reply to post by NOTurTypical
Are you addressing me in the third person?
And now you're trying to rationalize your fallacy. Simply address what people actually say.
Alright then, let's play ball. All observing members and guests of ATS, here is the original analogy:
Simple analogy. A state has a mandatory sentence of 5 years for armed robbery and the judge sentences a man to jail for 5 years. Is the judge
to blame or the person who committed armed robbery?
This was posted by NOTurTypical, on page 5 of this thread, in response to this post by me -
Below is my version of his analogy, modified to reflect "God", who is playing the judge in his analogy. Are we all following along so far? I hope
so. It's not that complicated.
Simple response. In order for that analogy to be accurate, I'll take the liberty of adding a few details: That judge is no ordinary judge. He
knew the man intimately from birth to death long before he was born, and in fact designed every second of his life ahead of time. Meaning he knew
exactly when, why, and how that man would appear in his courtroom. Furthermore, at any time during the process, he had the full capability of changing
any and all variables he chose, giving him the power to prevent or allow that man's crime even before he had the opportunity to commit it. But it
doesn't end there! He had a hand in designing this man's character, so even the man's desire to commit the crime has its roots in the judge's own
being. If the judge had decided to make the man a righteous person, or even just a decent human being, the man would never have broken the law. So
if he has all of these options available to him, but in fact chose to give him all the temptations, weaknesses, and resources necessary to commit the
crime, then what about the judge?
The man committed the crime. But the judge engineered it. Who, in the minds of the ATS jury, is more guilty?
According to the Bible,  falls in line with "God" having designed every person who ever existed and ever will exist. This is why he is said to be
our father. He knows everything about us, because he is omniscient.  falls in line with his omnipotence. Because no conditions have ever been laid
on his omniscience and omnipotence, we will assume there are no limits.
At this point, the usual free will argument is thrown in. My response can be found in this post -
Please read it and take it into consideration.
 is a conclusion drawn from the Biblical assertion that "God" is the source of all things, both physical and nonphysical, and therefore is the
judge, jury, and executioner for all things both physical and nonphysical that have ever existed and will ever exist. Otherwise, he is not the highest
of high. Would a CEO allow another man to walk in and make changes to his business? No. So why would "God"?
And  is the logical conclusion of all preceding details.
Now that I've broken down and explained every element of this completely obvious analogy, what is your response, NOTurTypical? Again, the judge
engineered the crime because he is the almighty. He planned every second of every space of existence. He is the king of kings. Nothing happens without
his approval. He planned the crime before the criminal even thought of it, and the criminal fell for it because the judge (aka "God") wanted him
So who is more guilty? The puppet or the mastermind? Maybe now you'll stop dodging, but I won't hold my breath.