I freakin love this gun billboard (features Native Americans)

reply to post by muse7

Oh you mean the same gun buyback programs that have been going on for decades across thousands of communities? Which is not mandatory and provides a good way of disposing of guns.

For crying out loud those people dumb enough to trade their $1000 gun for 50 bucks are not the people anyone has to worry about.

Criminals don't give up their guns.

We have companies advertising bullet-proof backpacks for children so they can wear to school....

And the point is?

Probably sell a lot of them in the most violent cities in the country like Chicago that have the most heavy handed GUN CONTROL LAWS there is.

Lot of good they do.

And yes I am pro-background check

Horaahhhh for guilty until proven innocent.

Pro-only letting law abiding citizens be able to buy guns

Funny that piece of paper says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" must be nice to think that you get to pick and choose what Amercians have the right to keep and bear arms.

The reality is quite different which is gun control laws do nothing to keep the hands out of criminals.

And pro-closing any loopholes that enable criminals to bypass a background check in order to buy a gun.

So what part of criminials don't give a crap about gun laws do some people miss?

On topic:

Gun owners and the native American have a lot in common:

Both have been put on a government reservation and even 200+ years later really don't think to much of them.

Haho - I Greet You
Awesome post and I too am a full blooded Native and I approve this message(had to say that) and keep it going!

Originally posted by muse7
Pointless billboard as no one is even asking anyone to turn in their guns.

And yes I am pro-background check
Pro-only letting law abiding citizens be able to buy guns
And pro-closing any loopholes that enable criminals to bypass a background check in order to buy a gun.

edit on 4/30/2013 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

Except there are not any "loopholes" that permit criminals to bypass a background check. Do you think that a criminal would stop what is already a felonious transfer just because there is a background check requirement? This only targets law abiding citizens.

Mr. Rezlooper, I am a journalist for an indie magazine based out of Greeley, Colorado, where this billboard was put up, and I am sick of seeing the one-sided media representation on this matter. Would you be willing to to speak with me via a private medium on the record for an article? Your statements will be seen for an entire month in a print magazine as well as online to the entire community here.

Thanks,
James

I seen on the news and on Reddit about a woman claiming to be offended by this billboard. Well I am here to say that I am at least 1/8 Cherokee and I approve of the message.

I approve because it is true. Look at how well the government took care of the native Americans. Yeah they sure had their best interest at heart

Anyone claiming to be offended by this is either failing to see the message, is mad about the truth in the message, or is just claiming to be offended just to do it. That woman can go suck eggs, she does not speak for all native American blood. If she does not like it she can look away.

Mind you I am not saying she does not have the right to voice her opinion, I am saying that she also has the right not to look at it. There is nothing in the Constitution about having the right to not be offended, grow thicker skin and move on there are bigger fights to fight.

Raist

I would like to get a smaller version of this to put on my car and maybe one in my yard.

I wonder where we could get something like that? Maybe the people who put the billboard up are on here or will come forward with smaller versions.

Raist

I don't see anything offensive about the billboard in and of itself. People should be reminded of what government is capable of. However I do find it hilarious that the typical person claiming there's popular support to make guns illegal are the same ones that scream they aren't responsible for history and how it's unfair to bring up the fact that our ancestors were the original illegal immigrants on this land when it comes to immigration debates, so it does smack of hypocrisy to me.

I don't deny that some elected officials are 'gun-grabbers' but closing a background check loophole doesn't meet that criteria IMO and I think a lot of the fear is unfounded but I think vigilance is more than justified.

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From a reality standpoint- you dont think that most would agree ?

I think they would.

Since when HASNT the Govt tried to strip people away of their liberties?

reply to post by Raist

This signboard was put up in bad taste and thoughtlessly done without any further thought on the side repercussions that it will bring.

What happened 200 years ago had been buried and laid to rest, and americans had moved on and american society had grew successful except those whom prefers to live on handouts and crime than on honest labour.

The gun control legislation is far more bigger than ancient issues attempted to raise or insidiously sparked by the insane few who cannot let go of the past and wants death and mayhem to happen. No need for any excuses so cut the 'I only seek peace' BS. The kind of 'peace' that those insane wants is everyone else dead, and most stupid of all, over a long dead ancient issue.

The democrats had divided the nation over this gun issue stupidly, when the People should be united as one to innovate and qualitify the economy productively to get out of the rut it felled into by the greedy. Americans DON't NEED the ANCIENT BS right now. There are FAR MORE important issues such as the ECONOMY to take care of, for it is trade and economy that will uplift lives, not ancient revisionist history of expanding falsehoods while downsizing lies.

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What happened 200 years ago might be over with and most have moved on but should never be fully laid to rest least it be repeated. What good has the government done for the native Americans? While I do not let what happened run my life I certainly will never forget it. What about the Sand Creek Massacre, or Wounded Knee?

On December 28, 1890, Chief Spotted Elk of the Miniconjou Lakota nation and 350 of his followers were intercepted by a 7th Cavalry detachment under Major Samuel M. Whitside southwest of the badlands near Porcupine Butte. John Shangreau, a scout and interpreter who was half Sioux, advised that they not be disarmed immediately, as it would lead to violence. The troopers escorted the Lakota about five miles westward (8 km) to Wounded Knee Creek where they made camp. Later that evening, Col. James W. Forsyth and the rest of the 7th Cavalry arrived, bringing the number of troopers at Wounded Knee to 500.[15] In contrast, there were 350 Native Americans, of whom all but 120 were women and children. The troopers surrounded Spotted Elk's encampment and set up four rapid fire Hotchkiss-designed M1875 Mountain Guns.[16]

At daybreak on December 29, 1890, Col. Forsyth ordered the surrender of weapons and the immediate removal and transportation of the Indians from the "zone of military operations" to awaiting trains. A search of the camp confiscated 38 rifles and more rifles were taken as the soldiers searched the Indians. None of the old men were found to be armed. Yellow Bird harangued the young men who were becoming agitated by the search and the tension spread to the soldiers.[17]

en.wikipedia.org...

This billboard is nothing but truth. We are reminded of all sorts of things that have happened in history, but no one wants to be reminded of the native Americans. Why is that? Why do people get so offended when they are reminded about the slaughter of so many innocent people? The billboard is not in bad taste it reflects truth and history.

I do not speak for everyone only for myself. I like the message the sign sends. I agree with it and I do not think it is in bad taste. I feel I have enough Cherokee blood in me to openly speak this opinion without issue.


I agree there are other issues the government should be dealing with. For instance the mental health problems facing our nation since that is the root cause of all the violence occurring. The problem is not the guns but the mental health. No one of sound mind wants to go out and mass murder people.

That said though, there are also real issues for people to get offended by and this is not one of them.

Raist

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What happened 200 years ago might be over with and most have moved on but should never be fully laid to rest least it be repeated

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it after all the push to get Native American's off "their land" was for the "common good".

Far too many barbaric acts have been under the guise for the "common good".

Originally posted by Common Good
reply to post by redtic

 

From a reality standpoint- you dont think that most would agree ?

I think they would.

Since when HASNT the Govt tried to strip people away of their liberties?

Most would agree on what - that the government wants to take "our" guns? No, I don't think they would agree - because they don't. But if "we" keep killing each other with them, who knows - but that would be "our" problem, then, wouldn't it?

Originally posted by muse7
Pointless billboard as no one is even asking anyone to turn in their guns.

And yes I am pro-background check
Pro-only letting law abiding citizens be able to buy guns
And pro-closing any loopholes that enable criminals to bypass a background check in order to buy a gun.

edit on 4/30/2013 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

I personally don't see it as pointless at all. I respect your opinion, mine is not the same. I also oppose any restriction on gun ownership, since the supreme law of the land says 'the people' have the right to keep and bear arms and that right 'shall not be infringed'. If we write laws that say criminal activity results in a sentence of X number of years of non-ownership of firearems, that's fine, but when that sentence is complete, then we go back to no restrictions. That's not what's happening now. And who gets to decide what things found in a background check are show-stoppers for firearms ownership? That's where the problem with background checks lies. I know of no loopholes in background checks, only restrictions on ownership (unconstitutional).

The billboard is meant to emphasize the results of gun confiscations, of which there are innumerable arms of the law now that are doing that. Face it, the inhabitants of this continent got screwed, and trusting somebody enough to hand their arms over only got them screwed worse.

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"Most would agree on what - that the government wants to take "our" guns? No, I don't think they would agree - because they don't."


We have the second amendment to protect us from such. Its always and will always be the goal of govt to strip people away of their own protection. Thats why it is there, because govt WILL TRY.

They use fear,tragedy and emotion in order to get people to comply with their agenda.

Gun confiscation is not that far off from reality given the past actions of corrupt govt.

Obama is the gun salesman of the past 4 years by stating his stance on guns. Of course people
think govt is going to try and pull some bs on them.

S&F for you!

Southern Cheyenne/Osage here and there's not one thing offensive about that billboard. Some people, whether they are pro or anti gun, just don't like indisputable truth put into the public's face. The message and the truth of that billboard cannot be denied.

Not to stray off topic, but I can't wait to see how all the folks who supported it and clamored for it are going to like the nationwide 'Indian Health Services' they're gonna get next year. THAT should be a real wake-up call, too!

Don't get me wrong here. I like the thread, and LOVE the billboard. And in the big scheme of things I feel bad about what happened to the American Indian tribes, not only specifically in the US, but also down into South America. You all decend from the same place, and the same thing happened to all of you........almost makes you think it was destiny, but that's another conversation that I'd love to have. I don't understand why so many of you guys were wiped out. It seems sensless, so I feel bad in that way. (though I do notice none of you really trying to reclaim your former glory in a time when everyone would support such an effort)

All that said though, every time I read or hear it, I get more and more annoyed at the term "Native American". And I get MORE annoyed when it's actually a "Native American" saying it. And you OP say it over and over again. Why does it make me more annoyed when an American Indian say it over some white guy saying it? Because we aren't American Indians. We're ignorant, most of us just say what we're told is the right thing to say to not offend anyone. American Indians though......or "Native" Americans as they are called by everyone these days......all claim to care so much about their heritage, and even more so their HISTORY. You know, as well as I know that American Indians MIGRATED to the North AMerican continent early this past ice age when sea levels were low, over the Berring Straight land bridge into Alaska. You worked your way south and east from there over the course of some 10-20 thousand years or so......becoming all the various tribes of North America, as well as probably the Mayans and Aztecs and maybe even quite a few of the Islanders such as the Samoans.

So you and everyone KNOWS you're no more "Native" to this land than Ahmed Abdula, Tyrone Shulaces or me Wilfred McWhitey. Just because you were here longer doesn't make you Native, right? Why such a strong insistance to call yourselves "Native" when you aren't? Are you purposely lying just to try and make people feel bad? Or are you and so many other American Indians who continually put emphesis on "Native" when you say it really just kinda ignorant of your own history and are indeed convinced you're really native to this land?

If anything you're natives of Asia.

Sorry if it sounds insensitive or whatever. I'm not a PC guy. JIt's just as a person who actually pays attention to history, it really goes up sideways when a people who claim to care so much about their history are so insistant on twisting it with the word "native".

Muse7, you can't stop criminals from getting guns. Look at mexico, where only cops and criminals have guns, and the criminals get their guns from our criminal ATF.

I grew up in a crime ridden area in California and just about everyone I knew had and carried guns and NONE of them ever got a background check to get it. I even had someone try to sell me a fully automatic mac 10 for 50 bucks because "it was hot (as in recently used, not stolen) and he didn't wanna get caught with it". Criminals will never have problems finding firearms, and that being said, how hard do you want to make it on law abiding citizens to get one?

Also, I don't agree with the whole "criminals shouldn't be allowed to have guns" idea. I think if you're a non-violent offender who has served your sentence you should have your rights returned to you. You shouldn't be discriminated against your whole life just because of one mistake.

People do seem to forget that this government already has one genocide under its belt. Its not at all ridiculous to think they would commit another.

Great ad. S&F for bringing it forward.

Rezlooper, I am a white American. My wife, white also, was employed as a Legal Counsel at the Swinomish Indian tribe out in La Conner, WA for a few years and then worked at a Seattle Law Firm representing tribes. She is now a professor of law and teaches Native American Law (yes, different from Federal Indian Law) . Anyhow, she has a written a paper about Indians and how the US Courts still use language that views Native Americans as "Savages" .

If you or anyone else is interested in reading some legal stuff, wade through this:
'Hostile Indian Tribes...Outlaws, Wolves,...Bears...Grizzlies and Things like That?' How the Second Amendment and Supreme Court Precedent Target Tribal Self-Defense

Just wanted you to know about it.

I saw the billboard earlier today. I liked it then. I've read all the posts here. I still like it.

I have a funny feeling mafia, cartel, gestapo, drug dealers, murderers, rapists, terrorists, mother rapers, father rapers, stabbers, thieves, crack addicts, evil white boys, evil christians, evil muslims, hateful malcontents, jealous women, hired killers, psycho adults, whacked out teens, medicated zombies and any and/or all others who wish to create havoc, mayhem, and death, simply will not proceed to their local gun shop to purchase the weapon with which to kill and complete the required ffl background check