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Originally posted by MaMaa
In all my 38 years I have never come across anyone who could convince me why I need religion or Jesus. The entire thing is so completely nonsensical that I find it hard to believe, let alone accept on faith.
Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
Well I didn't mean to start an argument. I was truly curious as to whether or not I was - being sinful in my propensity to worry. I'd never heard anyone state such a thing before.
I can accept that worry holds back my spiritual growth. Lot's of things hold us back, just one more trait to add to the list of things I'm working on changing about myself.
But, now - I feel bad in continuing to ask about this particular statement. The whole, "Oh woe to me" victim bit. It's been insinuated, that asking such a question, and asking for further clarification - was done in a dubious manner. That offends me. No I'm not Christian - I don't go to church, but I've faith in Christ and Christ's message. So being without the benefit of a priest or preacher, I enjoy learning from Christian's in forum talk and debate. You won't get me into organized religion - I was taught by my grandfather (catholic) and my mother (pagan) it was one of the devil's greatest tricks - tricking man to use God's word to inspire fear, control and separation - which has led to countless, continuous wars and billions of deaths over 2000 years. So I learn of it from the outside looking in, as I was taught. I still have not learned anything - that counters what they told me about organized religion. My grandfather and mother. But I still want to learn about Christ and god from the Christian perspective - without the "your not a believer or subscriber - go away!"
What I'm left with - more times than not - is further confusion and a distinct feeling - I'm not welcome. Simply because I choose to be solitary in my faith, rather than part of a congregation.
I asked for some evidence that the Zeus myth was anything like Jesus' story, and that the Bible was significantly changed Messiah's name, or anything was changed, for that matter. I'm still waiting for your answer, I'm sure it will be interesting.
hope you know everytime you say jesus you're referring to zeus aka satan. Maybe you should do some research on the bible you read as well as what the messiahs true name is and why it was changed. You'll notice big differences as to what your edited book tells you.
Are we thinking of the same Crusades? Scholars say that between 1 and 9 million were killed and at least half were Christians. The wars were primarily about getting Jerusalem back. And what "True Scriptures" are you talking about? The Koran?
Look up what the catholics did during the Great Crusades, How they changed the christian or should i say its ancient name Messianic scriptures. and how they killed millions who still remembered the true scriptures.
If you're talking about the Inquisitions, you are not even remotely, slightly, near accurate. A much better guess is 10,000 or less.
After the crusades the catholics tortured and killed hundreds of thousands(Africans, Europeans and even Asians) into submission to believe in their lies.
And stop being so damn ignorant. Ignorance ISN'T Bliss its the number 1 enemy.
I don't know what this means. Are you proposing becoming a spirit? I'm not.
We must discard the first so that we may adopt the second.
As much as I admire your brevity, I must admit that I find it more than a bit cryptic. Are you saying that you disagree with one of my statements? If so, tell me which one. I could easily be wrong and would enjoy learning the truth.
scholars? 2 words. Independent Study.
Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by MaMaa
reply to post by Thundersmurf
I speak in spirit for those who are spiritual people. Spiritual people understand my words no matter what race or religion.
But all people have religion whether you believe it or not. You may have the cult of your daily life, of your strongest passions. I am trying to strip myself of those because it is like having a piece of lettuce on a pb&j. I don't want that.