Fresh evidence is revealed today about how MI6 and the CIA were told through secret channels by Saddam Hussein's foreign minister and his head of intelligence that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction.
Originally posted by neo96
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by neo96
Why are you posting that video?
You realise Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11?
It seems you're just scraping around for other reasons to justify the Iraq invasion now.
Unless you're meaning something else?
Yeah "sponsors" of terrorists who "hate" Amerika and have the ability to manufacture wmds has nothing to do with "terrorism".
Iraq who was mentioned in that speech, as was Iran as with North Korea
Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
If you followed the war news back in the day this isn't new news. Iraq gave them all the information about how they had destroyed the weapons after the first gulf war, with a room full of back-up documents. Hussein never thought the U.S. would attack him, because he had provided all the information asked for. The American and British administrations were corrupt and unprincipled, and about a hundred other names, including war criminals. History will not treat them kindly.
If you followed the war news back in the day this isn't new news.
A special BBC Panorama programme tonight will reveal how British and US intelligence agencies were informed by top sources months before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD programme, and that the information was not passed to subsequent inquiries.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
Interesting information to add to the stack..but I have a question. Why would they have believed these guys? They were in a position they were about to lose if we invaded (We sacked the WHOLE Government and authority structure and that was a predictable move for us). Aside from the fact, other "high level sources" who the public later learned were fabricating little trolls ...also said they did exist. Also Saddam's henchmen saying it. Who to believe?
I supported the invasion at the time because I believed Bush and TPTB must have more information. There must be plenty in the "Classified" stack the public simply wasn't seeing to make it all logical and right. In discovering over the years since how unfounded that hope and faith had been, I'll be the first to nominate Cheney in particular, but Bush as well, for a seat in a Witness chair and their very own Defendants table. Not international (This is America...not the UN.. Global Courts can stick it) but U.S. accounting for what happened.
^^^ having said that, so someone doesn't claim I'm some shill for Bush or whatever... This just seems opportunistic of the BBC. We invaded Iraq, ostensibly, on the intelligence and data derived by insiders of the Saddam regime...but then we were supposed to call it off because OTHER insiders of the same regime said it wasn't so? Err...
There is fire beneath the smoke for people like the BBC to find..Indeed. I think this is fluff and poor journalism though. Just my opinion.
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I'm curious for more information on how the statue was staged? I recall the investigation run on that because Bush and others were horrified at the symbolism of the US flag in the face of such P.C. priorities that it seemed to matter more than securing the Baghdad Museums or other locations of true treasure being looted at that very moment.
July 3, 2004 – An internal Army study of the war in Iraq has confirmed that the infamous toppling of the statue of Saddam Hussein in Firdos Square in central Baghdad on April 9, 2003 was stage-managed by American troops and not a spontaneous reaction by Iraqis. According to the study, a Marine colonel first decided to topple the statue, and an Army psychological operations unit turned the event into a propaganda moment. At one point during the stunt Marines draped the statue of Saddam Hussein with an American flag. When the crowd reacted negatively to that gesture, the US flag was replaced with a pre-1990 Iraqi flag, missing the words "God is Great," by a sergeant from the psychological operations unit. The Marines brought in cheering Iraqi children in order to make the scene appear authentic, the study said. Allegations that the event was staged were made in April of last year, mostly by opponents of the war, but were ignored or ridiculed by the US government and most visible media outlets.
Originally posted by PatriotGames2
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
The US government is the worst in some people's eyes because they are supposed to be the standard of good and righteousness in the world, or so we are told. We are the richest and most successful nation to have ever graced this earth and therefore are held to higher standards. We have the ability to wage total war and as many great philosophers point out, just because you have the capacity to wage war it does not give you the right to do so.
A true patriot is continuously weary of his government and I have no qualms exposing and shining a light on our governments quest towards hegemony and their imperialistic tendencies. We are supposed to be held to a higher standard. That's what tickles me about the whole "military tribunal" thing.. Although somewhat off topic, what is it the Constitution says? That our rights are God given. Not given to us by our government. People want to use dangerously broad strokes and prosecute others for "terrorism" and deny them rights because they are not US citizens. In my eyes, the bad guys win when we change our ways and do not uphold the rule of law. We violate the sanctity of human rights when we should be the champion of such things. I could go on and on about the faults of our justice system but it's still the best we've ever had, there is no reason to subject these "enemy combatants" to different procedures except for when the government wants to hide things from its people and throw people in jail indefinitely based on faulty evidence.
As far as Saddam and Iraq, we do hold a responsibility. A big one. We helped install him as dictator. We backed him in his war with Iran. We looked the other way when he committed atrocities when it had nothing to do with us. We sold him the chemical and biological weapons he used on the Kurds and his own people.
THAT is the truth of politics in this day and age. The other poster (tinkerbell) is right when they say governments don't give a damn about right and wrong, they care about expediency. What is right for us at the time. Which is such a corrupt and backward way of thinking it has helped hasten our downfall in the eyes of the international community, and even many of us at home.
We are the bastion of freedom and the force of good and it's high time we actually start acting like it, instead of just employing the rhetoric yet as far as action goes we do the complete opposite.
There are words for this sort of thing... Corruption, hypocrisy, etc.
"The uniformity of opinion molded by the media is reinforced through the skillfully orchestrated mass emotions of nationalism and patriotism, which paint all dissidents as "soft" or "unpatriotic." The "patriotic" citizen, plagued by fear of job losses and possible terrorist attacks, unfailingly supports widespread surveillance and the militarized state. There is no questioning of the $1 trillion spent each year on defense. Military and intelligence agencies are held above government, as if somehow they are not part of the government. The most powerful instruments of state control effectively have no public oversight. We, as imperial citizens, are taught to be contemptuous of government bureaucracy, yet we stand like sheep before Homeland Security agents in airports and are mute when Congress permits our private correspondence and conversations to be monitored and archived. We endure more state control than at any time in U.S. history.
And yet the civic, patriotic, and political language we use to describe ourselves remains unchanged. We pay fealty to the same national symbols and iconography. We find our collective identity in the same national myths. We continue to deify the founding fathers. But the America we celebrate is an illusion. It does not exist."
- Chris Hedgesedit on 18-3-2013 by PatriotGames2 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Chrysalis
And how many puppets around here are still parroting the anti french propaganda ?
They rather believe the lies of their govs and keep on spreading the lies. Where the french were indeed right in saying this invasion wasnt warranted.