Boston Bombers Likely Motivated by Muslim Extremism

I would just like to point out that other mainstream medias in countries such as the U.K. and Russia have made extremely good cases for the two brothers involved in the Boston violence being motivated by Muslim extremism.

Even Russia notes that their actions are motivated by this, and hardly mentions anything about Chechnya.

BBC: LIVE: Boston Coverage

This quote below talks about how they are not motivated by Chechnya.

"We have previously expressed our condolences to the people of the city and the people of America... Any attempt to make the connection between Chechnya and the Tsarnaevs, if they are guilty, is in vain. They grew up in the US, their attitudes and beliefs were formed there. It is necessary to seek the roots of evil in America. We wish recovery to all the victims and share the feelings of sorrow."

Here are two quotes that talk about their possible religious ties.

Tsarnaev described himself as a "very religious" Muslim and said he no longer drank alcohol or smoked. He said he did not have a single American friend, because he did not understand them.

Here is a picture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev from his account on Vkontakte, a Russian Facebook-style social media service. The BBC's Daniel Sandford says the young man's account clearly shows he had some interest in Islamist-type ideologies and in the family's homeland of Chechnya, although he stresses this should not be over-emphasised.

I am not promoting an anti-Muslim agenda, I am just interested in presenting evidence for their motivations.

This quote not only shows that there is a difference between radical and non-radical Muslims, but that even their uncle thinks they were radicalized by someone.

1630: The suspects' uncle Ruslan Tsarni is speaking in Maryland. "We're Muslims, we're ethnic Chechens... somebody radicalised them." He says he has not seen the two in several years.

More evidence that this doesn't have to do with Chechnyan relations:

1535: Independent Moscow radio station Ekho Moskvy has a statement from Alvi Karimov, press secretary for the leader of the Chechen Republic. He told Interfax "the suspects in the Boston crimes have no relation to Chechnya". He says "according to preliminary information" the family moved "many years ago from Chechnya to another region of Russia". "Then for a long time they lived in Kazakhstan, and from there moved to the US, where family members obtained residency," Mr Karimov said. "So the persons concerned did not live in Chechnya as adults, and if they became 'bad apples' then it's a question of who was educating them."

Source: BBC

I just want to be clear about the facts here before it is distorted into something irrelevant. Russian Times has an even more detailed analysis of their background, but their website, www.rt.com, is down at the moment.

And so it begins...Americas bogeyman "Islamic extremism" is here again.

Just when the memory of big bad Bin Laden was dying, along comes another dose of extremism on American soil just to keep you all scared and to remind you all why you need officers in combats with M4's on your street and why it's better that guns arn't available freely.

reply to post by andy1972


Yeah, it totally came at a bad time. I thought this whole Muslim thing was behind us.

I thought I saw a thread around here somewhere that said they did this in reaction to american lead policies in chechnia?
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You know, muslim or not, America is a legitimate target of the world right now.

reply to post by andy1972


Your statement is incorrect, a lot of us aren't scared. My mother was in World Trade Center 2 during the attacks on 9/11. Our neighborhood in Brooklyn is a few blocks from the Muslim community. We don't check over our shoulders, we don't go out worrying about someone attacking us. These actions and attacks don't instill any fear, it instills anger into the people. When things like this happen, we come together regardless of color, religion, or even nationality as this is our home regardless of all of that. Someone has painted the wrong picture of an American to you. We're the type of people that rather seek revenge than sit in a corner in fear.

Originally posted by darkbake

Yeah, it totally came at a bad time. I thought this whole Muslim thing was behind us.

It is wrong to assume that all Muslims are extremists.

• Only 1 in 4 US Muslims aged 18-29, when polled, stated that suicide bombings of civilian targets in defense of Islam could be justified.

• Only 42% of French Muslims aged 18-29 and only 35% of British Muslims aged 18-29 polled agreed with suicide bombings of civilians in support of defending Islam.

Pew Research Poll (2007)

• Only a minority of 1 in 8 British Muslims polled supported demonstrators who call for the death of those who insult Islam

ICM Research

• Only 1 in 8 American Muslims polled believed that Muhammad's critics should face the death penalty.

Link

• Only 36% of 16-24 year old British Muslims believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death.

• Only 19% of 55+ year old Muslims polled believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death.

Link

Apart from those minorities, most Muslims don't want you executed for insulting Islam, nor killed for leaving Islam nor do the majority support suicide bombings.

Let them come if they wish. US is a free country and ruled by law to ensure civilisational progress and beacon for our world.

If DHS fails and they do heniously hurt americans, they and their masters will not have long to live. No matter what they do, they WILL NOT be able to kill ALL responsible freedom loving americans, nor will they make US bow or fear them at any time, thus their failures and forever be losers to be treated with utmost contempt for the animals that they are.

That which do not kill us, only makes us stronger and better.

We don't know what motivated them. We don't even know if it WAS them.

I am disheartened by the mindset that we have to figure out every detail about what happened here and why, when we don't have enough information to know if it was even them for sure.

I think it WAS these two guys, but to speculate about their reasons and whether or not they were "radicalized" and by whom seems to be jumping the gun. There's enough drama in the world without having to speculate and create more. Just my position.

reply to post by Danbones


That's why I put the information in there discrediting a Chechnyan motivation. The two problems I have about the thread you referenced are:

1. The motivation appears to be Islamic extremism first, with a possible connection to terrorist cells in Chechnya

2. Russia doesn't like Chechnya, either. So this would strengthen relations between the two countries.

reply to post by ollncasino


Thanks for that, great use of sources to back up your opinion. I didn't actually know those statistics before. Yeah, I didn't mean to sound like I was generalizing.

Originally posted by andy1972
And so it begins...Americas bogeyman "Islamic extremism" is here again.

No bogeyman issue here ... just the facts.
They posted blood soaked Al-qaeda 'prophecy' videos.
They were into extremist Feiz Mohammad and his war against Harry Potter.
etc etc

Muslim extremists exist and are dangerous.
That's not saying all Muslims are extremist and dangerous.
But the radicals DO exist and they ARE dangerous.

Ignoring that truth is just as dangerous as saying that all Muslims are killers.
Neither extreme is accurate or safe.

reply to post by darkbake


Revealed: Boston bomber shot dead by cops had a Muslim convert wife and a three-year-old daughter - but in last few months had sworn his life to Jihad

Although most of the clips in the channel are ordinary music videos, among the songs was one called 'I will dedicate my life to Jihad'

It could of course mean nothing that a Muslim who had apparently recently turned to radical Islam and who blew people up had a video saved on Youtube called 'I will dedicate my life to Jihad'.

Just so people know this…
I think the father is far more complicit that he may let on.

Tamerlan/Tamerlane, the name he gave to his first son. It is the name of a genocidal mad man that liked to make pyramids out of skulls of the people he massacred.

He often referred to himself as “the sword of isalm”

Tamerlane (8 April 1336 – 18 February 1405) was a Turkic conqueror in the 14th century. His real name is Tīmūr bin Taraghay Barlas. He is also known by these names: Temur, Taimur, Timur Lenk, Timur-i Leng, Temur-e Lang, Amir Timur, Aqsaq Timur, and Tamburlaine.

simple.wikipedia.org...

It is alleged that Timur's tomb was inscribed with the words, "When I rise from the dead, the world shall tremble."

en.wikipedia.org...

A person in that area does not give his first born son that name by happenstance. His father is a dyed in the wool, true blood, jihadist through and through.

And it would only stand to reason that his father would educate him in accordance with what he hoped his son would become.

Originally posted by darkbake
reply to post by andy1972

 

Yeah, it totally came at a bad time. I thought this whole Muslim thing was behind us.

It never was and never will be. Ever. Not as long as the CIA are in operation.

reply to post by ollncasino

Forgive me. At first I thought you were joking, then I thought you were serious, now I have no idea.

25% of young American Muslims think it's a fine idea to blow up civilians, and themselves, with bombs? These would have to be targeted, intended attacks.

Out of four young Muslims walking down the street, there's one that is fine with the idea of blowing your head off?

Why in the world would we let any more young Muslims into the country under those conditions? Why wouldn't we investigate every single one? Is there any other group that has that percentage of members who want to kill Americans? And if there is, I'd be willing to bet the FBI has an informant in every one of that group's meetings.

And how many young Muslims are there in the US? Pew says there are 1.8 million Muslims aged 18 or older in the US, and 36% are 18-29. Take a quarter of that number, and you're left with 162,000 young American Muslim adults who can really groove to the idea of blowing civilians up. It may be time to find those people. Even the feared Aryan Brotherhood has no more than 20,000 members in the US, and most of those are in jail.

And our numbers are very low compared to those in Europe.

Unless I've missed your point completely, in which case I'd be glad to hear from you.

maybe maybe not
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this really looks like
drill baby drill

pics showing drill


thanks to MYKAH

Originally posted by Mykah
Hello ATS community.

This is the stuff they don't want us to see. Please share this information with everyone you know.
(Warning, some of these pictures are gruesome at first glance. I assure you though that the blood and gore is all fake, I can prove it simply by informed medical observation.)

I've studied and graduated EMT-B certification with the state of Oregon. I've been on calls with heavy arterial bleeds, internal bleeding, fatalities, doa's. I am speaking from direct personal experience with severe trauma.

Here is a telling photograph of the amputee actor. I encourage readers to view the photo side by side with my analysis.


If you loose both your legs from explosive trauma half your blood is gone in one minute via the femoral arteries, youre dead after two. Bleeding out is worse with blunt force trauma (like shrapnel) because flesh is torn rather than cut, exposing more arterial and vascular tissue. The human body holds 5 to 6 LITERS of blood. If that really happened you would see blood EVERYWHERE, the guy would be drenched in it. You would also see what's called arterial spurtting from the injury. Most likely he would vomit after turning ghost white from shock, then turning delirious or passing out. As for the "tourniquet"...

Its not even tied off, its suspended via gravity, which would literally do nothing to an arterial sever. There's no pressure applied. There's no knott with a turn stick for leverage. You can clearly see a gap in the nonexistent wrap job on his left inner thigh (left anterior proximal for you experts) His hands have no blood on them. There's no blood on the ground. The color in his hands and lips shows good circulation.

This is an actor. This is staged. How did they pull it off though? I can show you.

Here in frame six on the left we see the the man with a hood setting up the fake leg wound prosthetics. His attention and hands are right there. The woman is acting as a shield covering what's happening.
Frame 6

Here in frame eight the prosthetics are in place. Amidst all this chaos seconds after the explosion the hooded man takes the time to put on his sunglasses which is a signal.
Frame 8

Here in frame nine with sunglasses now on the hooded man and the woman make eye contact, signal received.
Frame 9

In frame eleven after recieving the go signal the woman makes an open hand gesture the direction both of them are looking, signaling the staged injuries are in place for cameras. The prone amputee raises his left prosthetic injury into the air over the woman's shoulder. No blood is present. The bone is dry, no blood on his leg above the knee, no blood on the woman, no arterial spurt, nothing.
Frame 11

Here in frame fourteen the woman turns her head right but is still holding up that open palm signal with her left hand. The hooded man again busies himself pouring fake blood on the pavement behind the woman. The amputee has both fake injuries in the air now. There is still no blood on his legs, his skin above the injury is clean and dry.
Frame 14

Frame twenty, the fake blood and prosthetics are in place. The amputee gives an open hand gesture along with the woman to bring the cameras in. We're now twenty frames in and still not a drop of fresh blood from a double leg amputation. His legs are dry, the woman is dry and unscathed. Both are making the same hand gesture.
Frame 20

These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy. If your looking for a gunman look at the Army in the streets of Boston. Share this knowledge with everyone.

edit on 19-4-2013 by Mykah because: formatting

Originally posted by Tindalos2013

Originally posted by darkbake
reply to post by andy1972

 

Yeah, it totally came at a bad time. I thought this whole Muslim thing was behind us.

It never was and never will be. Ever. Not as long as the CIA are in operation.

You are displaying classic Western narcissistic tendencies in assuming that the West is all powerful and that Muslims are mere puppets of the West.

Muslim extremists, in reality, have their own agenda.

To assume otherwise is both naive and dangerous.

Was www.amazon.com... that one of the suspect's Amazon Wish List?

If so he was very interested in organized crime and fake IDS

Originally posted by charles1952

Unless I've missed your point completely, in which case I'd be glad to hear from you.

No you got my point.

No matter how hard one tries to present Islam as a religion of peace, one irrefutable fact remains. There are a lot of violent Muslims who support blowing people up, killing people for insulting Islam and executing people for leaving Islam.

It's hard to shine a tu*d, but some members on this forum never cease trying.