Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by 727Sky
Until religions stop convincing their flocks that they are right and everyone else is wrong and lower than dogs
AS long as we use logic , logic says who is wrong and who is right. That was about right and wrong argument.
But about knowing others lower than dog , I agree that no one has the right to do that.
And Muslims don't want to kill every body.
At least , none-Wahhabi Muslims have some principles.
But Wahhabi are the same people who your govt has been supporting for so long.
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Our government has supported two bit dictators, Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood and anyone else that will do their bidding. Those decission are made
behind closed doors and if a citizen tries to shed light on what's going on they end up in jail or dead.
And Muslims don't want to kill every body.
I agree with you. The majority want to live and raise a family like most humans. However with 1.2 billion claiming to be the faithful what percent, 1
or 5%? seem to be following the three steps laid down many years ago? The three steps were discussed once upon a time long long ago in the military
war college. It was not a derogatory dissertation but was used as an example of how a small band of believes and fighters can finally win the day. I
have not seen where the 3 steps are not being followed even today.
STAGE ONE—When Muslims are completely outnumbered and can’t possibly win a physical confrontation with unbelievers, they are to live in peace with
non-Muslims and preach a message of tolerance. We see an example of this stage when Muhammad and his followers were a persecuted minority in Mecca.
Since the Muslims were entirely outnumbered, the revelations Muhammad received during this stage (e.g. “You shall have your religion and I shall
have my religion”) called for religious tolerance and proclaimed a future punishment (rather than a worldly punishment) for unbelievers.
STAGE TWO—When there are enough Muslims and resources to defend the Islamic community, Muslims are called to engage in defensive Jihad. Thus, when
Muhammad had formed alliances with various groups outside Mecca and the Muslim community had become large enough to begin fighting, Muhammad received
STAGE THREE—When Muslims establish a majority and achieve political power in an area, they are commanded to engage in offensive Jihad. Hence, once
Mecca and Arabia were under Muhammad’s control, he received the call the fight all unbelievers. In Surah 9:29, we read:
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge
the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Notice that this verse doesn’t order Muslims to fight oppressors, but to fight those who do not believe in Islam (including the “People of the
Book”—Jews and Christians). Not surprisingly, we find similar commands in Islam’s most trusted collections of ahadith (traditions containing
Sahih al-Bukhari 6924—Muhammad said: “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be
worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”
Sahih Muslim 30— “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 6924— “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah),
and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”
Ibn Kathir sums up Stage Three as follows: “Therefore all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do so, or
refuses to pay the Jizyah, they should be fought till they are killed.”
I have not lived in Iran and passed up a contract many years ago to help train your military. The only Iranians I personally have known left Iran to
keep from being jailed, torchered, and killed. Maybe my opinion is jaded just a tad bit after listening to their stories.
There seems to always be a reason some government or religion needs to kill someone, no?
I have lived in Saudi Arabia and flown all over the mid-east to such garden spots as Egypt, Yemen, and Oman. and I have even been to Mecca many times;
well the airport which should count for something?
You seem like a kind person who truly believes your religion is one of peace. I got no problem with that or any other religion until the shooting
starts or the bombs go off. Then all the platitudes and words stop having meaning and it gets personal real quick.
Peace be with you and your life always.
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