Official - Leadership vote at 130pm WST - GILLARD to face off for PM!

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by Agit8dChop

 

I hope Ruddy gets back in.

When the Fukushima incident happened Rudd was the only one to bother asking the awkward questions like what danger this poses to us, and what danger this poses to other countries!!! Gillard defended JAPAN...instead of backing her foreign minister. Yes, politics are ugly.

I want the person we voted for in power. And if we don't like him I want to vote in someone who we do like.

I agree light, we should have the person we voted for. But the reality is we now have gillard. so it's now time to think long and hard on the next election.

If we don't get behind her, then we have abbott as the alternative. imo, time for ALL of those labor voters to wake up and realise that if we don't rally behind what we have, then we will be handing the next election to a revamped work choices, a repealing of subsidies and a return to the days where the battlers of our society will be the liberal's whipping post. (After a near fatal accident, my beautiful lady is permanently disabled (wasn't her choice) and I decided to stopchasing the dollar and look after her to make sure she has constant care -my choice. During the "golden" days (ha ha)of little jonny where he and costello bragged of how they had money to spare, we and every other disabled pensioner or carer were doing it tough.)

How I hated watching them gloat.

abbot and his cronies will return us to those days. He has vowed to repeal a gaggle of laws but has NOT given how he will still fund many of the reforms we now have. short answer, they will hit the most vulnerable, those who have the least.

My suggestion to anyone who voted labor and are spitting the dummy over losing rudd. Wake up, stop "adding" to the problem just like the fools behind the scenes down in Canberra. If you allow abbott to gain power be it on your head. YOU are now about to become the problem. Just look at what you now have in Queensland. You have shown your protest, you have got liberal govt in many states and look where they are at now.

It's time to get in behind the "party" and get over your dummy spit

Rudd has called a conference at 4.15 pm, in about 5 mins from time of me writing.

Wonder if he will announce his own resignation in light of everyone else who has (so far)???

Originally posted by surrealist
Rudd has called a conference at 4.15 pm, in about 5 mins from time of me writing.

Wonder if he will announce his own resignation in light of everyone else who has (so far)???

Resign from what? he is not in the cabinet....

CHICKEN KEV: RUDD FALLS INTO LINE BREAKING NEWS: Kevin Rudd has pledged his allegiance to Prime Minister Julia Gillard at a press conference in Brisbane. He declared he would not challenge for the leadership again Read more: www.news.com.au...

reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe


Im a long time Labor voter, used to be a union rep in my younger years too.

Saw the dodgy/dirty and shifty side of union politics and how they operate.

This is the same attitude that goes up the union ladder into the Labor party members that majority of now herald from a union root of some sort.

After the total stuff ups of the Rudd ministry and its policies to the the shafting of his position by Gillard and the Labor henchmen, my mind has been changed for good.

I voted against Howard in my younger years not totally understanding what he was doing and the hows and why's.

Now older and more mature and understanding, his government, although difficult at time was a much more professional outfit than the Gillard camp can ever hope to be.

What disgusts me more than the current Gillard Party is the fact that the Governor General wont get involved and dissolve this stalemate and call an election so the people can decide.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by surrealist
Rudd has called a conference at 4.15 pm, in about 5 mins from time of me writing.

Wonder if he will announce his own resignation in light of everyone else who has (so far)???

Resign from what? he is not in the cabinet....

CHICKEN KEV: RUDD FALLS INTO LINE BREAKING NEWS: Kevin Rudd has pledged his allegiance to Prime Minister Julia Gillard at a press conference in Brisbane. He declared he would not challenge for the leadership again Read more: www.news.com.au...

Ah yeah, he resigned as Foreign Affairs minister last year.

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well with that attitude, if it flows through the rest of oz, alp will be decimated at the sept election and most of the faction members will lose their seets. Trouble will be, the lnp will have open slather to really put the knife into the less well off. Hopefully by then I'll have sold off my bush block and got rid of most of my debt. Trouble is, I can see the lnp reducing the pension so even finding rates let alone money for food will be a hard ask.

But go for it, hope you and any other dummy spitter get what they deserve.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by surrealist
Rudd has called a conference at 4.15 pm, in about 5 mins from time of me writing.

Wonder if he will announce his own resignation in light of everyone else who has (so far)???

Resign from what? he is not in the cabinet....

CHICKEN KEV: RUDD FALLS INTO LINE BREAKING NEWS: Kevin Rudd has pledged his allegiance to Prime Minister Julia Gillard at a press conference in Brisbane. He declared he would not challenge for the leadership again Read more: www.news.com.au...

Well according to Laurie Oakes, Rudd certainly can resign, resign from politics entirely and not contest his own seat at the next election.

It is time Kevin Rudd resigned

Rudd's failure to contest the leadership ballot, after all the efforts of his henchmen to bring it about and their big talk about the numbers in caucus, made him look ridiculous. It is impossible to imagine any future bring-back-Rudd speculation being taken seriously. Or, for that matter, many MPs sticking their necks out for him. He has no political future, even in opposition.

His next step should be to announce that he will not contest his seat of Griffith in the September 14 poll.In fact, senior ALP figures are likely to suggest that to him, possibly within days.

A Rudd decision to quit politics would neutralise Tony Abbott's claim of a continuing Labor civil war. But another argument might appeal to him more. He says he wants to play a role in preventing Abbott and the Coalition cruising into government. As a retiring MP, he would be able to campaign widely for Labor in the run-up to the election without looking like a threat to Gillard.

I'm starting to wonder if there has been an agenda the whole time with the end goal of decimating the Labor Party with all these events and policy stuff ups, so there is only one Party left that is in any position to govern,......Liberal Party.

As part of a wider war against democracy........yeah its drawing a long bow, but the last election that John Howard lost that brought in the current era of Labor Leadership (if you can call it that), didn't seem right, Labor seemed to win too easily against him, and he seemed to not fight the election anywhere near as hard as his previous 3 election victories.

I made comments back them (while still a Labor voter) that he seemed to throw in the towel.....did he know something? Was he tapped on the shoulder to enable this "Labor destruction" to come in and take place?

This all comes down to comments like "the labor party is split down the middle". But I just read a vote result that asked "should the libs back the malaysia solution" and the results were around 53% no and 47% yes at the time I put my vote in. so looks to me like all of the negative garbage that the libs have carried on with over the past few years are also doing a pretty good job of "splitting the country down the middle" imo, the libs are playing a very dangerous game with all of us.
If I can make a serious suggestion to all those disillusioned ex labor people out there, think long and hard on what we will end up with if Abbott and his gloating gaggle eg sophie m, ms bishop, mr corman and the like actually do get into power.
Look at what they are promising, repealing many amazing benefits but providing no way of funding such things as 18000 tax free threshold, school kids bonus, and other needed benefits. What can I see happening?

The same thing that happened when howard and his callous (sp?) treasurer were running the show. Gloating and bragging how well off Australia is while pensioners and not so rich Aussies are suffering.

so please! think long and hard about letting the libs gain power.

reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe


Gee, hard to see who you vote for!

Howard ran the economy like a Swiss watch. Had a balance sheet that had Australia out of debt and a lot put aside for a rainy day.

One year into the current lot, we were back in the Red, piggy bank was smashed, and all sorts of charges, levies and taxes skyrocketed. Wasting money on stupid schemes to burn down peoples houses, literally.

You have very one sided view of things, that's OK, just trying to convince people who think will be a trifle difficult.

P

Originally posted by greatfriendbadfoe
think long and hard on what we will end up with if Abbott

When that happens the country will only get better.

so please! think long and hard about letting the libs gain power.

Then vote to get labor and their lies and corruption out!

reply to post by pheonix358

Got to agree with that.
Even though nobody voted for him he did bring in some good reforms.

Current example - boat people.
Look how many people are being fleeced to buy illegal passage to Australia now, as opposed to then.

Don't get me wrong, refugee status is an important consideration for any prospering nation.

My main problem with those seeking to queue jump and make a beeline for Australia is;

There are too many countries between here and - fill in the blanks - that can provide said refugee status.

We have become known again as a soft touch and desperate people are selling all, at the behest of people smugglers, to gain an instant access to Australia';s generous accord.

We are a big country and reasonably prosperous. Yet we also have an ageing population; who have done the
hard yards to make Oz. what it is.

We should look after our own first. The aged are seriously ignored.

Not to mention the considerable criminal element that has been allowed to migrate through the family allowed policies.

Time for a massive re-think - I think.

Let's get back to the " new Australia policy" Multiculturalism has caused division and violence.

( much of which has been imported from the mother country )

Sorry - going off on a tangent. Gives self an upper-cut ... breaths.

only way for Labor to survive is to split the party in two.

yes, it will be 3 or 4 terms of liberal power until they ever have any chance at getting back in but there is clearly 2 sides of the Labor team.

One side wants to ditch the unionised past and move forward without nunion influence and a lean to the right like what Rudd and Crean want, and there is the reckless unionised "hang onto the past" group of left leaning socialists like Gillard and her crew who lean heavily against the greens to maintain power.

I wouldnt be surprised if after the next election when Labor is decimated to the extent it has never been before historically that the party will split.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
only way for Labor to survive is to split the party in two.

yes, it will be 3 or 4 terms of liberal power until they ever have any chance at getting back in but there is clearly 2 sides of the Labor team.

One side wants to ditch the unionised past and move forward without nunion influence and a lean to the right like what Rudd and Crean want, and there is the reckless unionised "hang onto the past" group of left leaning socialists like Gillard and her crew who lean heavily against the greens to maintain power.

I wouldnt be surprised if after the next election when Labor is decimated to the extent it has never been before historically that the party will split.

Can't see it happening any other way, they are in self destruct mode ... especially with Rudd not willing to partake
in another leadership debacle ... enough egg for this bloke, I reckon.

The smarmy party has run out of legitimate smarm.

They need some time in opposition to re-think the party policies and forego the egos.

Tony Abbott cannot separate his religion from his politics.
He is known to be the biggest liar and breaker of promises in the business and thinks nothing of it.
Remove him and replace him with a decent man and the Labour Party can kiss their future goodbye as they would be wiped from the face of the earth.
The trouble has been that the Labour Party have no clout. They hit the Mining Companies with a tax on profits so the Mining Companies just marked down all their assets so that they could not possibly show a profit (on paper) and therefore paid absolutely nothing towards the billions of dollars tax forecast by the Gillard Government.
Julia Gillard is without doubt the worst Prime Minister of the worst Labour Government that Australia has ever seen and come September (if not before) we will have seen the last of these incompetent self-centred idiots.
I have voted Labour all my life (I am 74 years of age by the way) but wouldn't vote for any of these Political Parties as none of them represent the average Australian.
We have fully qualified people here who are out of work yet we bring in foreign workers to fill jobs.
Five years ago I was putting 20 dollars a week away to cover my utility bills (Gas/Electricity/Water) and now I have to put 65 dollars per week away.
We are having "Smart Meters" forced upon us (I am one who have refused on Medical Grounds) which, according to people who have had them installed, have resulted in their Electric Bills almost doubling.
Meanwhile, Ms Gillard will lead the Labour Party to their biggest ever defeat and will retire with her multi-million dollar superannuation singing "I did it My Way" whilst giving all and sundry the 'big finger'!

Originally posted by OzTiger
Tony Abbott cannot separate his religion from his politics.
He is known to be the biggest liar and breaker of promises in the business

Wrong, that would be Juliar and the labor party.... carbon tax, grocery watch, fuel watch, cash for clunkers etc etc - all lies by labor.

Julia Gillard is without doubt the worst Prime Minister of the worst Labour Government that Australia has ever seen

No, that would have been Whitlam.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by OzTiger
Tony Abbott cannot separate his religion from his politics.
He is known to be the biggest liar and breaker of promises in the business

Wrong, that would be Juliar and the labor party.... carbon tax, grocery watch, fuel watch, cash for clunkers etc etc - all lies by labor.

Julia Gillard is without doubt the worst Prime Minister of the worst Labour Government that Australia has ever seen

No, that would have been Whitlam.

Sorry. Google www.phonytonyabbott.com/lies-and.../lies-deceptions - and Julia(r) pales into insignificance.

Ms Gillard makes Whitlam look like a saint compared to her incompetence.

reply to post by hellobruce


c'mon bruth, wouldn't menzies be in there with a chance? What a top bloke, sells our pig iron to japan during WW2 so they could make their ships to fight us

reply to post by OzTiger


74, wow, you've made it a long way down the road. Hence you deserve the respect of your opinions as many young pups on here still have to make it. They are speaking from a place of "bullet proof" and "they have all the answers. At least you're speaking with experience as your authority.

But that being said, I guess you must have a nice nest egg if you can't see the pain caused to pensioners during the howard era.

Originally posted by greatfriendbadfoe
What a top bloke, sells our pig iron to japan during WW2 so they could make their ships to fight us

Why tell lies like that? He never sold it to the Japanese during the war.