it was a non-violent peaceful revolution.

It is transparent to me that the site is defending anyone who is or was associated with a radical violent revolutionary group...and why would they do that?


Carnegie, Ford, Soros...

Look on the bright side Kali...now feminists have a victory of having the first woman terrorist to make the most wanted list on a par with men.
Seriously though, she apparently has promoted more violent revolutionary stuff while in Cuba

In Cuba, Chesimard has continued to espouse her anti-U.S. views in speeches advocating "revolution and terrorism" and may have connections to other international terrorist organizations, Ford said.

abclocal.go.com.../local/new_jersey&id=9087796

Webster's dictionary defines terrorist as 1. One who governs by terrorism or intimidation; specifically, an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
2. One who commits terrorism[2].
I remember when 911 happened and they created the war on terror. I told my ex that after they finished with the middle east they would then turn their efforts on inner city gangs. Because after all gangs terrorize people all the time. I guess we will see how all of this plays out.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


The fact that they discuss things without knee jerking and buzzwords doesn't equal approval and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by Kali74

 

What an awesome thread.

Now she is a terrorist. She had to flee her own country because of being targeted and accused of some bs.

Stories like this make my blood boil.

Where is the justice??

You live in the US, there is no justice for noone unless you have a bag of billions in your bankaccount.

reply to post by Kali74


OP asks Why?
For a good analysis of the Joanne Chesimard (aka Assata Shakur and Godmother to Tupac Shakur) situation and how it relates to Communist infiltration @ the Obama White House please read -

How Obama Obstructs Justice in the Search for a Communist Terrorist
Cliff Kincaid — May 3, 2013


Read more: How Obama Obstructs Justice in the Search for a Communist Terrorist www.usasurvival.org...

OPENING PARAGRAPHS:

If the FBI wants to find Joanne Chesimard, who has just been added to the “Most Wanted Terrorists List,” it could begin by wiretapping President Obama’s friends, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, and other members of the Weather Underground. The Weather Underground helped Chesimard—a convicted cop-killer—escape from a New Jersey prison in 1979 and flee to Cuba.
Chesimard, also known as Assata Shakur, was involved in the “execution style” murder of New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster. The attack on Foerster in a gun battle also took the life of Chesimard’s associate, Zayd Shakur. Ayers and Dohrn named one of their children after Zayd Shakur, who now goes under the name of “Zayd Dohrn,” and is a playwright.
The doubling of the reward from $1 million to $2 million for information leading to her capture and return to New Jersey was made on the 40th anniversary of Foerster’s brutal murder.
However, Chesimard is still today being protected by a support network of “progressive” activists, lawyers and the Cuban government.
Alluding to terrorist support networks for Chesimard in the U.S, Aaron Ford, the special agent in charge of the FBI’s office in Newark, New Jersey, said, “We would be naïve to think there’s not some communication between her and some of those people she used to run around with today.”
Chesimard was a member of the Black Liberation Army (BLA), a group that worked with the Weather Underground. The Black Liberation Army was an outgrowth of the Black Panthers, a black militant group that described police officers as “Pigs” and called for their deaths.
Her escape to Cuba was not surprising. Former FBI informant Larry Grathwohl points out that the Weather Underground was a virtual project of the Cuban intelligence service, the DGI. His book, Bringing Down America, has been updated and republished.

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NOTE: Tupac Shakur's former bodyguard was just found murdered (aka suicided).

Tupac Shakur's Former Bodyguard Found Dead in Murrieta Home
At 5:24 p.m. Sunday, Murrieta police responded to a 911 call regarding a possible suicide that had just occurred on Shaw Lane, according to Murrieta police Lt. Tony Conrad.

Originally posted by PharaohSmiff
reply to post by seabag

 

please how many people have ever heard of the bla let alone seen any terrorist activity from them? how about the KKK the biggest terrorist group the U.S has ever seen i wonder how many have ever been on the F.B.I most wanted terrorist list and still commit more acts of terror than any radical islamic group

Not true. Last year Islamic Black groups committed more acts of terror(via hate crimes regardless if the PC police try to cover it up) then the almost non-existent KKK has in the last twenty years. You have to understand that CRT is a lie designed to destabilize society enough to allow homosexuals to weasel their way into society. They(the homosexual elite as most of TPTB are gay) know society is right at the point of no return and are inching it back while maintaining the pro-gay propaganda at increasing pace.

Look at President Obama, he has not done a thing to help African American's, unless it was done in a way to infuriate Caucasian Americans and offered no real help to the average African American. That in of itself is incredibly suspect and shows the picture of how TPTB intend to reseal the social bonds of society.