Good bye Baroness Thatcher - Farewell Britain ...

reply to post by charles1952


Yes - I agree, she was a world leader of renown she was a one off. Love her or hate her, the world will be less without her IMO.
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The Sun provided what they believe are her 15 most famous quotes. Good or bad, they describe a strong woman leader.

1) Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren’t.

2) If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman.

3) I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end.

4) To wear your heart on your sleeve isn’t a very good plan; you should wear it inside, where it functions best.

5) It is not the creation of wealth that is wrong, but the love of money for its own sake.

6) To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches.

7) I’ve got a woman’s ability to stick to a job and get on with it when everyone else walks off and leaves it.

8) To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.

9) I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.

10) There is no such thing as Society. There are individual men and women, and there are families.

11) If my critics saw me walking over the Thames they would say it was because I couldn’t swim.

12) Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.

13) We want a society where people are free to make choices, to make mistakes, to be generous and compassionate. This is what we mean by a moral society; not a society where the state is responsible for everything, and no one is responsible for the state.

14) You need quite good shock absorbers and a sense of humour to be the Prime Minister’s child.

15) “I don’t mind how much my ministers talk, as long as they do what I say.”

The Sun - Thatcher Quotes

reply to post by charles1952


Quote number two,I saw on a jokes site with a little addition at the end.
2) If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman."Maggie,make me a sandwich."

Helen did you grow up during her time? how old were you when she left? did her policies effect any of your family to the point a whole one side of your family was put out of work within a couple of months?
I refuse to jump for joy because she was someones Mum but I will not lose any sleep that she has passed away.

Ignoring the divisive nature of Thatcher for a moment I have to agree that people are generally becoming very mean spirited and nasty, but then I have always thought something deeply dark lies under the skin of this nation.. the divides the establishment have managed (on all sides) to maintain will always ensure we are at each others throats than standing by each others sides.

On a plus note, I can not imagine any nation wanting to invade our nation given that they would have the headache of trying to manage the divisions, rivalries and squabbling that permeate our Isles

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by charles1952

 

Yes - I agree, she was a world leader of renown she was a one off. Love her or hate her, the world will be less without her IMO.
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edit on 8-4-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)

Nope it will not be , lets face it, allot of social problems we see 2day were caused by her , why do you think people are celebrating, because we have no compassion?

Nonsense it is because we watched a broken generation ( our fathers,friends, good people) out of work made redundent and predominently in the North, (these people turned to drink) she had a personal vendeta against liverpool it seems! In Fife where i have lived they are re-oppening the mines digging out the concrete must be costing millions... the town near by is nearly a ghost town with 2 pubs, 30 drunks and some local youths in and out of prison welcome to thatchers Britain! Educate yourself before defending such a monster this is just 1 of many ways in which she ruined lives...

The only time I have ever seen my father at a low point in his life was during her leadership.

She almost ruined this country.

She could have avoided the Argentine war, but was more interested in her own power.

Family, friends and others were in a bad way because of her.

I do not condone wishing death upon anyone, for her however, I will not shed a tear.

Here is an interesting article

I wont quote the whole article as it is against the T&C, so here is a few points, I urge those with little knowledge of the woman to read further.

She decimated our basic industries of coal and steel. Shipbuilding virtually disappeared, along with much of heavy engineering. She tried to destroy our free trade unions through repressive legislation, and damn well near succeeded.

She branded miners fighting for their jobs and communities as “the enemy within”, a foul slur on decent working people and their families for which she will never be forgiven.

She made mass unemployment respectable, and used it as a tool of government. The dole queues were “a price worth paying” under her regime – once described as “an elected dictatorship” by one of her own ministers.

She created a new underclass of jobless men, took away their status as breadwinner in the home and forced millions of women back into the workplace so that families could make ends meet. If she was a women’s champion, I am Meryl Streep.

She sold our basic utilities – gas, water, electricity and telephones – and prices soared. She flogged off the buses and railways, and fares went through the roof.

She sold off the council houses and built no new ones, so there are now more than two million families on housing waiting lists.

She enthroned the profit motive, and unleashed the spivs and speculators in the City of London. She surrendered economic policy to the mysterious dark forces of “the market”, which led UK plc into one recession after another that led to the mess where we are today.

She imposed the hated poll tax on the nation, first in Scotland where she made the Tories unelectable for more than a generation. She then thrust it down the throats of the English, prompting the worst riots in London since the disturbances of the early eighties.

She took us into war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands , when her popularity ratings were rock bottom, to save an isolated British colony - and her own political face.

EDIT: As for the "she was a mother" etc argument, I suggest you look up her son Mark Thatcher, he isn't exactly a great person either.

Originally posted by HelenConway
I grew up in a country that had respect, decorum and honour - no more. Today a former Prime Minister has died but so has the last remnants of the old country.

Actually no, she died, the people she effected so negatively still live. Again, sweeping working-class people under the rug in favour of rose-tinted view of the world. Its offensive.

Rejoicing at the death of a former Prime Minister, jumping for joy in the streets just shows that Britain has a nasty undercurrent of small minded people with a narrow focus.

And yet, it seems almost illegal to have feelings about this woman that arent of Awe and Sadness of her passing. People need to greive her death properly and you might not like how they go about it but MANY people have been waiting to celebrate her passing for many years.

She rejoiced in killing the unions - the only voice of the working class - Now they cant even rejoice in her death without being labelled as disrespectful and dishonourable scum.

Champagne was flowing tonight as the Left took to the streets to celebrate the death of former Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.
More than 300 people gathered in Glasgow city centre, while over 100 revellers amassed on the streets of Brixton, south London.
Within hours of her death, people had taken to micro blogging sites to organise the gatherings.
In Glasgow's George Square anti-capitalist campaigners shouted from loudspeakers, 'Maggie, Maggie, Maggie' as the crowd replied 'dead, dead, dead.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

This country has been overtaken by people who really do not think for themselves but repeat parrot like unsubstantiated phrases like..

‘’ Thatcher is to blame [add anything here]’’

Is this because they are uninformed ? unthinking?

No, its because they're still angry that they had their livelihoods snatched away from them and got left with nothing. Their lives torn apart and not an ounce of care given. Companies now richer than ever selling us our basic needs back to us at an inflated price (Gas, water etc)
Private transport, means where paying out of our arse to make it from A to B.
De-regulation of the banks, housing shortages, the list goes on and on.

We are all entitled to our views and I did not agree with all of Mrs Thatcher’s policies, but to dance on her grave is vile. It shows the extent to which Britain has turned into a cold, nasty, small minded place.

People dont just become cold and nasty. When you really look at it, she's just getting a taste of her own medicine upon death.

Britain is in terminal decline – not because of Mrs Thatcher but because it is populated with unthinking, cruel people who are brainwashed and media saturated. The media any media does the thinking for them these days.

This is absolutely untrue. You seem to be complaining about the types of people living in britain but forget that these types of people were created by abandonment of their well-being from government.

Jobs, liveliyhoods, purpose and security where taken from many millions of people and now those same people are suppose to either be sad or have no opinion on this woman's death because its "Dis-respectful"

People are getting tired of being sh!tted on.

Helen I have starred and flagged you OP

I understand your rant completely, its not about the ladies politics, its about the blatant lack of respect for anyone festering in our once great nation
dont give up Helen

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Helen did you grow up during her time? how old were you when she left? did her policies effect any of your family to the point a whole one side of your family was put out of work within a couple of months?
I refuse to jump for joy because she was someones Mum but I will not lose any sleep that she has passed away.

LOL How old where you then

reply to post by HelenConway


You obviously dont think you were affected by the vile creature. But i will tell you that you most definitely are. The entire cultural landscape and social ethos was changed forever by her and her government.I suppose if your a southerner it may have washed over you, but i will tell you it was chaos in the north. My parents town was almost overnight turned into a ghost town. Their little house halved in value while the shops and businesses closed around them. There was NO work. People turned to petty crime and violence to make ends meet.
Brother turned against brother ,as the factories and pitts and the local steel works closed. It was hell for honest hardworking folk. So you are either too young to remember, or a southerner who would not give a # anyway.
As is the typical southern norm.

reply to post by HelenConway

Britain is in terminal decline – not because of Mrs Thatcher but because it is populated with unthinking, cruel people who are brainwashed and media saturated. The media any media does the thinking for them these days.

Oh the irony of an op complaining of the populace being brainwashed by the meedja that uses quotations from the Daily Mail to support their argument.

I really don't know where you're coming from - you think the UK has become a nasty place - and yet cannot see that Thatcher's views i.e. 'there is no such thing as society', or 'greed is good' and the consequences of those views outstripping anything you've read or witnessed since Thatcher's passing (in terms of disrespecting our fellow citizens.)

Isn't a step for a hint to you that a workmate you describe as 'mild mannered and gentle' is not expressing the respect that, in your opinion, is due - that perhaps it is your opinion and reaction that is way off the mark and not hers.

And while you claim that this thread is not about politics - it would appear from your posts - that it actually is when you want it to be.

Yes - I agree, she was a world leader of renown she was a one off. Love her or hate her, the world will be less without her IMO.

Your post relates to the demise of the British people how?

reply to post by christina-66


Amen sister.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


I think that is quite true - maybe it has always been so but because we are extra stressed these days it is more obvious.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Helen did you grow up during her time? how old were you when she left? did her policies effect any of your family to the point a whole one side of your family was put out of work within a couple of months?
I refuse to jump for joy because she was someones Mum but I will not lose any sleep that she has passed away.

Boy Monkey - I am a child of Thatcher - I was a child in the 70s and a teenager in the 80s.

The point of this thread is not to discuss the pros and cons and sometime difficult consequences of the govts policies.

I think that it is respectful to show respect for the deceased, particularly when they have been a great leader of Britain, love them or hate them or her.

She is to have a full funeral with military honours - the Queen is to attend she does not usually attend PMs funerals [ apart from Churchill who had a state funeral]. Nancy Reagan and Russian presidents are going to attend apparently - she was a world figure.

I think dancing on her grave is distasteful and vile - it lacks dignity and decorum.

But hey that is my opinion. The reason I quoted the Daily Mail is because it shows some pictures of students laughing and dancing and celebrating in a vulgar nasty manner.

It is not appropriate but hey welcome to Bri'ern in the 21st Century...

reply to post by HelenConway


Me too about the same age then, I can remember all my Fathers brothers getting layed off and how much it destroyed their lives.
I will not dance or celebrate anyone dying but like I said I will not shed any tears for her.

I know I'm more or less just repeating what I posted yesterday in a couple of threads but.......

I thought I'd be the first to start celebrating Thatcher's passing but to be honest I see nothing positive coming out of that and to be honest it just doesn't feel right to celebrate anyone's death - that has nothing to do with politics or anything other than my own personal code of ethics, (which often goes awry but that's another matter altogether).
It leaves a bit of a bad taste watching people partying solely because an 87 year old woman has died.

But I certainly understand why many feel the need to do so - we are still paying the price for many of her policies today.
I think many in the Tory heartlands and the more affluent find it hard to appreciate the level of misery she caused for millions of British people.

Whilst we must seek to understand her policies and all the circumstances around them etc none of that will change the reality of what we face today.

I genuinely feel that all those out partying and celebrating would be better served focussing their attention on the current rabble we have in government who seem intent on driving us back to the Victorian times that Thatcher openly so admired and longed for.

Perhaps this could become a rallying point for those of us who oppose Cameron and his continuation of her policies.
But I doubt it.

Having said that I was at least as dismayed and to be honest taken aback at the glorification offered her on MSM.
It was remeniscent of the state controlled media coverage after the deaths of Brezhnev, Andropov, Franco, Mao etc.
And any open criticism of Thatcher was clearly verboten and had to be intimated at rather than being clearly stated.

That Thatcher was a remarkable woman is beyond doubt and the world is a different place for her being here.
And that needs to be acknowledged.
But I certainly won't shed any tears at her passing, neither will I be joining in any celebratory partying.
And the most certain thing of all is I won't buy into the veneration and idolisation of her.

I don't condone celebrating anyone's death...but as far as keep hearing the comment or insinuation that it is only socially acceptable to have respect for the dead I am sorry I don't agree. Respect is not earned automatically at one's death bed.

Whilst I don't condone the behaviour exhibited by some...I CAN understand where these feeling's come from. Many many people were deeply affected during the Thatcher year's and for some, painful memories still exist. Everybody deal's with pain and emotion differently and I personally won't be judging those who deal with it in a different way then I do.

I think that people need to accept that although she helped many people, she down right crippled just as many more and the pain and suffering felt that had a knock on affect for many year's as never left a lot of families and communities. As for those commenting who aren't even old enough to have been around during her leadership, I feel that many still have a right to an opinion and their emotion's surrounding her are still valid. Many of those in the younger generation feel the pain and anger passed down to them by their parent's account of their own suffering.

Some of this probably would have been avoided if the coverage of her legacy wasn't so one sided....I'm sure that has just added fresh salt to old wound's for many people and account's for some of the raw anger.
Another thing to consider.....a lot of people suffered humiliation, depression and breakdown's ( I witnessed lot's of it in my community including within my own family so I am talking from experience not tabloid's) and I think many right now may be reliving some of those experience's and it does worry me....especially as for many there is not much to look forward to right now either.

Farewell Britain? I actually agree.....because if it as come to people blaming each other for the demise of this country then we will never demand the real change needed. If people are becoming more heartless and angry and dissociated as a society then we should be asking ourselves why...and NOT putting this at the root cause of all this countries ill's!

Got to say I find it highly insensitive and more than just a bit hypocritical that the taxpayers are the one's footing the bill for Thatcher's funeral including all the security etc.
This comes on top of the cost of recalling parliament for nothing more than voicing admiration for Thatcher.

It's an insult to the millions who suffered during her term in office and the millions who are suffering in these 'austere' times where drastic cuts are apparently imperative and every penny counts.

Her children are millionaires, why can't they foot the bill just like the rest of us when we have to bury a parent?

reply to post by Freeborn


Don't get me started on her bloomin son SIR Mark Thatcher...idiot who got lost in the desert and got taxpayers to find him, coup starter..loan shark banned from the USA and many other countries Grrrrr.
I agree I bet he is laughing his socks off he doesn't have to dip into his 60 million pound fortune to pay for a funeral.


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