In my last thread, Fallen Angels 1 - Rumi the Sufi,
we learned many aspects of
Angelic life that are not found in the Bible. From this, we can assume Rumi had access to some forms of knowledge that we do not possess today. It
is well known that there are documents found in the Eastern Esoteric Tradition that we do no possess in the West. Even with Rumi, the majority of his
writing is still untranslated. What sources did he draw from? It is obvious he knew the Bible and the truth of Christ. This much is clear by
examining his knowledge of Adam.
For this thread, I will work my way through the Book of Enoch. You can also see a previous thread I did on this topic here:
First, it needs to be made clear that there are fallen angels and there are Elect Angels. Rumi may have covered aspects of Elect Angels and their
fondness for mankind. Enoch definitely covers fallen angels and their effect on mankind. According to Rumi, the Angels were called back to heaven.
According to Enoch, the fallen were locked in chains within the Earth.
1.1 These are the words of the blessing of Enoch; according to which he
blessed the chosen and righteous who must be present on the day of
distress, which is appointed, for the removal of all the wicked and impious.
1.2 And Enoch began his story and said: -
In the first chapter, Enoch points out that the righteous MUST be on Earth to see the judgment of the fallen. I won't cover this here, but the fallen
beings were given 70 generations before God judges them. This was near the time that Enoch was taken by God. At some point, Enoch warned them of
this coming judgment. It is my firm belief that the Mayan long count calenders were counting down from this revelation. Enoch was 950 after Adam. A
generation is 72 years (Precession divided by 360). 70 X 72 is 5040. Mankind was given 6000 years before judgment. Since this is OUR judgment as
well, we know that WE very well may be the fallen. One thing is for sure. There are both wicked and elect present in this place. We have the choice
to repent in the water. This is the purpose for baptism (Immersion).
16.3 "You were in Heaven but its secrets had not yet been revealed to you;
and a worthless mystery you knew. This you made known to women, in
the hardness of your hearts. And through this mystery the women and the
men cause evil to increase on the Earth."
16.4 Say to them therefore: "You will not have peace."
Rumi also reveals this fact. There is a Mystery held by God that was fully taught to Adam. It was only partially taught to the Angels. Enoch calls
it a worthless mystery.
Enoch also learned of this mystery.
For I know the mysteries of the Holy Ones,
for the Lord showed them to me and made them known to me, and I read
them in the Tablets of Heaven.
Compare this to Rumi saying that Adam was instructed from the same tablets of heaven.
102.9 And I say to you, you sinners: “You are content to eat and drink, and
strip men naked, and steal, and sin, and acquire possessions, and see good
102.10 But you saw the righteous, how their end was peace, for no wrong
was found in them until the day of their death.”
102.11 “But they were destroyed and became as though they had not been
and their souls went down to Sheol in distress.”
103.1 And now I swear to you, the righteous, by His Great Glory and His
Honour, and by His Magnificent Sovereignty, and by His Majesty: - I
swear to you that I understand this mystery.
103.2 And I have read the Tablets of Heaven and seen the writing of the
Holy Ones. And I found written and engraved in it, concerning them, that
all good, and joy, and honour, have been made ready, and written down, for
the spirits of those who died in righteousness.
103.3 And much good will be given to you in recompense for your toil and
that your lot will be more excellent than the lot of the living.
103.4 And the spirits of you who have died in righteousness will live, and
your spirits will rejoice and be glad, and the memory of them will remain in
front of the Great One for all the generations of eternity. Therefore do not
fear their abuse.
Examine the nature of the Elect and that of the fallen. Even the righteous went to hell in distress. Compare this to Rumi asking about the physical
nature of Angels. He finds that they are made from fire. Enoch shows us that the fallen are locked in the center of the Earth. The mystery is that
a redeemer comes to open the gates of hell and allow souls to once again rise. Follow this to the pages of the Bible where Jesus has the keys to the
abyss. One thing is made clear by Enoch. The righteous and wicked will rise together on the last day. They will then be revealed as they are. One
group will fall back to hell. The other will rise to peace and safety.
Again, we find the purpose of being in the water between heaven and hell. Water is our baptism into life. Immersion is our own involution into the
material so we can rise to new life above in the Spirit. It is clear here that many will choose to sink further toward hell.
10.4 And further the Lord said to Raphael: "Bind Azazel by his hands and
his feet and throw him into the darkness. And split open the desert, which
is in Dudael, and throw him there.
10.5 And throw on him jagged and sharp stones and cover him with
darkness. And let him stay there forever. And cover his face so that he
may not see the light.
10.6 And so that, on the Great Day of Judgment, he may be hurled into the
10.7 And restore the Earth which the Angels have ruined. And announce
the restoration of the Earth. For I shall restore the Earth so that not all the
sons of men shall be destroyed because of the knowledge which the
Watchers made known and taught to their sons.
10.8 And the whole Earth has been ruined by the teaching of the works of
Azazel; and against him write: ALL SIN."
10.9 And the Lord said to Gabriel: “Proceed against the bastards, and the
reprobates, and against the sons of the fornicators. And destroy the sons of
the fornicators, and the sons of the Watchers, from amongst men. And
send them out, and send them against one another, and let them destroy
themselves in battle; for they will not have length of days.
10.10 And they will petition you, but the petitioners will gain nothing in
respect of them, for they hope for eternal life, and that each of them will
live life for five hundred years."
10.11 And the Lord said to Michael: "Go, inform Semyaza, and the others
with him, who have associated with the women to corrupt themselves with
them in all their uncleanness.
10.12 When all their sons kill each other, and when they see the destruction
of their loved ones, bind them for seventy generations, under the hills of the
earth, until the day of their judgment and of their consummation, until the
judgment, which is for all eternity, is accomplished
In total, there were 200 fallen Angels. Before this time, we know that Satan also fell to Earth. As Rumi suggests, Satan is desire. The Bible
refers the the Sons of the fallen as a cloud of evil. The same word used for cloud is the same word we derive Nephilim into our language.
Within the pages of Enoch, we are also informed that this is the primary reason for the flood that destroyed the Earth. We also know that some of the
sons remained after the flood. Numbers indicates that Nephilim were still present on the Earth during the days of David. Many people say that this
is the reason David had to kill off so many nations in the land of Canaan.
I will cut this thread short at this point. For more, see the link at the top. Also, read the book of Enoch. There are many more clues to this
mystery found there. Since I have already covered so much territory in previous threads, this is all i will include in this part of the series on
fallen Angels. In threads to come, I will return to reference both Rumi and Enoch.
What can we see from both Rumi and Enoch? For certain, there is more going on here than we are told. There are mysteries to this that need to be
investigated. As our own history draws to a close after these last 6000 years, the answers will be revealed. This much we can be sure of.
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