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Originally posted by Darce
reply to post by Hopechest
If they can't victimize you with a bazooka or an AR-15 or a double barrel shotgun or a musket they will do it with machetes.
Sorry, I thought that was self explanatory.
The discussion about firearms prohibition and self defense go hand in hand, always. That is one of the many uses of firearms, self defense.
Originally posted by Darce
reply to post by Hopechest
Yes i agree, that's why law abiding citizens need access to small arms like the AR-15 with standard STANAG 30 round magazines because someday it might be you VS a dozen machete wielding maniacs.
Originally posted by Sek82
Indeed Frazzle, more and more often, the consensus seems to be that it isn't about gun control as you say, but people control. We don't have a gun problem per say, but a people problem. More specifically, a race problem. Since that is a touchy subject, I will only provide a graphic to illustrate just how much.
This attempt to erode away at the Constitution is showing some positive economic benefits, though.
The firearms industry is doing better than ever, and job are being created nationwide in attempts to meet customer demand.
One solution I never hear mentioned is increasing firearms education and safety awareness, something that can save lives, that politicians and pundits have never mentioned. Who can argue that educating Americans on how to be more responsible gun owners is not a common sense approach?
But forget all of that for a moment, let's take a look at Chicago.
Following the gun bans there, murders committed with handguns actually rose 40%.
Why is that?
How is it that areas where firearms are banned are seeing increases in related crime, rather than decreasing?
And finally, how can we suggest following this trend which has proven to have the opposite desired effect?
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Darce
reply to post by Hopechest
Yes i agree, that's why law abiding citizens need access to small arms like the AR-15 with standard STANAG 30 round magazines because someday it might be you VS a dozen machete wielding maniacs.
Honestly, I don't know anyone trained in firearms that would actually use an AR-15 for home defense. The weapon is bulky and sprays bullets everywhere. A simple 9mm or shotgun is far more qualified to do the job of close quarter fighting.
About the only thing we ever found a use for the AR-15 that some other gun wasn't more suited for was clearing out rattlesnake nests where you have multiple snakes you need dead quickly. Other than that there is always a better gun to use.
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Darce
reply to post by Hopechest
Yes i agree, that's why law abiding citizens need access to small arms like the AR-15 with standard STANAG 30 round magazines because someday it might be you VS a dozen machete wielding maniacs.
Honestly, I don't know anyone trained in firearms that would actually use an AR-15 for home defense. The weapon is bulky and sprays bullets everywhere. A simple 9mm or shotgun is far more qualified to do the job of close quarter fighting.
About the only thing we ever found a use for the AR-15 that some other gun wasn't more suited for was clearing out rattlesnake nests where you have multiple snakes you need dead quickly. Other than that there is always a better gun to use.
Tracking homicides by police is hard, since most departments do such a good job at covering down for each other, and many of their killings end up ruled justifiable.
Your point about it being difficult to find statistics on law enforcement homicides is alarming.
It highlights a problem with a lack of cross-agency accountability in our nation. Big time. Corruption in law enforcement does exist around this country due to a lack of it.
Originally posted by frazzle
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Darce
reply to post by Hopechest
Yes i agree, that's why law abiding citizens need access to small arms like the AR-15 with standard STANAG 30 round magazines because someday it might be you VS a dozen machete wielding maniacs.
Honestly, I don't know anyone trained in firearms that would actually use an AR-15 for home defense. The weapon is bulky and sprays bullets everywhere. A simple 9mm or shotgun is far more qualified to do the job of close quarter fighting.
About the only thing we ever found a use for the AR-15 that some other gun wasn't more suited for was clearing out rattlesnake nests where you have multiple snakes you need dead quickly. Other than that there is always a better gun to use.
Setting aside the fact that Darce didn't say anything specific about "home defense", are you suggesting that your inability to understand why anyone would want an AR-15 should be the deciding factor in setting national policy? No offense but you seem to have a very high opinion of your opinion.
Originally posted by Darce
reply to post by Hopechest
Haha! Sounds like fun. Unfortunately we can't hunt with ARs in Canada as they are restricted by name and therefore can only be used at RCMP approved ranges.
I would agree with you that there are plenty of options for home defense, semi auto 5.56/.223 caliber carbines being only one of them. If you're interested here is a little video on the subject by a well known youtube channel called hickok45:
Honestly he never claims to be an "expert", but he does bring up some good points as to why the AR is a very capable defensive platform.
I can't figure out the embed sorry Youtube Link:
Home Defense: Double Barrel Shotgun vs AR15edit on 2/4/13 by Darce because: (no reason given)
The actual type of firearm is irrelevant.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Hopechest
The actual type of firearm is irrelevant.
Then you agree with Joe Biden who also says gun types are irrelevant and that they won't stop until they get them all.
How long is it going to take before our caretakers get all the illicit drugs out of our system? Oh wait, they've got our soldiers protecting the heroin poppies over in Afghanistan as we speak, don't they. That's because they care about you.