Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile, page 2


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reply posted on 4-3-2013 @ 11:12 AM by jibeho
I think the lines are blurring between DHS and the military.

From January 2012
US Marine Corps System Command (USMC) has awarded an $880m delivery contract to Navistar Defense for the upgrade of its fleet of 2,717 International MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles.

The delivery order also includes the provision of engineering changes, supplies and services. Under the contract, the company will retrofit the vehicles with the new rolling chassis solution in addition to DXM independent suspension, a MaxxForce 9.3 engine, a 570-amp alternator and a driveline to further enhance the vehicle's off-road capability.

Navistar Defense president Archie Massicotte said: "Our rolling chassis solution allows us to leverage our unique vehicle design and replace an older chassis with a new, highly mobile independent suspension chassis. During all this we keep the armoured capsule intact while creating commonality through the entire MaxxPro fleet."

MaxxPro, a mine-resistant ambush protected (MRAP) armoured fighting vehicle, has been designed to withstand improvised explosive device (IED) attacks, ambushes, ballistic arms fire and mine blasts as well as survive in nuclear, biological and chemical environments.

Work on the contract will be carried out at Navistar's West Point assembly facility in Mississippi, US, with immediate effect and is scheduled to be completed in October 2013. Around 9,000 MaxxPro vehicles have been fielded by the company to date and it expects to add important vehicle capabilities and enhancements for its entire fleet of 32,000 vehicles.


www.naval-technology.com...

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reply posted on 4-3-2013 @ 11:12 AM by Neopan100
reply to post by MDDoxs


I understand what you are saying..and I have never understood the way 'washington' does things..I mean to me it seems like it would be like this--2 years ago, I saw a pair of Burberry boots that cost 500$..I set aside money each payday to pay for the boots..now this month I find out Im losing my house because I failed to make a payment..lets say the payment is 500$..but since I already 'allocated' the funds for the boots I better buy them..and hope I don't lose my house in the end..It just doesn't make sense to me...Maybe it's more complicated than that but I always feel like this is the way I see all of those 'budgets' washington puts out.


reply posted on 4-3-2013 @ 11:15 AM by Logmafia
reply to post by Tw0Sides


And they think their puny little cars are going to be enough to get our guns? The American spirit is more powerful than they realize.



reply posted on 4-3-2013 @ 12:02 PM by inverslyproportional
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by inverslyproportional


It is more so for the earth buried mine/explosive. The Vehicle has a V shaped undercarriage, and will dissipate the energy traveling upwards towards the vehicle.

The cage on the sides is there to dissipate the energy from side blasts and break up rounds as well.

But, simple way to take out the armored turtle? Turn it on its belly. A conventional Semi-Truck will have enough force, from a side impact, to turn the vehicle over.



The cage isnt to disapate the explosive energy, it is to cause standoff against rpg rounds. Rpgs use a shaped charge that when pd ( point detonated, as in expolding on contact) shhots a molten jet of copper that burns through any known material, but when detonated away from the vehichke the explosion wont be abke to force it through, it will simply splash on the side.

Abrahms dont have these because they have reactive armor, that explodes the plates out and away taking the molten copper with it, this is what is meant by reactive armor. It reacts to protect the vehichle.

I was trained on the weaknesses of these armors, as defeating them was my job, light armor is nothing, thats why they need V shaped undercarriages and safety cages, the armor isnt strong enough for most modern threats, so they had to augment it to make it useful, it is by no means havy reactive armors equivalent.

The semi idea is spot on, as well as using existing infrastructure against it, for example, almost all city streets in America are covering a giant hollow honey comb, you drop the tunnels, you drop the vehichle, as their shear weight is more tan enough once the support beams and walls are weakened.

I see this as nothing but intimidation, as many already know the weaknesses, and could defeat it if itnbecame necessary.

Just another wasted cargo ship full of money really.


reply posted on 4-3-2013 @ 12:42 PM by macman
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I knew that about the RPGs, just didn't recall it at the time.

From my understanding, it is used to break up small arms rounds as well.

There are several ways to defeat vehicles of this nature. I am sure it will be discussed here shortly.



reply posted on 4-3-2013 @ 12:44 PM by macman
reply to post by jibeho


It is air assisted, but if the vehicle is sitting on top of the door, it will not open.


reply posted on 4-3-2013 @ 12:50 PM by jibeho
reply to post by macman


I think that there are two doors each with a backup system...

Here is the 360 view of the MRAP
www.navistardefense.com...
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reply posted on 4-3-2013 @ 12:57 PM by th3dudeabides
reply to post by mikell


Detroit will make a good testing ground for a war on "We the People".


reply posted on 4-3-2013 @ 01:19 PM by RevRay
You may not be able to take out the US Military in the wide world cause they got everything needed to defeat an enemy no matter how long it takes. What they don't have is the will to kill another American in American streets. That's why they could never win out against a United American front. The boys and girls sitting in those things have to believe that if they miss who they're aiming at they may hit MOM and POP.
I know that the most dangerous thing in the World is an 18 yr old given a gun and permission to kill. But to kill who?........ An Enemy not a neighbor or relative.
Eventually some will shoot, but thenthey take the chance of being shot by one of their own if they know the person did nothing wrong. Afterall their not from another country.
They may of had a nut job in the ranks at Ken State who did shoot American Kids. So remember that Fear rules the day and most are cowards in the face of a gun. And the Military is well brainwashed to possibly shoot Americans.
May I remind you that we did fight each other over State Rights and 600,000 died here in America the land that claims God is over them.
This time in a revolt of these times there are to many unknowns and ex-military to think about.
As for me, if someone comes to the door for me I will go with my finger on the trigger of a gun. How bout you'll?
Equipment means nothing only committment to a cause means anything anyway.
Just look at Syria, that's what commitment means.
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