Strange World

Something is wrong with this world. Something is deeply wrong with the society that we live in. As our knowledge grows; as our understanding of this world and our universe grows; as we are becoming technologically more advanced - we are increasingly suffering. We are suffering both physically and psychologically. Lot of members of our species are dying of malnutrition and diseases that are both treatable and preventable. Many of us are dying of stress related diseases, stress that is caused by many factors, but the main factor that lies beneath it all is fear. Fear related to self preservation.

So why is that? How is it possible? How come that instead of flourishing as a species, with rise of our knowledge and our technological advancement, we are suffering more and more?

The main reason as I can see it is that on this planet almost nothing is for free. In order to eat, drink, dress, rest, sleep, you need to have money. Money is something that you cannot use by itself. You cannot eat it, drink it, you cannot sleep on eat (well actually you can but it's not very comfortable). Although if you are cold you can burn it and warm up for a short while, so you can actually find some actual use for it although not much. It's value is symbolical, we use it as a system for exchange of goods and products. But lets move along.

In order to get money you have to "work" or inherit it, or "invest it". But since most of the people acquire money by "working" let's stick with that. So in order to "work" you need to have a "job". A "job" is kind of position where you can either produce something or provide some services. Now since all products and services are for human consumption we should be very happy and satisfied, right? But it's not so. Interestingly many of us are working more and more so we could provide ever more products and services for ourselves and our fellow humans. But instead of becoming happier in that process, we are becoming more miserable. That is very interesting, don't you think? But I have something else on my mind.

Since we are technologically advancing there is less need for any kind of "work" and from this point it's just going to continue that way. As we technologically advance, we make machines and computers that are more capable of making products that we need and providing us services that we need. Less need for human labor. That should be good news, right? Machines and computers can do some boring, repetitive and dull work so we could spend more time with people we love, doing things that we like (painting, hiking, dancing, whatever). But not so, not in the system we live. Less work in this society means less food, less clothes, less energy, less everything. Imagine if you were an extraterrestrial and if you just landed on this planet, wouldn't you think this way? Just think about it.

Also, all that talk about "job creation" is utter nonsense. Not to mention that we already have capability of producing products for at least two planets like Earth. That's where our programming trough our education, our belief system, all kind of advertisements kicks in - to boost our consumption to maximum levels. So that this system we live can continue to be in place unchanged, as long as it can.

I think that when you can identify the problem that finding a solution should be easy. Although in this case I'm not so sure... Well it would be if majority of the population becomes aware of the problem. Which we all know will never happen... So what do you think, is there a solution?

reply to post by alomaha


On the other hand, everything is as it should be.

You couldnt be more spot on but there are different versions of reality (universes) where this is not the case. These can be viewed in your dreams. Ever have a dream where there was no such thing as money and the world was at peace? That place does exist, unfortunately, you dont have the luxury of experiencing it on an every day basis because you are the you created in this weird version of reality. Sucks for all of us but on the bright side when you die you might be born into the version of you that lives where the world is the way it should be.

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Originally posted by alomaha

We are suffering both physically and psychologically.....

....and intellectually.

This recent technological boost has significantly decreased our brain activity. We are way too busy. 'Thinking' takes too long, and is a complete waste of time. There are just so many other far more important things that need to be done. Such as Tweeting, Facebook, and stalking celebrities.

How could I possibly concentrate on the future, when I am this worried about Justin Bieber. I don't want the people of tomorrow to be ok. I just want Bieber to be ok.






[color=727272]obvious sarcasm

Yes and imagine a reverse type of world where instead of glorifying characters like bieber and kardashian on the front page of the news and paying them top dollar for their (relatively easy) services, we glorified the hardest workers and laborers who make our society beautiful and amazing. Imagine going on yahoo news and on the front page we seen stories of military heroes or construction geniuses on their instead of biebers daily routine. ridiculous and sad but this is the reality we experience in this particular realm.

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So wait a second, then how come you are here with me stuck in this lousy reality instead of enjoying that other, beautiful version of reality? Or are you writing me from that other reality just to tease me? If that's so, that really isn't fair! How come that I always end up on loosing side of reality?

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I have no choice man this is the one God designated for us. I really have no idea what his intentions are but im fairly positive he created different versions of me. Your imagination is an indication of the fact that there are infinite possibilities that can happen in infinite different places. If I can imagine a world where lollipops grow out of the ground then I know that world exists because if it didnt, why would I be able to dream it up? I think our dreams are just small glimpses of what your other you's are experiencing in different realms. Like a phone call from them saying whats up? They have dreams of your world too. Get what im saying?

Funny, but I have been saying a similar thing, more-or-less, to anyone who'll listen to me over the last few weeks; which is, if we were to advance to a certain point technologically speaking and this meant less jobs, how would we live?

For example, globally we produce enough food to feed every man woman and child. There should be no hunger. But, the way our economies work, if food isn't paid for, the supermarkets or restaurants will generally throw perfectly edible food away. We have houses sitting empty because some people own multiple properties whilst others are homeless.

So, no job, no ability to participate in society, no matter how educated or hard working you are. Of course, we aren't there yet in terms of job shortages (though try telling that to someone out of work today) but we aren't there yet in terms of advancements.

Therefore, at a certain level of technological advancement I see two possible outcomes. We stay as we are and only a few benefit whilst the rest get left behind, or we change the system in favour of something more socialist in nature (true socialism, and not something masquerading as such - as we have seen up til now) and we lose the need for money as a form of exchange. If all our basic needs are then met, we can concentrate on the social aspects of our being and grow collectively in a more spiritually orientated way.

However, maybe we don't all deserve a free ride to Utopia? What do you think?

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define how we would get into position of "deserving" things that God created us needing? Just being born alone should be deserving of food and shelter.

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Yes I agree with you, but what does just that Bieber guy has to do with technological advancement and misery on this planet? Well, I guess we can place him in that misery department, although I think that he is more product of brainwashing than cause for suffering. I guess he could be both if you are forced to watch him.

While this reality may seem like a terrible, torturous place, it does not have to be so. The perception of the universe boils down to the individual. Our society is not completely terrible. There is no rule or requirement that our world should be as it is, because our world and culture is created by ourselves. We have simply let those infatuated with power and greed create this modern society. All things are impermanent, however, and this is merely a phase. It could last for twenty more years, two hundred more years, or a thousand more years, but it will not last forever, even if it causes the human species to disappear from this universe as a result.

Focusing on the "bad" aspects of this society will not help fix them. Seeing the good, and using that as a personal catalyst to spread as much kindness and wisdom as you can, that will help fix them. It may seem cliche, but as long as there is one person who can grasp the idea of kindness and act upon it, all is not lost. The great part is that there are still many people who have their hearts filled with kindness.

"Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared."

Material goods, however, do - when those become scarce, so too will the cultures that worship them, but kindness and happiness will still be there, ripe for cultivating. That is the light of human existence, and I think it is very important to be always mindful of that.

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Disagree entirely.

Yes life can be happy and fun when you are fortunate enough (Go to disneyland? Vacations?). These are not material things, they are the things that make humans thrive and love there existence! When these things are only reserved to a select few through the use of green paper, the majority of the world experiences misery. You can "be happy with what you have" but that only goes to a certain extent when you reach the peak of boredom and questioning your reason for living. What significance do we have? Other than to gather resources through working for those in power? Kindness is a beautiful thing but its overshadowed by greed in this particular reality. We should all wake up everyday with no worries or stress, no questions as to whether your going to be able to eat a filling meal that day. We dream of having fun so why cant we when we wake up? You can see the sadness in most peoples eyes, how can you deny this?

Originally posted by BrokenCircles
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Originally posted by alomaha

We are suffering both physically and psychologically.....

....and intellectually.

This recent technological boost has significantly decreased our brain activity. We are way too busy. 'Thinking' takes too long, and is a complete waste of time. There are just so many other far more important things that need to be done. Such as Tweeting, Facebook, and stalking celebrities.

How could I possibly concentrate on the future, when I am this worried about Justin Bieber. I don't want the people of tomorrow to be ok. I just want Bieber to be ok.






[color=727272]obvious sarcasm

edit on 3/8/13 by BrokenCircles because: (no reason given)

Okay, can't resist a tiny bit of light-hearted humour, in the form of some good-natured observational sexism. So, is it just a coincidence that all this dumbing down of the news, the rise of the cult of celebrity and the shallow mindedness of modern society has coincided with women entering the workplace?

Just kidding around though.

Bieber is ok right?

Originally posted by FlesyhTwonk
Therefore, at a certain level of technological advancement I see two possible outcomes. We stay as we are and only a few benefit whilst the rest get left behind,

Do you really think that those that you call "the rest", which is pretty soon going to become the majority, is going to quietly sit around waiting to die of starvation?

On the other hand I am happy that somebody understood what I was talking about.

Originally posted by BROB51
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define how we would get into position of "deserving" things that God created us needing? Just being born alone should be deserving of food and shelter.

Not sure I follow you. Do you mean we do deserve food and shelter or we don't?

What I meant by my question was maybe we don't deserve Utopia if we can't manifest it ourselves.

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We are born, thus, we deserve the basic essentials of living. Food and shelter. Utopia is something we can strive for (and personally I feel we should be born into but unfortunately thats not the chase)

Originally posted by alomaha

Originally posted by FlesyhTwonk
Therefore, at a certain level of technological advancement I see two possible outcomes. We stay as we are and only a few benefit whilst the rest get left behind,

Do you really think that those that you call "the rest", which is pretty soon going to become the majority, is going to quietly sit around waiting to die of starvation?

No, I don't, but I didn't say we would die of starvation and I said I saw two outcomes. So maybe it won't come to that. Besides, I am talking about an advanced society that doesn't share its fruits with all vs one that does.

Originally posted by BROB51
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Disagree entirely.

Yes life can be happy and fun when you are fortunate enough (Go to disneyland? Vacations?). These are not material things, they are the things that make humans thrive and love there existence! When these things are only reserved to a select few through the use of green paper, the majority of the world experiences misery. You can "be happy with what you have" but that only goes to a certain extent when you reach the peak of boredom and questioning your reason for living. What significance do we have? Other than to gather resources through working for those in power? Kindness is a beautiful thing but its overshadowed by greed in this particular reality. We should all wake up everyday with no worries or stress, no questions as to whether your going to be able to eat a filling meal that day. We dream of having fun so why cant we when we wake up? You can see the sadness in most peoples eyes, how can you deny this?

Beautiful post! Yes, you are spot on: Too much sadness in people eyes.
Problem is that people cannot identify true cause of their misery...

Great post. It seems to me with greater population numbers, there is far more apathy towards our fellow human beings.

People don't like to talk about peaceable means of population control. Until we reduce ourselves, there are going to be more and more people suffering, starving, dieing of preventable diseases (as you said).

Technology was supposed to free us. Instead, it's caused us great harm to fend for ourselves.

We need a new paradigm for our new world. A world that is changing faster than ever.

Wow, you are so spot on.
And also wow..this is very long.
So read a bit and see if it's interesting.
Won't hurt my feelings if not.

I was just listening to Manly P Halls'
Initiation in the Great Pyramid. And guess what?
He agrees with you on many points. We have tremendous
technical know-how (although still a bit short of constructing a Great Pyramid replica haha)
But our spiritual,cultural & metaphysical souls are starving and weak.

The Ancient Egyptians we're as advanced with their spiritual work,
as they were at building Pyramids. Understanding even the little that I do,
(their Religion is very complicated) but It is
also remarkable. And why?

Well for one, like you said... "Fear"
.
Except the Citizens of Egypt, were free of fear.
Or certainly more free of fear than we could concieve .
And this was because for thousands of years, Preists & Scholars of Astronomical, Spiritual
and Metaphysical studies compared glyphs and felt like they had learned a few things.

Back to the citizen religion.
This citizen had their death at a initiation ceremony.
And though they "died", they lived.

Through time and teaching, the initiate learns that their soul is immortal.
So, whats to fear? They learned they were unfolding spiritually just as they should.
And Because the Cosmos, Music and Geometry were all connected by ratios . So were you.
Your spirit was evolving and growing just as everything does.
As above so below in all things.

It couldn't be any other way. No actual Hell afterwards;
except what your soul already chose to be next
for its increase of Enlightenment.

No Evil waiting at every juncture.
Less time for appeasing Gods & more celebrating them.

So as an immortal and in this vast scale of time,
if you are born penny less and leg less, it was really
a minuscule nanosecond...well in the grand scheme.
But the spiritual growth for this experience, was huge.

Now if I could only live like this..nope
too scared still.