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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
 


I can agree to the dumbing down of the population. Schools don't encourage achievement anymore. They encourage group-think and social conformity.


Actually, I agree with this. We teach to the standardized achievement tests. Why? Because our jobs depend on whether or not those students can pass that test.

Never mind that the test has practically no bearing on the real world, nor is it an accurate measure of what a child knows and can do.

Its a disgrace. I'm about fed up with public education. I think its time for a career change.




posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 07:34 AM
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Interesting information I came across just now, thought it could be relevant:


The Stasi perfected the technique of psychological harassment of perceived enemies known as Zersetzung – a term borrowed from chemistry which literally means "corrosion" or "undermining".

By the 1970s, the Stasi had decided that methods of overt persecution which had been employed up to that time, such as arrest and torture, were too crude and obvious. It was realised that psychological harassment was far less likely to be recognised for what it was, so its victims, and their supporters, were less likely to be provoked into active resistance, given that they would often not be aware of the source of their problems, or even its exact nature. Zersetzung was designed to side-track and "switch off" perceived enemies so that they would lose the will to continue any "inappropriate" activities.

Tactics employed under Zersetzung generally involved the disruption of the victim’s private or family life. This often included breaking into homes and messing with the contents – moving furniture, altering the timing of an alarm, removing pictures from walls or replacing one variety of tea with another. Other practices included smear campaigns, denunciation, provocation, psychological warfare, psychological subversion, wiretapping, bugging, mysterious phone calls or unnecessary deliveries, even including sending a vibrator to a target's wife. Usually victims had no idea the Stasi were responsible. Many thought they were losing their minds, and mental breakdowns and suicide could result.

One great advantage of the harassment perpetrated under Zersetzung was that its subtle nature meant that it was able to be denied. That was important given that the GDR was trying to improve its international standing during the 1970s and 80s.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 07:41 AM
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At least in my country, yes, I chose to marry the person I wanted to marry.
There was in fact a little bit of resistance from parts of my family in the beginning of our relationship. I didn't mind nor care. I do what I please.


That's all very well and good... but do the majority have the same independence from influence that you seem to posses?


That would however suggest that this "control" applies to people of lesser intelligence and therefore is of no use to in the grand master plan you described.


You are not thinking outside the box...

What if the masses were influenced to attack intelligent people? Treat them poorly? Exclude them from social circles? Mistrust them? Harass them? Etcetera?


I've been shaped by my genes, parents, environment and experiences


Yes... Media manipulation can be a powerful tool for behavioural control of a large group of people.


Yes, I am in fact one of the secret NWO-guys covering up this sensitive matter.


I KNEW IT!!!



How was any disagreement with what you said the cause of my intelligence being on a specific level?


Because you claimed that your "Dismissiveness" of my argument was because you were intelligent.


Out in the real world, however, intelligent people do all kinds of cool stuff, such as bring you the latest technology, as well as telling you when you're talking complete nonsense.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There ya go...



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 07:44 AM
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IQ tests don't truly measure intelligence, they measure intelligence within a defined field. If you believe as the creators of the tests do, you will have an interest in the stuff they have and will train your mind to think as they do. I scored exceptionally high in Mechanical aptitude on all my tests of intelligence. It was because I liked to think a certain way. It is the desire to learn that makes you learn, what you desire to learn is based on what you think is important. I scored exceptionally high on these tests yet I never considered myself smarter than others because the knowledge they had had more practical applications than mine. I sort of had an inferiority complex, what place does the ability to be able to multiply four digit numbers X four digit numbers in seconds in your mind have to do with being a good carpenter, firefighter, or farmer, the people that I felt were important in the world. Why would the ability to see energy currents forming in my mind make me better than a mother taking care and teaching her young. I saw higher intelligence as a curse. I wanted to be normal like other people, learning what is really important in this world.

Just because you score high on an IQ test doesn't mean you have to hang around with a certain group of people and have similar interests to them. My ability was to get along with everyone I met, learning from them quickly and helping them to do their work a little easier after I learned it. I always liked working and wasn't that interested in getting rich, there is more to life than money and trying to fit in a place where you do not belong in the first place. So I never got to be a doctor, even though I was overqualified for that trade, it doesn't mean I quit learning about medicine. I still read every article I could find throughout the years on medicine.

My best friends are of average intelligence. I wouldn't trade them for a million dollars. I wouldn't trade them for friends that belong to MENSA, although I still still desire new friends that are smart as long as they don't use their intellect to belittle others that are not that smart. My friends may be a little irrational sometimes and like to have a few beers but they are loyal friends as I am to them. I would rather hang around with the common people than be a rocket scientist.

So here is something interesting about these intelligence organizations. They all want people that will follow the leader, desiring to follow in a set path. This way the group becomes an entity that reinforces their perception. Like I said, being intelligent makes you an outcast from society, it gives you a feeling of not belonging. Intelligence makes it so you cannot easily kick up your heals without overanalyzing things. Belonging to a group gives you confidence and a sense of belonging. Many people who are super intelligent have to abandon their friends they grew up with. Their interests and knowledge now make it hard to talk to their old friends, knowing that their new language confuses others. You never escape the prison of intelligence, you just learn to make friends in the prison with you. Birds of a feather flock together.

The super intelligent do not get along well with the intelligent either for some crazy reason. They see through the system and are hiding among us in the most unusual places in society.
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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 07:48 AM
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IQ tests don't truly measure intelligence


Yes they do.

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 07:59 AM
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Well my IQ is 143. In school I was separated from the other kids and put into a closet and paddled every morning. They sent me to a gifted school which was fun, but in the 6th grade they did away with the school and we had computer classes. When it became apparent I was becoming a hacker they took away the computers from me and banned me from them for life.

They did everything they could to desocialise me at an early age. I became an outcast, a freak. They took all of that potential and shunted it away from anything productive. My life has been hell ever since.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:07 AM
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They did everything they could to desocialise me at an early age.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by rickymouse
 



IQ tests don't truly measure intelligence


Yes they do.

en.wikipedia.org...
edit on 30-4-2013 by ErtaiNaGia because: (no reason given)


No, they don't.

IQ tests measure potential in a certain area and that is all. There's no IQ test for many things, such as the creative arts, literature, etc.

I have a "high" IQ. It doesn't mean anything, except that I might be better at some things than others. That's it.

Don't let a number define your intelligence. There are flaws with the tests.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
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IQ tests don't truly measure intelligence


Yes they do.

en.wikipedia.org...
edit on 30-4-2013 by ErtaiNaGia because: (no reason given)


No, they don't.

IQ tests measure potential in a certain area and that is all. There's no IQ test for many things, such as the creative arts, literature, etc.

I have a "high" IQ. It doesn't mean anything, except that I might be better at some things than others. That's it.

Don't let a number define your intelligence. There are flaws with the tests.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:19 AM
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It's hard to DeBunk "Bunk".

With that being said, I can see that a couple of the responses here are supporting your "Theory".
However, you really have not presented and Decent Data to support your claim.

Besides, if this were really the case, don't you think that IQ Testing would be Mandatory. After All, wouldn't They ( Who ever the Hell that might be) want some Manageable Figures to work with?

In addition, for you to thrown in the statement "Is to acquire targeting information to use to weed intelligence out of the gene pool, so that humanity will become progressively dumber, and easier to "Manage/Control" by the Global Bankers", Is a COMPLETE CONTRADICTION IN TERMS.

By Basic Definition, "Bankers" are investors. They invest in things that make money. Eg. Ideas, Patents, Educations, and other things of that nature. AND, with this whole thread you are saying that they are Going to Cut Off Their Noses Despite Their Face.


Who the Hell in their right mind cuts off their Meal Ticket?

You might be a nice guy but I find your Post to be FOULED.

P.S. . .. I think you have seen to much of that movie, .. um,.. . Idiocracy., . Ya, That’s it. I say Pitch that DVD it’s time to MOVE INTO THE INFORMATION AGE”.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:22 AM
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IQ tests measure potential in a certain area and that is all.


Yes, that is correct.... That "Certain Area" is called INTELLIGENCE.


There's no IQ test for many things, such as the creative arts, literature, etc.


This is a specious argument, that belies your misunderstanding of the definition of intelligence.

Intelligence is not artistic creativity.... that is called artistic creativity.

Intelligence is not musical aptitude... that is called musical aptitude.

Intelligence is not Emotional Understanding.... that is called emotional understanding.

Intelligence is not social skill.... that is called social skill.


Intelligence is the ability to think critically, the speed at which you comprehend new knowledge, and apply it to situations.

You have unfortunately misunderstood the PURPOSE of intelligence tests.... as being something OTHER than testing for INTELLIGENCE.


Again... Musical aptitude and Artistic creativity are not INTELLIGENCE.



Intelligence: capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.


This is the definition of intelligence....

Why would you believe that a test which measures ones ability to learn, reason, understand, and similar forms of mental activity....

Doesn't actually measure ones ability to learn, reason, understand, and similar forms of mental ability.....


Because there are no Music or Artistic questions on the test?



What we are dealing with here, is a Semantic Failure to comprehend just WHAT intelligence *IS*, and instead thinking that Intelligence is anything we happen to have some skill at.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:23 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:27 AM
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It's hard to DeBunk "Bunk".


Very telling that your opening words are not an argument, but a Base Assertion Fallacy.


you really have not presented and Decent Data to support your claim.


That is not really the purpose of this thread....

I started this thread to start a discussion.


In addition, for you to thrown in the statement "Is to acquire targeting information to use to weed intelligence out of the gene pool, so that humanity will become progressively dumber, and easier to "Manage/Control" by the Global Bankers", Is a COMPLETE CONTRADICTION IN TERMS.

By Basic Definition, "Bankers" are investors. They invest in things that make money. Eg. Ideas, Patents, Educations, and other things of that nature. AND, with this whole thread you are saying that they are Going to Cut Off Their Noses Despite Their Face.


This is also a specious argument...

You are assuming that ones Job Title is their ultimate motive.

Like saying that a "Janitor"'s primary ambition in life is to make everything clean.


The Global bankers want a planet full of slaves.

This plan that I have outlined, would forward that goal.

As would being a Global Banker.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:43 AM
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There is nothing Baseless about that argument.

It is NOT the Nature of Bankers to Fund Investments and NOT make money from the deal.

Money is What they are All about.

So, Are you saying that they are willing to Forego the Profit in the Name of CONTROL?



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:46 AM
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So, Are you saying that they are willing to Forego the Profit in the Name of CONTROL?


Are you saying that having a planet full of slaves would not be profitable?

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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by rickymouse
 



IQ tests don't truly measure intelligence


Yes they do.

en.wikipedia.org...
edit on 30-4-2013 by ErtaiNaGia because: (no reason given)


Put the whole sentence I stated into the equation and it fits. "IQ tests don't truly measure intelligence, they measure intelligence within a defined field" Don't be taking half of the sentence. A farmer can be very good at what they do yet show low intellect in an IQ test. Some people are better at taking tests than others also, having more interest in showing their intelligence and feeling more relaxed and confident. These facts make the IQ test irrelevant sometimes. Five years later the person doing worse on the test can be a lot smarter than the person who excelled at it. Also, if a person has minor strokes, which people have all the time, it may severely reduce a persons intellect but they still have credentials saying they are smart. I have no faith in these tests to be a predictor of true intellect even though I did exceptionally well at them. Just because I was good at taking tests doesn't mean I am smarter than someone that does lousy at taking tests.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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ABSOLUTELY NOT.

The Upkeep to Manage and Maintain such a Debacle would be Extremely Economically Unfeasible.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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A farmer can be very good at what they do yet show low intellect in an IQ test.


That's because it's not a "How good of a farmer are you" test...

It's an intelligence test.


Some people are better at taking tests than others also


What's in my pocket?


These facts make the IQ test irrelevant sometimes.


And this statement is just plain false.


Also, if a person has minor strokes, which people have all the time, it may severely reduce a persons intellect but they still have credentials saying they are smart.


You just successfully defeated your own argument.


I have no faith in these tests to be a predictor of true intellect even though I did exceptionally well at them.


What is the difference between "Intelligence" and "True Intelligence"?

Is this anything like being a Scotsman, as opposed to a "True Scotsman"?


Just because I was good at taking tests doesn't mean I am smarter than someone that does lousy at taking tests.


it does when it is a test for intelligence.

Because "How smart you are" is what intelligence tests..... Test.
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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:53 AM
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Do you mean that if you pass an IQ test during a job interview, your employer will try to secretly poison you during the next coffee break?



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:56 AM
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Do you mean that if you pass an IQ test during a job interview, your employer will try to secretly poison you during the next coffee break?


en.wikipedia.org...





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