Active Theocrats: The New Apostolic Reformation and The Seven Mountain Domionists

reply to post by wildtimes

You folks might possibly be amazed by the book I'm reading right now.
The God Virus: How Religion Infects Our Lives and Our Culture

No thanks!

I’m a Christian….and a “right-winger!”

The constitution is quite clear about the influence of religion in government. The Establishment Clause of the 1st amendment is quite clear. I support the constitution, so this story is as alarming to me as it is to you even though we may be coming at it from two different sides.

reply to post by seabag

The New World Order agenda includes a one world religion, but it certainly doesn’t sound anything like The Seven Mountain Domionists.

Okay.
I'll check out your link. I think that these Seven-Mountain-Dominionists are trying to bring about the NWO

Perhaps not the way the Illuminati do, though, but in their own way. Starting here in the USA.

I'd be very happy to have proof that I am mistaken.....
but so far....
it seems obvious and overt. And it worries me.

Please, feel free to disabuse me of my misunderstanding.
If I'm wrong, I want to know.

the thing that makes this all mesh is the psychology of tyranny already present in the bible...there are a few doctrines that are preached that lend credence to this, such as "render unto caesar" and the pauline doctrine of obeying the government right or wrong because they are ordained by god...these are things the NWO is already playing off of, and has gotten to several of the clergy in their drive to prepare for civil unrest...so it is no surprise to me that they would attempt to use religion as a tool of control and fool many into supporting the NWO unawares...

it is already a part of agenda 21...

www.ksla.com...

the thing is these would be also used as an effective human shield that if opened fire upon would make any opposition lose the moral high ground, so it is also designed as a built in check mate...cause nobody decent would shoot a preacher or a religious group...

reply to post by wildtimes


it doesn't have to agree ideologically with the NWO on the surface, the reason they engineer it this way, is to gain the public trust and support, even monetarily, even in a scam sense, so they can then turn the public that trusted them over to the wolves...

reply to post by littled16


You forgot the vegans. They are the most religious bunch on the planet.

reply to post by seabag

“Religious-right” is the antithesis of the “New World Order” IMO.

With all due respect, seabag....

I think they are equivalent.... and in cahoots.....
I'm a Progressivist....aka a "secular humanist socialist commie" on ATS....

if these "Religious-right" get what they want, the whole world will be bowing and genuflecting and all that jazz.....without any choice.
I neither condone, nor agree, with that suggestion.

reply to post by seabag

No thanks!

I’m a Christian….and a “right-winger!”

The constitution is quite clear about the influence of religion in government. The Establishment Clause of the 1st amendment is quite clear. I support the constitution, so this story is as alarming to me as it is to you even though we may be coming at it from two different sides.

Okay, then!

I hear you.! Opposite as the sides may be, we both agree that "imposed" religion is NOT a thing that the USA can even consider.

What bugs me is the people who think they can overturn that.

reply to post by studythem1


Totally in agreement with your post there .

reply to post by seabag

The New World Order agenda includes a one world religion, but it certainly doesn’t sound anything like The Seven Mountain Domionists

Well, I think it does.
I know about Blavatsky and Theosophy. Thanks for pointing me toward another reference about her.

In my opinion, the 7-Mtn-Dominionists are a branch of the "NWO" agenda.

reply to post by wildtimes

In my opinion, the 7-Mtn-Dominionists are a branch of the "NWO" agenda.

The intent and method of the two are similar, for sure. However, there is one big difference that is hard for me to overlook...

…one promotes Christianity while the other group worships SATAN!!

I think they might disagree on a few issues!

reply to post by seabag

No thanks!

I’m a Christian….and a “right-winger!”

Yes, I'd gathered that, seabag, from reading your posts/threads.

But...
WHY would you refuse to read it?

Can you answer that honestly?
(Saying "It goes against everything I believe" is not a valid excuse.)
I genuinely want to understand your thinking, but if you can't hear the 'other side', then how can you address the issue at all?

reply to post by seabag

…one promotes Christianity while the other group worships SATAN!!

Oh my.
Really? You really believe that?

reply to post by seabag

The New World Order agenda includes a one world religion, but it certainly doesn’t sound anything like The Seven Mountain Domionists.

No. And that is why Seven Mautain Dominoists wont gain any momentum. It is to small and to late and have no authority. The World Goodwill of the Lucis Trust have already been chosen.

reply to post by wildtimes

In my opinion, the 7-Mtn-Dominionists are a branch of the "NWO" agenda.

No, they are not. The Roman Catholic Church is.

reply to post by seabag


that doesnt matter to them...to them it is only semantics, the key is deception...if they can fool a large chunk of people, then they do not have to be honest about what their real ideology is...secret societies are all based off of this principle...

reply to post by spy66

No. And that is why Seven Mautain Dominoists wont gain any momentum. It is to small and to late and have no authority. The World Goodwill of the Lucis Trust have already been chosen.

So, then, who are they?
Can you please provide some links and credible sources to show that the 7MDs are too small and too late?

It appears to me, at this angle on my learning curve, that we need to be speaking out about their agenda, but, if I can see evidence that they really are unimportant, I'd be glad of it.

reply to post by wildtimes


Yup, I've heard of and seen the NAR. They tend to make the usual babbling, hollering Pentecostals seem totally sane and timid by comparison.

One very dangerous thing about NAR (that is also true of many pentecostal groups). They tend to employ some very un-bliblical techniques and practices in the name of what they do - often ones that are quite pagan in origin.

Many NAR and Pentecostals seem to eschew the bible and operate more on God --> clergy --> congregation type belief system. Of course, this is ripe for manipulation and corruption as leaves the door wide open form someone to say "God told me most any hogwash they want to spew - and the congregation will believe it. That is a very dangerous thing.

This article has a pretty good write of orthodox Christianity vs NAR. To be honest, I'm not 100% NAR and the like are actually Christian. Sure, they claim to be - but if you put the bible up against what they say there is a world of difference.

New Apostles or Old Heresy? An Orthodox Perspective on the New Apostolic Reformation

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by spy66

 

No. And that is why Seven Mautain Dominoists wont gain any momentum. It is to small and to late and have no authority. The World Goodwill of the Lucis Trust have already been chosen.

So, then, who are they?
Can you please provide some links and credible sources to show that the 7MDs are too small and too late?

It appears to me, at this angle on my learning curve, that we need to be speaking out about their agenda, but, if I can see evidence that they really are unimportant, I'd be glad of it.

Sorry for taking such a long time needed some sleep.

Here are some information and links about Alice A Bailey:

Lucis Trust/World Goodwill. www.conspiracyarchive.com... en.wikipedia.org...

Alice Ann Bailey, a leading disciple of the Russian theosophist Madame Helena Blavatsky, formed the Lucifer Publising Company in 1920. 1922 saw the organization's name changed to Lucis Trust though the advancement of the Luciferian beliefs remained true. Beliefs that in Blavatsky's words: “oppose the materialism of science and every dogmatic theology, especially the Christian, which the Chiefs of the Society regard as particularly pernicious.”
Lucis Trust is a powerful institution that enjoys "Consultative Status" with the United Nations, which permits it to have a close working relationship with the U.N., including a seat on the weekly sessions, but most importantly, influence with powerful business and national leaders throughout the world.

The Will To Good From Lucis Trust Home page. Purposes & Objectives. www.lucistrust.org... /purposes_objectives

There are six recognitions that can provide a basis for realising these purposes and objectives:

One:
Humanity is not following a haphazard or uncharted course -- there is a Plan. This Plan has always existed and is part of the greater design of the Cosmos. The Plan has worked out through the evolutionary developments of the past and because of the special impetus given it from time to time by the great leaders, teachers and intuitives of the human race.

Two:
There is an inner spiritual government of the planet, known under such different names as the spiritual Hierarchy, the society of Illumined Minds, or Christ and his Church, according to various religious traditions. Humanity is never left without spiritual guidance or direction under the Plan.

Three:
The widespread expectation that we approach the "Age of Maitreya", as it is known in the East, when the World Teacher and present head of the spiritual Hierarchy, the Christ, will reappear among humanity to sound the keynote of the new age.

Four:
There are millions of mentally alert men and women in all parts of the world who are en rapport with the Plan and work to give it expression. They are people in whom the consciousness of humanity as one interdependent unit is alive and active. They regard the many differing national, religious and social systems in which they serve as modes of expanding human consciousness and ways by which humanity learns needed lessons. Their primary function is, through their living example, to give humanity a new and better vision of what life should be.

Five:
The heart of humanity is sound. Our era is notable for the growth of goodwill and altruistic endeavour. All the crises, wars and catastrophes of the twentieth century have been unable to crush the human spirit.

Six:
The Plan for humanity is based on the principles of sharing, cooperation, practical brotherhood, right relationships between all people and between nations, and goodwill in action.

These beliefs give a new dimension to spiritual reality and a long-range perspective to our present crises. They provide opportunity for cooperation with the spiritual evolution of humanity and increase our capacity for freedom.

There is no group so likely to ensure that humanity achieves this most difficult goal as the men and women of goodwill. Provided they can overcome inertia they are in a key position, requiring only courage to express goodwill and to initiate action to prepare for the new world order.

The Reappearance of the Christ. From the Lucis Home Page.

The coming world Teacher will be mainly concerned, not with the result of past error and inadequacy, but with the requirements of a new world order and with the reorganisation of the social structure.

This organisation is also trusted within the board of CFR. There are a lot of quots used. But that is going to take a long time to gather. The Lucis looks very harmless at first glans. But if you read into it, it becomes more interesting. The goal of the Lucis Trust is too educate people to bring down the importance of christianity to a equal level with all religion. So that it becomes possible to unite people into one common view and understanding. The main gaol is to unite people to embrace peace and a new world order. This is also supported by the Papal see. The Roman Catholic Church.
It is a stealthy organisation that uses time to its adavantage. That is why it is prefered before the 7 mountain agenda. The 7 mountain movment cought your attention and probably worried you. That is why it is not going to be used " This move has aleady been tried, people are still very aquainted with that history" The doctrine of the new world society is going to be formed under the banner of peace and a united religion.

Right now religion is being camoflashed by the political word democracy. Democracy have to be used to advocate free will and freedom within a society. But do you feel free?

reply to post by wildtimes


another interesting thread Wildtimes

My views about OP are mixed, i am in favour of theocracy but something thats true to its meaning. Not a pseudo-theocracy where men get all power and become invincible in the name of God.

reply to post by Frogs

from your linked article:

One fundamental premise for Protestantism is the belief that somewhere along the way the early Church left the apostolic teachings and became corrupt and worldly. This is known as the fall of the church theory. The problem with this theory is that no one has been able to pin point the time and place of this crucial transition. No serious church historian teaches the fall of the church. This view is largely held by those with limited theological education.

I've recently learned that many of the Pentecostal and Evangelical preachers DID get limited theological education.
It's been shown that atheists and agnostics and others have MORE KNOWLEDGE of the Bible than many of the preachers who are on stage in these mega-churches.

They work by using standard formulas of "entrancement" - could be also called "enchantment" or "bewitching", actually - using music of various styles, atmosphere, and buildings that are quickly constructed and easily left behind when their congregations get too big. They want the house packed - much more effective than a few people scattered among the seats - they preach sermons that teach both GUILT and HOPE, alternately.....
get the people hypnotized using the same techniques as any Illusionist would do -
they prey on people who want to feel good about themselves by giving money, while at the same time they reinforce the guilt and shame that those people harbor - and constantly remind them of it.

It's a scam - can be deconstructed and analyzed - the really talented ones tweak and orchestrate and choreograph the whole thing masterfully - and the people don't see it for what it is. They don't want to. If or when they finally do, they leave.

thanks for your link.